@CNBA
>if chakra is not listed as combined with nature like magic is, then no there is no real similarities. there is no real difference between Laxus' lightning and Kirin in this case since it adds in the nature factor to it. besides that there is more proof that Laxus' lightning is real as well. another thing to discredit for Kirin is that real lightning does not take the shape of a beast as well.
Again, quoting FinalBattle:
"Similarly, some lightning Jutsu also share traits with real lightning (can travel through metal, numb the body on contact, travel through water, create electric fields, affect the nervous sytem e.t.c) and yet the only lightning speed Jutsu we accept is Kirin, and only because it was explicitly stated to be lightning speed in manga. It seems like the criteria for acceptance is just a little inconsistant, no?"
As far as I know Raiton has more similarities with real lightning than Laxus's lightning. Or at least better argued.
@DragonEmperor
That's not the same thing. Right now we're talking about speed and Ren Fuji is listed as FTL likely FTL+ in both first and second keys. If he jumps tiers like that is because he has feats proving so with more feats supporting the tier he is.
AFAIK we have only two speed feats listed as MHS+. One comes from this topic and the other comes from a feat that if the former doesn't exist it should be considered as an outlier because before Laxus's calc the verse was HHS and we don't accept things like this if they seems so outlierish.
@Magic stems from Nature
The fact that Slayers eats the element doesn't prove the element they
manipulate is real aswell. Again, there are many differences between them. If the showings of physical force happened once then I wouldn't be saying this because it could be argued as a little inconsistency but it's not the case since it has been shown having actual physical force many times in both Natsu and Laxus's magic.
@Davidsteel
>Laxus's pushing people
Hm... seems correct. Just forget about the "many times" but that doesn't change the point that Laxus's lightning has apparently physical force which shouldn't has.
>Laxus's fights
Could you provide such scans? It would be useful to settle this.
>Enel and Laxus
Yes, Laxus can travel when transformed into lightning. I'm not denying that but the fact that he came from the clouds transformed into lightning (and for some reason the lightning stood there for some time before showing it was Laxus) doesn't mean that his attacks are lightning speed. Why? Because he came from the clouds and as I said earlier only the CtG lightning should be considered as real instead of everysingle attack he uses.
>Nami's statement
I don't want to derail but in this case Nami's the credible scientific source that proves Enel's real lightning and attack as such. And in Enel's case he can use the same speed because he's literally lightning while Laxus isn't.
>Wall
Then I'll wait for someone who knows a bit more about physics to solve this matter.
@Everyone
What I'm aiming for this it's solving those issues regarding Laxus's lightning. IMO they were accepted with a little flawed argument.
- Using CtG doesn't give you the same speed just because you use it.
- The 'numb muscles' scan could be just Natsu and Gajeel severely injured.
- The electromagnetism is yet to be explained.