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Saiyans are named after Vegetables and can turn into Giant Monkeys when they look at the moon with their tails. His orignal name was Kakarot (Carrot).
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Woody vs. Goku
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Soupywolf5
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fixed itHst master said:
Soupywolf5
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He's just trying to avenge Larry
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Actually what is stopping anyone with normal lifting strength from just throwing him? He doesn't have the Lifting Strength to stop them and it is a form of BFR.
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Yeetus
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Anyone who's a normal human being solos so far as they throw him far enough into a lake or something.
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well we, normal humans, all get blitzed by him so no, anybody who's a normal human being gets solod by himHst master said:
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Yeah, and Woody has the durability to easily tank Goku's attacks
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That's counting on him being able to swim back and traverse his way back. Something that would take us 30 mins would take him hours or days.Bobsican said:
@Blue
Kaioken.
@Go
Speed Equalized of course
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It would take woody seconds to travel back because of his speed
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And will he use it? What happens if goku gets cocky and thinks woody is a slouch
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Bob, Central Park has a lake. And it's a toy. It's not in character for him to fight it in the 1st place. And like I said before, he's not above taking advantage of his opponents weaknesses. Oh and the argument that he's small so Goku can't hit him doesn't really hold much wait either considering Goku can hit Gregory who's even smaller.
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I never said it wasn't in character for woody to fight. And Woody's sole wincon is AP. Goku can...
-Counter AP with Kaioken
-Take advantage of his Range and stay in the air
-Or just Yeet him to parts unknown
-Counter AP with Kaioken
-Take advantage of his Range and stay in the air
-Or just Yeet him to parts unknown
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Yeah, but it has also been brought up that the Kaioken will drain Goku´s stamina fast, and Woody beign able to do noteworthy damage right at the start of the match further becomes an issue the later Goku uses it
But yeah, the rest stay as solid points, but it´s up to Goku to do them, as they aren´t really the first thing he will do (Especially the yeeting one).
But yeah, the rest stay as solid points, but it´s up to Goku to do them, as they aren´t really the first thing he will do (Especially the yeeting one).
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Goku can hit woody, but will Goku try?
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Repeating what I said to Souppy cuz that's the exact same argument.Hst master said:
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That's where the yeeting comes in.I'm Blue daba dee daba die said:
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Yeah, I'm officially voting Goku by Hst master's arguments.
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Goku for immensely superior stamina, range, skill, experience, versatility, lifting strength, and better flight.
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Which was said to be OOCHst master said:
Soupywolf5
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Also sleeping now can't wait to come back to see the votes flipped (Kingdom Hearts Woody isn't doing nearly as well as Toy Story Woody)
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That's where the yeeting comes in.
Which was said to be OOC
Except it's not. He's never even fought a toy before. And well, he's still a toy with below average lifting, he's not gonna do well in a tier where most have normal lifting or higher.
Which was said to be OOC
Except it's not. He's never even fought a toy before. And well, he's still a toy with below average lifting, he's not gonna do well in a tier where most have normal lifting or higher.
Soupywolf5
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All 12 of Woody's previous wins happened before he was a wall and then were removed because of it (With the only match that had stayed initially was 1 loss but then that was taken too)
Soupywolf5
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Also besides this thread I don't think any of KH Woody's Loss conditions are lifting strength
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Looking at his matches he either
A. Got AP stomped
B. Never finished the match.
Dude has like 6 matches.
A. Got AP stomped
B. Never finished the match.
Dude has like 6 matches.
Soupywolf5
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Yeah, Geno's winning through AP and stamina, Sephiroth's winning through skill (And while lifting strength was brought up it was shot down as not important), and Mamori's range and AP
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And Cell & Popeye.... those threads haven't gotten anywhere yet
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I have questions for both sides.
To team Goku:
This was already brought up, but Woody is 6.5x stronger. To put that into perspective, if the gap were only 7% higher, Woody would instantly win with one hit. On the flipside, this also means all of Goku's attacks will have little effect on Woody until the former activates Kaio Ken.
What is Goku's course of action going to be in this fight? While Goku could obtain some win conditions through activating Kaio Ken to even the scales, abusing his superior range, or just outright throwing Woody across the planet, at what point is he going to try any of those things? Is he going to manage any of that before Woody lands the very few hits he needs?
