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I know they are busy with IRL stuffs and retired, but it still devastating tbh, its like PMMM just becoming a Shinza 2.0 with no knowledge supporters left
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Not regenerated as a NEP 2 character.HGR because UKG got deleted in final episode but still appeared in WA
WHERE'S STATED THAT?Acausal type 5 because of the statement that Kuro has used?
Didn't SD said that game isn't canon? Tho trascending causality doesn't automatically mean Type 5 lol.Maybe this helps. Madoka is stated transcendence the principle of causality and people are no longer able to interact with her. Before the revision of the concept, PMMM's concept was platonic which literally means going beyond the limits of causality.
I don't know if the game is non canon. I know that just going beyond causality doesn't mean you get Type 5 Acausality, but that's backed up by the feat of not being able to interact with her.Didn't SD said that game isn't canon? Tho trascending causality doesn't automatically mean Type 5 lol.
Doesn’t that refer to madoka already being a 4D being and no more just a concept from the universe itself?Maybe this helps. Madoka is stated transcendence the principle of causality and (people are no longer able to interact with her.) Before the revision of the concept, PMMM's concept was platonic which literally means going beyond the limits of causality.
What? She literally manifested her avatar after Madoka used her wish to create a law which deleted the concept of witches, which means she already lacked concept and became NEP type 2 at that timeNot regenerated as a NEP 2 character.
"What is more fascinating, a girl that neither existed in past memory nor future possibility, someone who should have no connection, no cause or effect to this world, joined seemlessly in your world."WHERE'S STATED THAT?
yes, and it is supported by a statement beyond causality, beyond the laws of the world and opposing the law of causality itself.Doesn’t that refer to madoka already being a 4D being and no more just a concept from the universe itself?
Iirc it was BEFORE Madoka started to yeet the witches away from the gems.What? She literally manifested her avatar after Madoka used her wish to create a law which deleted the concept of witches, which means she already lacked concept and became NEP type 2 at that time
I meant where is stated that thing? In which source?"What is more fascinating, a girl that neither existed in past memory nor future possibility, someone who should have no connection, no cause or effect to this world, joined seemlessly in your world."
Plus her acausality is transcendent and different with that of WA Homura and AoC, which is type 4 acausality
Basically, opposing causality is not referring to type 5 because they will be a little different from regular causality, so maybe it will be to type 4?yes, and it is supported by a statement beyond causality, beyond the laws of the world and opposing the law of causality itself.
The verse is slightly different in the film, maybe because it was taken from a novel?"What is more fascinating, a girl that neither existed in past memory nor future possibility, someone who should have no connection, no cause or effect to this world, joined seemlessly in your world."
But...Madoka deleted the concept of all witches at the same time...and UKG is the last witch that appeared, which means she already lacked the concept of witch, and Madoka used stronger law (wish) to delete her, which means she got deleted when she was NEP type 2Iirc it was BEFORE Madoka started to yeet the witches away from the gems.
Ah, that statement comes from transcript of rebellion story, here is original JP textI meant where is stated that thing? In which source?
そこは僕たちが調整しているのさ。フィールドの遮断力はあくまで一方通行だ。外からの干渉は弾くけれど、内側からの誘導で、犠牲者を連れ込むことはできる。魔女としての君が、無意識のうちに求めた標的だけが、この世界に入り込めるんだ。ここまで条件を限定した上で、尚も「円環の理」なる存在が、あくまで暁美ほむらに接触しようとするならば、その時は、君の結界に招き入れられた犠牲者という形でこの世界に具現化するしかない。そうなれば、僕たちインキュベーターはこれまで謎だった魔法少女消滅の原因をようやく特定し、観測することができる。実際、君が作った結界には、現実世界にはすでに存在しないキャラクターが奇妙な形で参加している。とりわけ興味深いのは、過去の記憶にも未来の可能性にも存在しない一人の少女だ。この宇宙と一切の因果関系がない存在なのに、彼女は何の違和感もなく君の世界に紛れ込んできた。まあ、そもそも最初から探す必要さえなかったんだ。手間を省いてくれたのは、君自身なんだよ、暁美ほむら。君は以前から、「円環の理」のことを「鹿目まどか」という名前で呼んでいたからね。
The verse stops at "Is a girl who has no memory of the past or future possibilities" Isn't this referring to aca 2 being immune to the past and future, in the end she is a being who doesn't exist in that world, as referring to Nepそこは僕たちが調整しているのさ。フィールドの遮断力はあくまで一方通行だ。外からの干渉は弾くけれど、内側からの誘導で、犠牲者を連れ込むことはできる。魔女としての君が、無意識のうちに求めた標的だけが、この世界に入り込めるんだ。ここまで条件を限定した上で、尚も「円環の理」なる存在が、あくまで暁美ほむらに接触しようとするならば、その時は、君の結界に招き入れられた犠牲者という形でこの世界に具現化するしかない。そうなれば、僕たちインキュベーターはこれまで謎だった魔法少女消滅の原因をようやく特定し、観測することができる。実際、君が作った結界には、現実世界にはすでに存在しないキャラクターが奇妙な形で参加している。とりわけ興味深いのは、過去の記憶にも未来の可能性にも存在しない一人の少女だ。この宇宙と一切の因果関系がない存在なのに、彼女は何の違和感もなく君の世界に紛れ込んできた。まあ、そもそも最初から探す必要さえなかったんだ。手間を省いてくれたのは、君自身なんだよ、暁美ほむら。君は以前から、「円環の理」のことを「鹿目まどか」という名前で呼んでいたからね。
Quoting @RM97 from off-site:But...Madoka deleted the concept of all witches at the same time...and UKG is the last witch that appeared, which means she already lacked the concept of witch, and Madoka used stronger law (wish) to delete her, which means she got deleted when she was NEP type 2
I'd like a link to where you get it from tho.Ah, that statement comes from transcript of rebellion story, here is original JP text
"That's just resistance to Law hax, as she was just unaffected from the law Madoka put to the universe which forbids witches from existing."
