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You know what time it is, THAT'S RIGHT. WOD REVISION TIME BBY
This layered existence of Gods consensus is Turtles all the way down, and as such is High 1-A+ (Type 1);
As this nameless, transcend place beyond even the Void, the Supernal represents the border between The Essential Divinity and everything else and as such constitutes High 1-A+ (Type 2)
TL;DR, new WoD revision.
Introduction:
I can't keep getting away with it. Each new revision and WoD just gets bigger, crazy that. 3 more years of research since the last thread and barely anything has changed except the way we interpret things.The Changes:
Functionally, there will be no additional changes to the Powers and abilities of the current profiles, we'll get around to fixing those soon(TM). Some profiles will be reworked once this has passed, but that will be shown at another time, for now, let's focus on the revision.The Tapestry:
We've found quite a lot since last time, and with those new additions, the Tapestry as a whole now constitutes 1-A+;The Infinite Tapestry
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Guide to the Traditions
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Guide to the Traditions
- The Tapestry contains everything, anything that has been thought of is contained within it. This takes into account null sets and the pure non-existence that follows/measures it. See Platonic Realm for more:
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Mage The Ascension (20th Anniversary Edition)
- All that is Real is in the Tapestry, yet is not more Real than the Tellurian. It is the expression of "Everything" and its (inter)connections/dependencies.
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Lore of the Clans
- The Tapestry is the face of "Infinity", and encompasses everything that "is".
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Akashic Brotherhood (1994)
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- The Tapestry has infinite superior layers of existence. These layers become less and less grounded in nature as all "things" in existence no longer have any materialistic composition to their forms, just the pure/true essence of their being. This includes the very principles and foundations of the law of non-contradiction, breaking it apart and disregarding it entirely.
The Umbra:
The Realm of Ghosts, Spirits and other Spiritual undesirables, the Umbra has been vastly expanded upon and while it's no longer the big 0 it used to be, it has climbed it's way back to being High 1-AUmbra: The Velvet Shadow 1999
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The Low Umbra
Beyond the Barriers (The Book of Worlds)
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Wraith the Oblivion (2nd Edition 1996)
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Wraith the Oblivion (20th Anniversary Edition)
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- The Low Umbra encompasses all afterlives humanity has/can ever dreamed of within layers upon layers upon layers upon layers endlessly (with each layer growing in all possible facets than the last whether it's scale, complexity or superiority), every (im)possible underworld and even heaven in philosophies and beliefs are contained within the Low Umbra, no matter how transcendental they are to each other. Eventually the distinction between each one breaks down entirely as it completely surpasses all forms of comprehension.
The Shadowlands
Wraith the Oblivion (2nd Edition 1996)
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- The Shadowlands is the closest Low Umbral realm to the Skinlands (more commonly known as the Tapestry). It is the corresponding reflection of the mundane world and all its empathic factors and memories.
The Tempest
Wraith the Oblivion (2nd Edition 1996)
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Wraith the Oblivion (The Sea of Shadows)
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The Dark Kingdoms
Oblivion (Mind's Eye Theatre)
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The Labyrinth and the "Void"
Orpheus (End Game)
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Mage The Ascension (20th Anniversary Edition)
- The Labyrinth is an infinite and eternal... labyrinth of everyone's worst fears and sufferings. It is without any form of "constant", ever-changing with no fashion of charting available at any time.
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- The Void[Note 1] is at the very center of celestial existence and mortality being the Low Umbra. A unification of unfathomable horror and nothingness but also the beacon of renewel and rebirth where new lives is given (non)form into mundane reality, the Tapestry.
Middle Umbra
Dream Zone
Umbra: The Velvet Shadow
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- The possibilities of accomplishments that anyone can achieve are as vast as what they can imagine themselves. One can challenge the literal impossible for valour and glory and shall succeed.
Near Dreaming
Dreams and Nightmares
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Beyond the Barriers (The Book of Worlds)
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Far Dreaming
Dreams and Nightmares
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Deep Dreaming
Dreams and Nightmares
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- The Dreamings are the entirety of the dreams of mankind and likely other sentient life. All contents and perceivability ever imaginable are present. The farther you go into the Dreamings, the deeper and primal archetypes of dreams within dreams within dreams appear.
The High Umbra
The Infinite Tapestry
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Vulgate
The Infinite Tapestry
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- The Vulgate, also known as Yesod by the Qabalans, is one of the "lowest" realms within the High Umbra. It incorporates the most easiest accessible concepts that the collective philosophy and mindsets of humanity and even other sentient species has thought of. It acts as a doorway to the micro-realms and domains that incorporate and interact with the simplest mental concepts (such as learning, the thought of the sky, etc.). That being said, these concepts being simple does not exclude them being inherently transcendent to the existential planes.
The Spires
Beyond the Barriers (The Book of Worlds)
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Mage The Ascension (20th Anniversary Edition)
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The Infinite Tapestry
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- The Spires are the ever-transcending realms connecting realms of the Vulgate. They are the result of many minds concentrating on the same notion, causing it to be elevated from the Vulgate into the higher realms. In order to climb throughout the Spires, one must meta-physically ascend themselves to a higher-self.
Platonic Realm
Void Engineers (Revised)
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Paradigm Explored: Number and Shape
- Many (non)existing realms among them would be the Ultimate Ensemble and Set Theory, with it encompassing all form of complexities including dimensions and cardinalities which even includes Absolute Infinity.
