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I know they are busy with IRL stuffs and retired, but it still devastating tbh, its like PMMM just becoming a Shinza 2.0 with no knowledge supporters left
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Why Puella Magi god tiers have Type 5 Acasuality and High Godly?
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Maybe this helps. Madoka is stated transcendence the principle of causality and people are no longer able to interact with her. Before the revision of the concept, PMMM's concept was platonic which literally means going beyond the limits of causality.
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Not regenerated as a NEP 2 character.
WHERE'S STATED THAT?
Didn't SD said that game isn't canon? Tho trascending causality doesn't automatically mean Type 5 lol.
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I don't know if the game is non canon. I know that just going beyond causality doesn't mean you get Type 5 Acausality, but that's backed up by the feat of not being able to interact with her.
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Doesn’t that refer to madoka already being a 4D being and no more just a concept from the universe itself?
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What? She literally manifested her avatar after Madoka used her wish to create a law which deleted the concept of witches, which means she already lacked concept and became NEP type 2 at that time
Plus I'm pretty sure the question about HGR has been answered by SD before this forum moved
"What is more fascinating, a girl that neither existed in past memory nor future possibility, someone who should have no connection, no cause or effect to this world, joined seemlessly in your world."
Plus her acausality is transcendent and different with that of WA Homura and AoC, which is type 4 acausality
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yes, and it is supported by a statement beyond causality, beyond the laws of the world and opposing the law of causality itself.
also the platonic concept is beyond all reality that including law of causality as well.
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Basically, opposing causality is not referring to type 5 because they will be a little different from regular causality, so maybe it will be to type 4?
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But...Madoka deleted the concept of all witches at the same time...and UKG is the last witch that appeared, which means she already lacked the concept of witch, and Madoka used stronger law (wish) to delete her, which means she got deleted when she was NEP type 2
Ah, that statement comes from transcript of rebellion story, here is original JP text
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I mean one character can have both law manip resistance and NEP type 2 as nothing in our current standards would prevent it tho (resistance to law manip is already in profile). Keep in mind that concept of witches being nonexistent is already confirmed in WA (scan is on UM profile) so there is no reason to assume that UKG still has concept after the birth of that law
Also, https://archive.fo/ZCnxR
Just found this thing recently, the entire conversation (mainly between Yuri, SD and Beast) covered pretty much all of what I want to say regarding HGR
You can quickly find it on google kek
The Rebellion Story/Transcript - Puella Magi Wiki
Anyways I guess I willl disappear again to live a healthier life
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I will miss you, oh my love
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Madoka was in the process of rewriting the laws of the Universe by taking the grief of everyone when UKG appeared as the giant planet-sized soul gem filled with despair. Assuming Madoka's laws of "No Witches Can Exist" is active, that simply makes UKG resistant to Law Hax during her first appearance. It was after Madoka shot and destroyed it while completely resetting the multiverse, it became NEP2 and existed in the nonexistent multiverse. However, there's no evidence given about UKG initially appearing as a NEP2 entity or that it was erased by Madoka when she first made her wish. I checked this thread, but whatever both SD and Gudako stated are not entirely true. Based on Episode 12 of the Anime as well as this Manga Episode Translation (Particularly the Dark, Empty Void section), UKG is born from Madoka's Soul Gem which was stained by Curses and Grief. However, none of those, let alone UKG herself, was stated to have been erased or non-existent or anything. On the contrary, we are told that Madoka afterwards evolved into her Ultimate Magical Girl Form and erased UKG.
Now from the way I interpret the whole thing, there are two additional possible scenarios:
Madoka was in the process of rewriting the laws of the Universe by taking the grief of everyone when UKG appeared as the giant planet-sized soul gem filled with despair. Assuming Madoka's laws of "No Witches Can Exist" is active, that simply makes UKG resistant to Law Hax during her first appearance. It was after Madoka shot and destroyed it while completely resetting the multiverse, it became NEP2 and existed in the nonexistent multiverse. However, there's no evidence given about UKG initially appearing as a NEP2 entity or that it was erased by Madoka when she first made her wish. I checked this thread, but whatever both SD and Gudako stated are not entirely true. Based on Episode 12 of the Anime as well as this Manga Episode Translation (Particularly the Dark, Empty Void section), UKG is born from Madoka's Soul Gem which was stained by Curses and Grief. However, none of those, let alone UKG herself, was stated to have been erased or non-existent or anything. On the contrary, we are told that Madoka afterwards evolved into her Ultimate Magical Girl Form and erased UKG.
Now from the way I interpret the whole thing, there are two additional possible scenarios:
- UKG never appeared as a non-existent entity as it was not affected at all. UKG originated when Madoka was implementing herself as the LOC in the Universe to destroy witches (As per The Beginning Story: Episode 12 translations) and was born from the Soul Gem of Madoka but was erased by Ultimate Madoka and thus became a NEP2 entity that resides in the Non-Existent Multiverse. This gives no High-Godly Regen for UKG but she gets both Non-Existent Physiology Type 2 for being destroyed by Ultimate Madoka who can destroy rules/laws and concepts of witches but is still described as being a void while residing in the Non-Existent Multiverse as well as Resistance to Law Manipulation.
