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Does not count due to being a puppet of bern and also being the embodiment of Rika's despair.
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He said Umineko tho
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This ovy^
Umineko though personally the only two people qualify for “Pure-Evil”
Kyrie and Featherine
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I doubt Featherine'd count as pure evil, tbh.
She acts more as a true neutral character, since her only intention is to watch the story as the Witch of Theatergoing to deduce the secret of Rokkenjima by her own.
She also has shown some good actions that'd go against a pure evil nature, such as not publishing Eva's diary and consequently helping people to consider debating of the Rokkenjima accident as an insult to the victim and stop all the theories against Ange's family members.
Meanwhile:
She acts more as a true neutral character, since her only intention is to watch the story as the Witch of Theatergoing to deduce the secret of Rokkenjima by her own.
She also has shown some good actions that'd go against a pure evil nature, such as not publishing Eva's diary and consequently helping people to consider debating of the Rokkenjima accident as an insult to the victim and stop all the theories against Ange's family members.
Meanwhile:
Kyrie does love Rudolf.
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Man, classifying Kyrie as pure evil does feel funky
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The only possible pure evil characters that I could think about of Umineko would be Ange's classmates. Though only due to their short appearence in the VN (I honestly doubt they are Pure Evil)
All other characters do indeed have their own motivations to do what they are doing, regardless if they are more or less valid.
All other characters do indeed have their own motivations to do what they are doing, regardless if they are more or less valid.
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Could be villainous pragmatism as Featherine enjoys atrocities that Bernkastek or Erica Furudo comitt and also Lambadelta and as a result she is responsible for any atrocity they commit and also Beato as Lambadelta turned Beato in to a witch in the first place and Featherine genuinely had no sense of regret in these ventures whatsoever.
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Seems to be pragmatic as she corrupted him in the first place and she is greedy so money also might be a factor. She committed a mass act of terror that blew up an island and did it for money and murdered little kids like Maria and gloated about it openly.
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So, basically the same thing we do to ants, for example? I mean, the analogy here is that those who stand at the top of the food chain can do whatever the hell they want, so this should've been expected. Especially considering that witches most certainly don't view humans as anything special or something
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Only sadistic psychopaths enjoy inflicting pain on to sentient creatures lamo and Featherine goes out of her way to provoke Bern in to doing horrible acts for mere amusement. Also cosmic entities can be Pure Evil an example is Morgoth from LOTR.
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Y'know, I remember one moment in a Minecraft video (it was an LP with a story made by a whole team sponsored by a guy named Lololoshka) where an old man looked at a scientist from another world (that was technologically underdeveloped compared to the world an old man was from) and called him a "cute animal", so to say that to witches we humans will be "sentient" isn't really a good justification, but I digress
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Featherine enjoys mysteries, not "atrocities". She enjoys intelectual stories that can take away her boredom and revive her.
Pretty sure Featherine has not done any act out of pure evilness. Her only interventions with the plot were when she took Ange as a miko to read the story for her, when she took the book of Truth to learn the truth of Featherine's gameboard (though she posteriously didn't show it), and the only times she "attacked" was because she was attacked first.
A true evil person would not do any of that things. Let alone put a rose to let the story rest in the Sea of Oblivion when everything was done, not intervene even when her miko and guardians got defeated to let the story progress, help Battler recover in the Human World and then let him meet Ange, etc.
Saying Lambda is true evil but Bern isn't is just wrong. Both were playing roles on the story.
Saying Lambda has no morals when in the episode 8 she literally helped the protagonist because they'd give her the "best happy ending she could imagine", risking her life due to attacking the strongest witch of the Senate is just wrong.
Not to mention that the original cause of all the suffering of Ange was Bernkastel, who promised her the only way for her to find a member of her family was not to love Eva, which caused her meta-world death in episode 4, and almost the destruction of the gameboard where all her family was living in episode 8. Not to mention the suffering Eva had due to not being loved that ended up making her crazy
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Lambdadelta and Bernkastel were, indirectly, helpers of Beatrice to let Battler learn the truth of the Rokkenjima incident.
Lambdadelta was even good enough to help Battler understand the mistery in episode 5, "creating a gameboard with lots of clues like Beatrice's".
