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I could very well be misremembering but didn’t Feath mention something about Piece Maria, in the domain of humans, manifesting an internal gameboard? I imagine that counts for something towards human domain r>f.
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Yep, she did, though pretty sure that was just an analogy to her mindset, in which Sakutaro stopped existing because she (Maria) accepted him as dead.
Kinda similar to when Dlanor and Erika discussed the gameboard of the infidelity of Erika's ex in the 6th game
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Indeed it would, but it would be supporting evidence of the idea that game-boards can exist within game-boards — which would go a long way in proving high-1A witch domain.
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There are other things that can qualify the Witch Domain as H1-A. For example, the Depths of Oblivion, which weren't mentioned in the thread, but envelops the entire hierarch of the Witch Domain. I imagine that for now the main focus is to put Umineko as a whole back at H1-A and after that revise The profiles P&A, so this can be left for later.
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Is this an anti-feat for Auau's study when Virgilia entered Auau's study in Ep6?
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Question, is the physiology page accepted as an official page already? This appears as a sandbox to me.
. Don't remember if it was accepted.
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So, up until now 1-A+ Witch Domain is assured in the new tiering system as I see.
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Of course, because Witch Domain is totally 1-A if it brings overall feats about that
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I like seeing stuff like this in umi subreddit lmao
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I just realized about restrictions that's fewer in the higher layer in Witch domain. However, if Featherine's study/City of books are still bounded by restrictions even if they're above and outside of the witch domain?
It seems a contradiction when Featherine is outside/above the hierachy but still have the restriction but only Creator are freed from all restrictions
It seems a contradiction when Featherine is outside/above the hierachy but still have the restriction but only Creator are freed from all restrictions
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Battler's Truth is one of his first move alongside his Endless Nine, he uses it to counter anything non-scientific like he did against Higanbana
Erika's Plot Manipulation is passive as long as she's proclaimed to be the detective. So, as long as she has the detective authority, she has passive plot manipulation (she can proclaim to have it at any time, though).
Erika's Plot Manipulation is passive as long as she's proclaimed to be the detective. So, as long as she has the detective authority, she has passive plot manipulation (she can proclaim to have it at any time, though).
Pretty sure Wankbreaker answered that on the thread already. Don't have time to search the comment, though.
Not in my part, from now. I think I heard Ovy was working on them, though I'm not sure
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Now that I think of it, I wonder if we could get some short of 1-A to the Human Domain? Or, at least, give the pieces a 1-A key to their "higher world" key.
The place where pieces fight within the Human Domain making usage of the Red and Blue Truth acts as a meta-like space from which reasonings are made to discuss the events of the tale. Also notice that said Beato is just piece Beato, compared to her higher plane self which was in coma during that game. It is even said she is a piece compared to Lambdadelta even from within said meta-like space
This isn't that much inconsistent either, since truths cannot be used in the Human World. I remember it being said in the main 8 chapters, though maybe it is a Mandela effect.
Though in a promotional manga of Golden Fantasia it is explicitely stated anyway.
Btw, if it wasn't clear enough, this supports even more 1-A Witch Domain
The place where pieces fight within the Human Domain making usage of the Red and Blue Truth acts as a meta-like space from which reasonings are made to discuss the events of the tale. Also notice that said Beato is just piece Beato, compared to her higher plane self which was in coma during that game. It is even said she is a piece compared to Lambdadelta even from within said meta-like space
This isn't that much inconsistent either, since truths cannot be used in the Human World. I remember it being said in the main 8 chapters, though maybe it is a Mandela effect.
Though in a promotional manga of Golden Fantasia it is explicitely stated anyway.
Btw, if it wasn't clear enough, this supports even more 1-A Witch Domain
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Is there any news about this?
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It seems there is some people working on it in the 07th expansion Wiki discord. Sad I can't help since my knowledge over japanese and vn programming is null
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Although truths cannot be used in the Human Domain, Featherine used a Red Truth in the manga
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Yeah, but Featherine is something else. She writes the script as she wants
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Do you have the scans mentioning that the Truths can be only used in the Witch Domain?