- UKG might have been non-existent initially even before making an appearance due to being formed of all the erased Soul Gem grief and despair that Madoka seemingly erased. However, it might have Regenerated itself back as the despair in Madoka's Soul Gem when entering the Universe and was born from it (since text clearly implies it to be an existing entity instead of a non-existing one) while still getting erased by Madoka. On top of both Non-Existent Physiology Type 2 as well as Resistance to Law Manipulation like the previous scenario, UKG will additionally get High-Godly Regen for forming itself from non-existent Soul Gem grief and despair. Moreover, Ultimate Madoka will get High-Godly Regen Negation for negating UKG's regen and permanently keeping it as a Non-Existent Entity in the Non-Existent Multiverse.
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I have a doubt since I am not very knowledgeable about the verse, but in UKG's profile it says that not even Ultimate Madoka can defeat her completely, if I am not wrong she is sealed in a non-existent multiverse, so I don't see why madoka should have HGR Negation, because she can't permanently kill UKG completely but only seal her. So since she couldn't kill her permanently, the best option was to seal her, so.... But I hope someone will solve that doubt for me
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The first interpretation is just...downright wrong tho, I mean we all know that UKG made her first appearance after the creation of conceptual law and according to this production note regarding UKG in tv series (not UKG in WA, who regenerated after Madoka's second wish), it clearly stated that UKG is literally nobody and an empty/non existent witch that's born from the curses/despairs of all magical girls, so yeah, needless to say she is already erased from the beginning, not after the second wish (currently I'm trying to find the translation in official translation thread but it's literally a pain since the translation was from 2018 lmao, but you can use Google Translation to check it)
Nah I will not leave this place permanently, I'm just like, active here for few minutes each day then go away so don't worry, also I'm kinda happy when a loser like me can still be missed by someone
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Ah, so the TV Series production notes state that UKG is non-existent despite being formed from the despair of all the witches. Then I guess the first appearance of UKG being NEP2 is fine.
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So basically, UKG was formed from the curse/desperation of a magical girl and at first she really didn't exist
Also I really respect you too for all the users of this wiki because they are great and can fill their free time by reading various novels, I respect you because when I'm lazy to be a member of this wiki and just a visitor, I am very impressed with you, let alone when you are on thread mgk
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Honestly, I feel like the Puella Magi Wiki is reliable about their translations.
As for example they could translate one of the production notes to this despite no machine translator can, as the font is something machine translations can't read.
And on the transcript part, I found the piece of where Madoka is stated to exist even outside the cause and effect of the world. So I think is fine.
About the NEP stuff, I've asked to @Alonik to translate the production note.
As for example they could translate one of the production notes to this despite no machine translator can, as the font is something machine translations can't read.
And on the transcript part, I found the piece of where Madoka is stated to exist even outside the cause and effect of the world. So I think is fine.
About the NEP stuff, I've asked to @Alonik to translate the production note.
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Also for acaucality and hgr already answered. So if there are no questions, we can close this thread
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Well, everything has been resolved with the help of delta and also strymULTRA and those who are in this thread, to close this thread, we are waiting for strymULTRA on whether for him this matter has been answered or not
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Closing not, I'd like to use this to add scans for Madoka and UKG. I'll still wait for translations for UKG tho.
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Alright brother
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So I have found the translation of that part here https://archive.fo/05aaL (literally 2018 lol)
According to ALRF "空" means hollow/empty
According to ALRF "空" means hollow/empty
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Ok, so, I used 3 machine translators and all of them say exactly An empty-point doll born from the despair of all Mahou girls.
Tho Alonik told to me that he's unable to translate as he lacks time, and "empty-point" doesn't sound right to me. Should we ask again for an human translation?
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You can ask if you want, I mean it's your choice but honestly machine translation sucks as "empty-point doll" doesn't even have any meaning lol
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I have no stake in this thread but I just wanted to say you're not a loser (far from it!) @Delta333 and I completely understand if you can only spare a few minutes here a day.
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Putting joke aside, thanks a lot for your encouragement even when I don't talk much to you and I think I did literally nothing for you to think me as a helpful person or sth similar to it
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So, I created a clip about Madoka destroying UKG even in the new universe under her law.
While I'm waiting for the scan being translated, for Acausality I'd put a description like this.
While I'm waiting for the scan being translated, for Acausality I'd put a description like this.
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I gor this.
A witch who is not anyone. An "air doll" that conjures from the desperation of all the magical girls.
Air doll doesn't seem like NEP to me ngl. But the "witch who is not anyone" bit suggests it imo.