They were just enjoying Beatrice's game. Lambdadelta even adviced Battler not to cause a Logic Error because said suffering is almost as bad as the Sea of Oblivion.
Meanwhile, Bernkastel threw by her own will Furudo Erika to the Sea of Oblivion because she couldn't defeat Battler.
This is just bias to Bernkastel lol.
Bernkastel is the one who acts on her own to revive her master, even if their relationship seems bad.
Oh, and btw, pretty sure Featherine did not ask Bernkastel to play the truth of the gameboard in Episode 7. She just asked for a story to let her reach the truth, it was Bernkastel who did let that part play and who took the gameboard Featherine offered to her to "have her revenge with Beatrice due to her humiliation"
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I never said lamba was PE I said that Featherine similar to Don Eladio from Breaking Bad is responsible for every terrible act all the villains do and Bern does not qualify due to lacking agency and free will as a result of her being the embodiment of Rikas inner evil aka she is evil by nature and cannot change herself to do good acts.
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But she isn't.
Unless you wanna use the argument that all narrative is written by her. In which case, all good things also are made by her, so she ain't pure evil
Also, being the personification of inner evil of someone does not discredit you being pure evil. If anything, it'd support it
Unless you wanna use the argument that all narrative is written by her. In which case, all good things also are made by her, so she ain't pure evil
Also, being the personification of inner evil of someone does not discredit you being pure evil. If anything, it'd support it
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Did you miss the part where I said Bern lacks true moral agency due to only being made of evil and not having the choice for good deeds due to her nature being hardwired for evil? Featherine turned Rika in to Bern to begin with so that point is moot.
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If Bernkastel couldn't do anything but bad actions actions, she wouldn't expect to get a role different of that of the bad guy in a different story.
Not to mention that her attaching Lambda's arms and legs to her body shows she can, indeed, have some benevolence.
Not to mention that her attaching Lambda's arms and legs to her body shows she can, indeed, have some benevolence.
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She only keeps Lamba around as a sadistic chew toy to mess around with due to her inherent makeup she can never love or anything and is a sentient organic AI pretty much in this case.
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I have but you seem adamant on treating Bern as a normal person with moral agency when she is not and your insisting on defending Peychopaths like Featherine.
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Have you actually read what I sent you? Literally 3 different examples of Bernkastel having emotions I remembered right after reading your comment. Now tell me how this:
Makes sense if you actually have.
I'm not defending Featherine. I'm saying you can't hold your bias to Bernkastel saying she's not a bad witch and "that she only does bad things because she cannot do anything else", even saying she is a machine without emotions (when she's not) while critisizing other witches.
Either all of them are true evil or none is, stop nitpicking.
And no, none of them is true evil. At least, they do not fit what you've described as true evil
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At some point in time I had been simping on Bern, and even then will I not say she's "not a bad witch"
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I'm not knowledgeable enough in higurashi since I watched the original anime long, long ago and I'm leaving the VN aside for now. But, how would that prove Sotsu not being Canon? That scene most likely refers to when Hanyuu used her power to prevent a bullet to kill the protagonists
And given that Ryukishi07 said that Gou and Sotsu are "culminations of Higurashi" to him, I doubt he'd consider them noncanon.
And given that Ryukishi07 said that Gou and Sotsu are "culminations of Higurashi" to him, I doubt he'd consider them noncanon.
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The meaning of redirecting (or diverted in other translation) is quite straightforward to be referred to what she did in that scene of anime version. That scene also got a remake in Gou and Satokowashi is a sequel from that scene.
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Yeah, but I don't get how that'd prove that Sotsu is Non-Canon
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A sequel from non-canon = non-canon
Hanyuu didn't redirect a bullet in VN
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Ryukishi's on supervision of the plot of every adaptation of his work, from manga to anime, and often make changes that did not appear in the original work.
The most obvious example of this is the 8th episode of Umineko, which, even if entirely different to its VN counterpart, still is Canon and "an answer written directly by him".
The canonicity of its work is not limited to the visual novels, but to most the media of his works
The most obvious example of this is the 8th episode of Umineko, which, even if entirely different to its VN counterpart, still is Canon and "an answer written directly by him".
The canonicity of its work is not limited to the visual novels, but to most the media of his works