Because this is actually a supporting evidence for FAA transcendence over both domains. The fact that she can break such a rule/law that even voyagers must follow so casually.
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Thanks.
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I might be confusing myself, but didn't Battler actually use a Blue Truth while in the Human Domain against Erika? And so does the Eiserne Jungfrau with Red Truths?
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They were in the higher plane I was talking before. Which, as I said, is treated as a meta-space compared to the gameboard in which the plot happen.
The only possible contradiction of that statement may be when Erika proclaimed to be the detective with the Red Truth in episode 5. Though you could just say that is an exception to the rule, due to it being Erika accepting the role of being a detective
The only possible contradiction of that statement may be when Erika proclaimed to be the detective with the Red Truth in episode 5. Though you could just say that is an exception to the rule, due to it being Erika accepting the role of being a detective
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If this gets accepted, then Game Masters having R>F over their gameboard is blatant, since Battler when he became a Game Master could create a higher plane (like the one where the debates take place) beyond the Meta-World where he created Chick Beatrice
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We shouldn't, actually. Now that I think about it, it would be really funny to spread the misinformation about "Creator is a rank of witches" a lil bit longer
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Do you guys think truths qualifies for logic manip
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Yet another broken link I encountered in my life
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its broken for me too, weird
Logic Manipulation Ability Page Creation
I wanted to separate Logic Manipulation from Law Manipulation for quite a while, as throwing logic and laws of nature in one bucket always seemed strange to me. Sadly, there were never enough users to justify taking such a step. However, as of late, the Tiering System Revision has changed the...
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Either I don't understand how "hax" work (since for me, hax is always below dimensionality and qualitative superiority), but I kind of don't see how Truths can get Logic Manip. But maybe that's just because "throughout the powerscaling and Umineko, I alone am the fraudulent one"
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If it ends up qualitfying, it'd be a limited version.its broken for me too, weird
Logic Manipulation Ability Page Creation
I wanted to separate Logic Manipulation from Law Manipulation for quite a while, as throwing logic and laws of nature in one bucket always seemed strange to me. Sadly, there were never enough users to justify taking such a step. However, as of late, the Tiering System Revision has changed the...vsbattles.com
Game Masters are the ones who create the logic that the story follows: they are the ones who must create a logical story involving both a mystery and a fantasy part which end up not contradicting each other (otherwise, it'd end up as a logic error).
Meanwhile, truths are like axioms under that logic: every and any logic of how the story happened must follow said axioms/absolute truths to be logical. So, I guess you could say Red Truth in some way manipulates logic, since it establishes universal truths of the story which all logics –either those used to establish theories from the detective part, or those used to establish the story by the game master– must follow.
This is seen in depth in episode 6, where Battler, as a Game Master, ended up temporally in a logic error since he could not find a logic that could fulfill all Red Truths/Axioms of the story: Knox's rules and the several statements he made in red (though tbh I don't kinda understand why Knox rules applied to that game, since there was no detective to begin with due to Erika throwing that role to kill).
Tl;dr: If anything, Red Truth may qualify for this:
Which, tbh, feels more of a subset of Law Manipulation than Logic Manipulation.
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Wierd question. But, who do you guys think is the most "evil" umineko character or one that if possible, qualifies for Pure-Evil?
However, they must have moral agency intact (no bern because she's made of evil and has no choice other then being able to do bad by nature)
know right from wrong
be unrepetent
be detested by everyone and also if they claim to feel remorse either they are faking it or its a saving face moment as actual Pure-Evil monsters can never love or feel remorse.
comitt crimes that are on another level from everyone else and be shocking etc.
However, they must have moral agency intact (no bern because she's made of evil and has no choice other then being able to do bad by nature)
know right from wrong
be unrepetent
be detested by everyone and also if they claim to feel remorse either they are faking it or its a saving face moment as actual Pure-Evil monsters can never love or feel remorse.
comitt crimes that are on another level from everyone else and be shocking etc.
