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Why would it be non canon? It is written and supervised by Ryukishi07, and is stated to be a culmination of Higurashi, Kai and Rei by him too (you can check the links in 07th Expansion fandom Wiki).
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Context?
I can't think how both Meguri and Sotsu are Canon when they have totally different storyline including Meta-world unless the both of them (including Eua and Meta-world) are just a mere fragment
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Satoko from Sotsu ends up in one of the Mei worlds for a bit. In another story about the Library of Time (a backup to City of Books) Satoko finds a book that it's implied to be Gou/Sotsu. Also, Eua appears multiple times in Mei.
I mean, Hanyuu's entire catbox is just a fragment in Eua's. And in Mei it's implied that the Mei catbox is a different one from Eua's.
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I mean about Hanyuu VS Eua that happened in Sotsu (this maybe an anti-feat also when Hanyuu was able to appear in the higher world) but it didn't happen in Meguri after Hanyuu's disappearance
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Good, but no need to fast things up. Only 4 tier 1-A/H1-A CRTs will be let open per time, and from what I'm seeing there's a lot of new threads for those tiers coming up, so you will need to wait.
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WTC does not only need a tier revision, but also a revision to its profiles and some P&As. I'm currently trying to add scans and reference to the profiles (along with already having a CRT made since like 2021 with relevant tiering scans), and I'll likely be getting help with this from Jinsye and maybe Ultima too.
Also, as mentioned above, only 4 CRTs can be open at once, so there is really no need to hurry this.
Also, as mentioned above, only 4 CRTs can be open at once, so there is really no need to hurry this.
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iirc, City of books doesn't have any anti-feat (??)
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Just a quick question: is there a thread with any proposals to change the tiers?
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No
Ovy7
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Umineko Revision 3: The New Tiering System
Yes, it's finally happening. I wanted this thread to be short, but it ended up much larger than I envisioned it. Special thanks to @Jinsye and @JustANormalPerson01 for helping me. Anyway, let the curtain open on the third game! TLDR on the cosmology Basically, the When They Cry cosmology is...
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No counter-argument about Anti-feats?Umineko Revision 3: The New Tiering System
Yes, it's finally happening. I wanted this thread to be short, but it ended up much larger than I envisioned it. Special thanks to @Jinsye and @JustANormalPerson01 for helping me. Anyway, let the curtain open on the third game! TLDR on the cosmology Basically, the When They Cry cosmology is...vsbattles.com
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Question
1. About the City of books and Featherine study is outside the Witch domain is weird for me when Erika within the City of books said that there is a higher layer and higher witches
"Great witches who live on a far, far higher plane than we do are hardly any different from a Creator or God. From their perspective, our little tale (should be the City of books) is worth little more than a single book, if that."
2. (Unless City of books and her Study if both are really outside the witch domain)
Any further explanation about Featherine transcending the Witch domain and interview from R07 when Featherine realized that she was written by someone and became a writer herself which can be an anti-feat
1. About the City of books and Featherine study is outside the Witch domain is weird for me when Erika within the City of books said that there is a higher layer and higher witches
"Great witches who live on a far, far higher plane than we do are hardly any different from a Creator or God. From their perspective, our little tale (should be the City of books) is worth little more than a single book, if that."
2. (Unless City of books and her Study if both are really outside the witch domain)
Any further explanation about Featherine transcending the Witch domain and interview from R07 when Featherine realized that she was written by someone and became a writer herself which can be an anti-feat
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Tbf what is stated to be beyond Witch Domain is Aurora's Study, not CoB itself. I don't remember if CoB and Aurora's study have shown to be directly connected/in the same plane in episode 8.
Anyway, Aurora, who exists beyond the Witch Domain, is called the Witch of Theatergoing, meaning beings beyond witch domain also can be called Witches. Which isn't really inconsistent, since the definition of witches itself is vague
Anyway, Aurora, who exists beyond the Witch Domain, is called the Witch of Theatergoing, meaning beings beyond witch domain also can be called Witches. Which isn't really inconsistent, since the definition of witches itself is vague
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So finally its here...Umineko Revision 3: The New Tiering System
Yes, it's finally happening. I wanted this thread to be short, but it ended up much larger than I envisioned it. Special thanks to @Jinsye and @JustANormalPerson01 for helping me. Anyway, let the curtain open on the third game! TLDR on the cosmology Basically, the When They Cry cosmology is...
I wish we could use mei scans too, like it would be way more easy to get high 1a but CoB could work too. Great job as always
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I've heard that that is a mistranslation, and that the correct translation says that the books are laid out from the study to CoB.
Though I'm not knowledgeable in Japanese to confirm
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Tbf Maria had no knowledge over what a creator is besides what Beatrice told her.
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Makes sense
I also think the quote i shared in the thread would be helpful too. But i dont know if its mistranslation or not
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The "strongest" stuff might be a mistranslation. This is what I've got with both DeepL and ChatGPT 4:
私は世界で一番の魔女、うぅん！ 世界で一番偉い、造物主になることを約束されていた子…！
DeepL: I am the greatest witch in the world, ugh! The greatest in the world, the child who was promised to be the creator...!
ChatGPT: I am the greatest witch in the world, no, the child who was promised to become the most powerful, the creator of the world...!
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Poor Maria, her characteristical "Uuu" got translated to ugh
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You'd need to prove that it encompasses all possible worlds, including all conceivable extensions of qualities, meta-qualities, meta-meta-qualities and so on to reach High 1-A+
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At first, I thought we could get H1A+ FAA based on she is only one layer below the creator domain. But i guess that alone wont be enough to qualify
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I thought that too! Looking and backtracking from tier 0 description, it was making sense. Whatever, it is all in Ultima's hands anyway.
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Me personally, I think it's her childlike nature thinking stuff up (from Maria's perspective) and a massive red herring based on that (regarding the second scan about explaining what Creator is). But I dunno, maybe that's just me
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Also, why is it that there's only 2 scans for tier 0 Creator? Is he that shady?
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The information about creator is almost nonexistent. Afaik there only is the explanation in memoirs of Lambda, the description in tips of one episode –I don't remember which rn– and some mentions in episode 4 and 7 related to Maria.
Besides that, there is a whole event in Mei about how someone truly omnipotent and omniscient cannot exist on the world, though Mei is not accepted as canon afaik
Besides that, there is a whole event in Mei about how someone truly omnipotent and omniscient cannot exist on the world, though Mei is not accepted as canon afaik
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Iirc ovy said some events are canon. We have to check them i guess
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Though if it is not accepted by the wiki, then it doesn't matter
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Heh, Ryukishi being the master of detective novels once again. I guess without love it really cannot be seen
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I wish i could play it. But what do you think about the scaling. If you remember i shared some qualitive superiority scans before, if we can get 1a layers in human domain, wouldnt we scale witch domain to h1a without infinite layers of 1a? And we could get inf layers into h1a for witch domain.
I think its similar what you guys did in AFB wiki(if im not missing something)
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If Human Domain ended up having qualitative superiorities, pretty sure Witch Domain would end up being High 1-A (meta-QS) and every qualitative superiority would end up being meta-
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Ain't every event written by Ryukishi? I'm not sure about crossovers, but pretty sure Ryukishi07 is the main writer of anything related to When they cry in Mei