To team Woody:
While Woody being a toy and having Small Size could potentially give him an advantage and lead Goku to underestimate him, how is Woody going to react to Goku? He may live with humans, but has he ever had to contend with someone of Goku's size? Is it in character for him to immediately charge at Goku without fear and attempt to strike Goku with all of his strength?
To me, it seems that both sides need to understand that while we, as VS debaters, know everything there is to know about these characters, the characters themselves know nothing about each other (going by SBA). You cannot base your arguments on what you, personally, would do if you were in your character's shoes while having full knowledge of the opponent. You need to take account what their initial responses to each other's immediate presence would be, and how they would both go about that.
To team Goku:
This was already brought up, but Woody is 6.5x stronger. To put that into perspective, if the gap were only 7% higher, Woody would instantly win with one hit. On the flipside, this also means all of Goku's attacks will have little effect on Woody until the former activates Kaio Ken.
What is Goku's course of action going to be in this fight? While Goku could obtain some win conditions through activating Kaio Ken to even the scales, abusing his superior range, or just outright throwing Woody across the planet, at what point is he going to try any of those things? Is he going to manage any of that before Woody lands the very few hits he needs?
To team Woody:
While Woody being a toy and having Small Size could potentially give him an advantage and lead Goku to underestimate him, how is Woody going to react to Goku? He may live with humans, but has he ever had to contend with someone of Goku's size? Is it in character for him to immediately charge at Goku without fear and attempt to strike Goku with all of his strength?
To me, it seems that both sides need to understand that while we, as VS debaters, know everything there is to know about these characters, the characters themselves know nothing about each other (going by SBA). You cannot base your arguments on what you, personally, would do if you were in your character's shoes while having full knowledge of the opponent. You need to take account what their initial responses to each other's immediate presence would be, and how they would both go about that.
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Well either
A. If he sees Woody as a serious opponent that is genuinely dangerous, Kaioken. He was ready to use it shortly after beginning fighting Ginyu and at some point within the Frieza fight was using it while Frieza was casually toying with him. Kaioken also grants an all around stat amp, so he'd be faster as well, although that might be omitted if he's the naturally slower of the 2.
B. If he sees Woody as a toy, yeeting as that would be a simple and easy incap mamuever for him to use, or even a Kiai. Goku's already shown if he doesn't really sees his opponent as a threat but they wanna fight anyway he'd incap or bfr of some sort, as with Chichi when he simply Kiai'd her out the ring after she insisted on fighting him. An alternate route is that he's already fighting Woody and decides to use his size to his advantage if he's not already nuking.
A. If he sees Woody as a serious opponent that is genuinely dangerous, Kaioken. He was ready to use it shortly after beginning fighting Ginyu and at some point within the Frieza fight was using it while Frieza was casually toying with him. Kaioken also grants an all around stat amp, so he'd be faster as well, although that might be omitted if he's the naturally slower of the 2.
B. If he sees Woody as a toy, yeeting as that would be a simple and easy incap mamuever for him to use, or even a Kiai. Goku's already shown if he doesn't really sees his opponent as a threat but they wanna fight anyway he'd incap or bfr of some sort, as with Chichi when he simply Kiai'd her out the ring after she insisted on fighting him. An alternate route is that he's already fighting Woody and decides to use his size to his advantage if he's not already nuking.
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B. If he sees Woody as a toy, yeeting as that would be a simple and easy incap mamuever for him to use
Excepte even with speed equalized Woody is fast enough to where Gukur couldn't throw him anywhere that he wouldn't be able to get back from, unless he like hurled him to the bottom of the ocean at 52c (Also since Woody apparently blitzes with speed unequal doesn't that mean Kogu wouldn't get the speed boosts from Kaio-Ken?)
Excepte even with speed equalized Woody is fast enough to where Gukur couldn't throw him anywhere that he wouldn't be able to get back from, unless he like hurled him to the bottom of the ocean at 52c (Also since Woody apparently blitzes with speed unequal doesn't that mean Kogu wouldn't get the speed boosts from Kaio-Ken?)