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- The Manifold Mountain showcases the never-ending hierarchy of mathematics and its effects gradually becoming more complex and grand. From 0-dimensional points to lines, planes, spheres to higher and higher and higher dimensional properties.
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- The Toposes are denizens (beings/entities) of the Platonic Realm representing the very nature of the mathematical concepts themselves with them also representing all alternate systems of logistics and calculations alongside their influence within reality. They may even be in a way greater than all of Set Theory itself, the very scaffolding of all mathematical logic and (sub)set hierarchies.
The Epiphamies
The Infinite Tapestry
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Beyond the Barriers (The Book of Worlds)
- The Epiphamies are more than just spaces or structures but rather the interconnected states of memories and beliefs themselves. All comprehensibility of the collective consciousness is confined within the Epiphamies.
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- The Epiphamies are at the very summit of the Spires and their infinite abstractive hierarchies. They embody complete abstractions and symbologies. They are utterly subjective in qualities and properties, not one individual can see them the same way.
Additional Information
Additionally, the Epiphamies are the very pinnacle of conceivable imagination. They are as boundless as whatever the consciousness can ever create or subject themselves to.
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The Etherspace
The Infinite Tapestry
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Mage The Ascension (20th Anniversary Edition)
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- The Etherspace reaches unfathomably beyond all preceding realms and structures in every single facet. Within it are the nine worlds corresponding to the nine spheres separated by Horizons which act as barriers even more potent than the Guantlet shielding the Umbra from the infinite mundane reality.
Horizon (Realms)
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Shard Realms
The Infinite Tapestry
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Mage The Ascension (20th Anniversary Edition)
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- The Shard Realms are the complete manifestations and embodiments of the Quintessential Spheres, which have their own Umbral reflections and abstract hierarchies.
Deep Umbra
The Infinite Tapestry
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Laws of the Wild (Revised)
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Umbra: The Velvet Shadow
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Werewolf The Apocalypse (20th Anniversary Edition)
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- The Deep Umbra is deep space, stretching out past all forms of infinity in every direction. Here, there is absolute nothingness within this sub-void however there are dynamic realms including the Outer Planets (Shard Realms) drifting along the black sea of space endlessly.
The Tellurian:
Capital E everything until it's not, the Tellurian has as much of everything as the Umbra and Tapestry can hold together, as it is the whole of both of them, as such, containing all Impossibility, possibility, pure metaphors and so on, the Tellurian is High 1-A+;Demon the Fallen (Core)
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Mage The Ascension (20th Anniversary Edition)
- There are "infinite", (il)logical-possible worlds of Reality, subsets of possibility that also takes into account null-sets within the Tapestry that never were, yet are. Even with the omnipotence paradox, with the multiple worlds it "resolves" those "problems".
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Mage The Ascension (Second Edition)
- The Tellurian is absolutely everything that ever was, is and ever will be as well as all that is/can-(not) be imagined. It completely transcends words and descriptions for its sheer magnitude.
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- Hopes, dreams, goals both natural and supernatural, possible and impossible are with the Tellurian. All understandings and forms of thought throughout all possible worlds that was, is and can be are the Tellurian.
The Consensus Hierarchy:
If this is all within the scope of Human, Superhuman and Inhuman understanding, then imagine what the Gods could think of! Well, the world we've just discussed is nothing more than a product of the God's understanding, building their own Consensus Hierarchy, the world we know is merely a lesser understanding held by Mages, and below even that is you and I, ordinary humans.This layered existence of Gods consensus is Turtles all the way down, and as such is High 1-A+ (Type 1);
Mage The Ascension (20th Anniversary Edition)
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- As they cannot perceive the mystical workings of this reality, as well as what lies further beyond it, the common masses are called "Sleepers," and in contrast, Mages who actively delve into this alien world are called "the Awakened." The key difference being that, while normal people think of the physical world as primary and discard their thoughts and daydreams as secondary, Mages see the latter as part of a deeper and "truer" reality, every bit as real, if not more so, than the physical one.
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Truth Beyond Paradox
- The "illusory reality", is the Tapestry, the universe that is woven into existence out of the infinite possibilities of the Umbra by the collective belief and thoughts of the masses, containing every possible concept that their minds are capable of grasping. The Technocracy refers to this sphere of existence as "conventional space," and as seen above, the Sons of Ether think of it using the metaphor of the Walls of Troy.
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- Much like Mages control the Consensus of the Sleepers, so too do the Gods control the Consensus of the Mages, and just like regular humans are "asleep" to the spiritual reality which Mages experience, Mages are also "asleep" to the world which the Gods experience, and the latter to something or someone even more unfathomable. As such, the Consensus is an all-encompassing hierarchy of beliefs that form illusory realities that victim are perfectly immersed in.
The Supernal:
Beyond the Abyss from which no intellection may penetrate, the furthermost point of all which is reflected in all things, from which is beyond naming, from which flow the manifold forms, where all things and forces of all the worlds come from and in the end to which they will return. All in One, One in All.As this nameless, transcend place beyond even the Void, the Supernal represents the border between The Essential Divinity and everything else and as such constitutes High 1-A+ (Type 2)
Book of the Wyrm (Second Edition)
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Chronicle of the Black Labyrinth
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The Conclusion, I hope
For the full in-depth explanation of everything, along with scans, sources and more, see the combined blog worked on by Myself and Apotheosis69 (nice).TL;DR, new WoD revision.
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Setsuna_tenma, Dark_Soul20189, Da3ggman
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