You can quickly find it on google kekI'd like a link to where you get it from tho
I will miss you, oh my loveAnyways I guess I willl disappear again to live a healthier life
Well, this is based on what I translatedCubee We're coordinating that. The blocking power of the field is only one way. The interference from the outside bounces, but the guidance from the inside brings the victims. Only the unconscious targets you seek as a witch can enter this world. If the existence of the "Principle of Circular Circle" is to come into contact with Akemi Homura after limiting the conditions so far, then it is only possible to embody in this world in the form of a victim invited to your barrier. If this happens, our incubator will be able to identify and observe the cause of the mysterious magical girl's disappearance. In fact, you've created a bizarre combination of characters that don't already exist in the real world. Particularly interesting is the girl, who doesn't have memories of the past or possibilities of the future. Even though she has no causal relationship with the universe, she has been able to enter your world without any discomfort. Well, I didn't even have to look for it in the first place. It was you who saved the trouble, Homura Akemi. You used to call the "Theory of the Circle" "Madoka Kaname."
ThisI have a doubt since I am not very knowledgeable about the verse, but in UKG's profile it says that not even Ultimate Madoka can defeat her completely, if I am not wrong she is sealed in a non-existent multiverse, so I don't see why madoka should have HGR Negation, because she can't permanently kill UKG completely but only seal her. So since she couldn't kill her permanently, the best option was to seal her, so.... But I hope someone will solve that doubt for me
Nah I will not leave this place permanently, I'm just like, active here for few minutes each day then go away so don't worry, also I'm kinda happy when a loser like me can still be missed by someoneI will miss you, oh my love
Ah, so the TV Series production notes state that UKG is non-existent despite being formed from the despair of all the witches. Then I guess the first appearance of UKG being NEP2 is fine.The first interpretation is just...downright wrong tho, I mean we all know that UKG made her first appearance after the creation of conceptual law and according to this production note regarding UKG in tv series (not UKG in WA, who regenerated after Madoka's second wish), it clearly stated that UKG is literally nobody and an empty/non existent witch that's born from the curses/despairs of all magical girls, so yeah, needless to say she is already erased from the beginning, not after the second wish (currently I'm trying to find the translation in official translation thread but it's literally a pain since the translation was from 2018 lmao, but you can use Google Translation to check it)
So basically, UKG was formed from the curse/desperation of a magical girl and at first she really didn't existit clearly stated that UKG is literally nobody and an empty/non existent witch that's born from the curses/despairs of all magical girls, so yeah, needless to say she is already erased from the beginning, not after the second wish
Also I really respect you too for all the users of this wiki because they are great and can fill their free time by reading various novels, I respect you because when I'm lazy to be a member of this wiki and just a visitor, I am very impressed with you, let alone when you are on thread mgkNah I will not leave this place permanently, I'm just like, active here for few minutes each day then go away so don't worry, also I'm kinda happy when a loser like me can still be missed by someone
Also for acaucality and hgr already answered. So if there are no questions, we can close this threadHonestly, I feel like the Puella Magi Wiki is reliable about their translations.
As for example they could translate one of the production notes to this despite no machine translator can, as the font is something machine translations can't read.
And on the transcript part, I found the piece of where Madoka is stated to exist even outside the cause and effect of the world. So I think is fine.
About the NEP stuff, I've asked to @Alonik to translate the production note.
Well, everything has been resolved with the help of delta and also strymULTRA and those who are in this thread, to close this thread, we are waiting for strymULTRA on whether for him this matter has been answered or notI did watch the anime years ago so I am not that knowledgeable. I think Acausality Type 5 got accepted here and later the Acausality scaling from god physiology was applied to Homura in another thread.
I am not that familiar with UKG's case regarding scans.
Alright brotherClosing not, I'd like to use this to add scans for Madoka and UKG. I'll still wait for translations for UKG tho.
全てのマホウ少女の絶望から生まんた空点人形
Ok, so, I used 3 machine translators and all of them say exactly An empty-point doll born from the despair of all Mahou girls.So I have found the translation of that part here https://archive.fo/05aaL (literally 2018 lol)
According to ALRF "空" means hollow/empty
You can ask if you want, I mean it's your choice but honestly machine translation sucks as "empty-point doll" doesn't even have any meaning lolOk, so, I used 3 machine translators and all of them say exactly An empty-point doll born from the despair of all Mahou girls.
Tho Alonik told to me that he's unable to translate as he lacks time, and "empty-point" doesn't sound right to me. Should we ask again for an human translation?
I have no stake in this thread but I just wanted to say you're not a loser (far from it!) @Delta333 and I completely understand if you can only spare a few minutes here a day.Nah I will not leave this place permanently, I'm just like, active here for few minutes each day then go away so don't worry, also I'm kinda happy when a loser like me can still be missed by someone
you're not a loser (far from it!)
I gor this.You can ask if you want, I mean it's your choice but honestly machine translation sucks as "empty-point doll" doesn't even have any meaning lol