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Woody vs. Goku

In the Sephiroth match both have the exact same AP as they scale to the same thing, but here Woody has the AP advantage (At least at the start), then again.
 
Bobsican said:
In the Sephiroth match both have the exact same AP as they scale to the same thing, but here Woody has the AP advantage (At least at the start), then again.
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Which again gets mitigated by Kaioken.
 
Hst master said:
Soupywolf5 said:
The AP advantage argument still stands as at the beginning Gulkooo would be in base at a 6.5x AP disadvantage, and with Woody being so small (Putting all that strength into such a tiny point) Woody would likely one-shot anyway (Or come really close). The 20 meter starting distance doesn't matter due to the characters speed. And Golek likely wouldn't start with KKX10 against Woody due to him literally being a doll. And due to speed equalized Gokup wouldn't get the speed boost from Kaio-Ken
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And as I've said repeatedly, Namek Saga Goku is quick to use Kaioken, and can use it in critical condition, after having his body utterly screwed by X4 in the Saiyan Saga (His limit was x2) he was still able to move quickly and still use Kaioken. Same with getting beaten by Frieza. Woody would have to Blitz him to stop him from using Kaioken and Goku ultimately has
A. Experience with someone smaller than woody as Gregory is a firefly (or some type of bug whatever)

B. Far superior skill

C. If he doesn't take him seriously, yeet him.

D. A method to close the AP gap and be slightly stronger.

In which if I recall correctly, Sephiroth was winning against woody via skill alone and they were dead even ap wise.
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Quick enough to avoid being killed in 1-3 hits?

And pretty sure Sephiroth was also winning because lol-sword
 
Schnee One: "Sephiroth via skill"

It was via skill.

And yes, the dude barely had a fight with Ginyu and Vegeta and was using Kaioken. This is assuming Woody is able to hit him in the 1st place.
 
Hst master said:
Bobsican said:
In the Sephiroth match both have the exact same AP as they scale to the same thing, but here Woody has the AP advantage (At least at the start), then again.
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Which again gets mitigated by Kaioken.
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Which Grook wouldn't start with immediately against someone like Woody (Pretty sure he didn't even immediately start with it against Frieza)
 
And yes, the dude barely had a fight with Ginyu and Vegeta and was using Kaioken. This is assuming Woody is able to hit him in the 1st place.
Why wouldn't he be able to?
 
He was pointed out to have been using it already the entire time and was still getting ragdolled.

And again, yeeting amd far better skill.
 
Hst master said:
He was pointed out to have been using it already the entire time and was still getting ragdolled.
And again, yeeting and far better skill


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You uh... you alright there?

I've already pointed out that the yeeting wouldn't work (Also grabbing would be a physical attack that Woody's small size could help him avoid)
 
Hst master said:
Why wouldn't he be able to?
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Same reason, Sephiroth's beating him.
Sephiroth also has comparable AP that he doesn't have to activate, and a shiny sword (And I'm pretty sure that he's also human sized)
 
Karrot cake here has slightly superior AP that he has to activate (And saying the phrase gives Woody ample time to attack with the immense speed of the two and he's horribly outclassed without it), and skill
 
My space was sticking for a bit, sorry.

And I've pointed out why it would.

Goku is human sized as well(Unless you mean woody then no, we don't up his size), can have slightly higher ap via Kaioken, and his votes wasn't via a long sword. It was his skill with it. If you get a sword as long as that but don't know how to use it it's useless.
 
As I've pointed out repeatedly, Goku already has experience tagging tiny opponents with Gregory. Woody's size is far more a hinderance than a boon and is a far easier target than Gregory.
 
Except his small size could actually let him one-shot (As all the strength of his attacks are compressed into such a small area, and the gap between Woody's AP and one-shot territory being so small)
 
Soupywolf5 said:
Karrot cake here has slightly superior AP that he has to activate (And saying the phrase gives Woody ample time to attack with the immense speed of the two and he's horribly outclassed without it), and skill
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He...doesn't have to say the name, it's thought based. It's likeJotaro saying the World even though it's thought based. He uses it several times without even saying it, also speed's equal, he wouldn't be able to Blitz Goku even if that was the case. And people do that cuz anime
 
Soupywolf5 said:
Except his small size could actually let him one-shot (As all the strength of his attacks are compressed into such a small area, and the gap between Woody's AP and one-shot territory being so small)
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Not really. Woody would have to be propelling himself like a projectile to do that, not a simple hit.
 
Except he always does. Well he doesn't always say it but he does always start by saying it once before doing thought based KK
 
Hst master said:
Soupywolf5 said:
Except his small size could actually let him one-shot (As all the strength of his attacks are compressed into such a small area, and the gap between Woody's AP and one-shot territory being so small)
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Not really. Woody would have to be propelling himself like a projectile to do that, not a simple hit.
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Kind of like with a rocket
 
Except before all the thought-based less than a second KKs he said Kaio-Ken to activate it once earlier in the battle
 
Not really. Woody would have to be propelling himself like a projectile to do that, not a simple hit.
Kind of like with a rocket

An easily dodgable Rocket that he doesn't start with.

And no he didn't. He used it on the fly against Vegeta during the 1st half of their fight.
 
No I mean his normal x2. He soley has to push himself if the multipler is beyond his limit, which is also iffy when x4 was isntant.
 
Which came after he said it once at the beginning (And times 4 was definitely not instant unless I'm like looking at the wrong version or something)
 
Hst master said:
Yes bob I know, but he doesn't start with it. He's purely CQC outside of the rocket.
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With the Team Effort ability he can.

Also, he uses the rope on his back as a whip.
 
He literally activated x4 mid beam and instantly had enough power to overpower Vegeta. And you can seem him activate it without saying it several times through out the fight.
 
I'm not saying he can't activate KK without saying it but that he always starts by saying it once before going Plaid Thought based
 
Also do you have a link? As I genuinely can't tell if I'm just looking at the wrong version but I definitely seem to recall him saying KKx4
 
With the Team Effort ability he can.

Also, he uses the rope on his back as a whip.

And

A. The string isn't that far so that's useless

B. That's game mechanics.
 
Hst master said:
And

A. The string isn't that far so that's useless

B. That's game mechanics.
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Well, him not leading with it in character is another thing, but he totally can.
 
Also against Frieza, Goku (Screw it I'm just going to say his name) was constantly told about how much stronger he was and that Goku would never beat him. And when he had gotten there Frieza had already defeated everyone else, and then Frieza killed Vegeta. He doesn't have any of that against Woody
 
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