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[LuciferX]

RGD doesn't have magic and Loopers isn't made by 07th Expansion

But the same author though. still following RGD. so is that all out there?

 

[Violatas]

 

[Darksmash]

All the debate about Ryukishi's works is kinda irrelevant when he directly implied that Rewrite isn't part of his cosmology unlike Umineko or Higurashi.

Just because some writer includes his concepts and ideas in other works as a guest writer doesn't mean they are part of his own verse. Now he's writing for silent hill so would that mean silent hill is part of WTC? It's a pretty bad argument to make in general.

 

[Ovy7]

I for one would be down for SH being part of WTC

 

[MrKerf]

All the debate about Ryukishi's works is kinda irrelevant when he directly implied that Rewrite isn't part of his cosmology unlike Umineko or Higurashi.

He implied directly opposite though -_-

Just because some writer includes his concepts and ideas in other works as a guest writer doesn't mean they are part of his own verse. Now he's writing for silent hill so would that mean silent hill is part of WTC? It's a pretty bad argument to make in general.

To be fair, that’s more of a remake (or… rewrite. Get it? Get it?), so I doubt he’d include it in his works even if he wanted to. As in, he doesn’t write from zero.

 

[Darksmash]

He implied directly opposite though -_-

If you think that then I dunno what to tell you. In his interview he directly says "Higurashi and Umineko are my works so I can do with them whatever I want. While Rewrite is Key's work."

Moreover if you even think that Ryukishi has the right to arbitrarily say that his setting encompasses the setting of other stories that he doesn't own then I would have to call you delusional.

To be fair, that’s more of a remake (or… rewrite. Get it? Get it?), so I doubt he’d include it in his works even if he wanted to. As in, he doesn’t write from zero.

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What's the point here?

 

[Violatas]

Yeah this is why if you really wanna argue about non WTC stuff being part of the verse anyways, your best bet are the 07th stories which seems pretty solid

 

[MrKerf]

If you think that then I dunno what to tell you. In his interview he directly says "Higurashi and Umineko are my works so I can do with them whatever I want. While Rewrite is Key's work."

Link?

Moreover if you even think that Ryukishi has the right to arbitrarily say that his setting encompasses the setting of other stories that he doesn't own then I would have to call you delusional.

Arbitrary my ass. He is a co-writer and uses similar themes he incorporates in his works. Considering Ryu's usage of Osamu Tezuka’s system, at can at least fall under onesided crossovers rule.

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What's the point here?

Part was a joke, part an explanation why Silent Hill can't be part of WTC. Similarly to how The Purloined Letter wouldn't be part of Cthulhu Mythos if rewitten by Lovecraft. That is not to say that other works written by Ryu aren't part of one verse, these cases are different.

 

[LuciferX]

Yeh, they are not connected.

 

[Darksmash]

Link?

"You worked on Rewrite’s Lucia route, which was a collaboration with many other people. Was it harder to write it without any feedback from fans?
In the case of Higurashi and Umineko, it was my own work so I could do whatever I wanted. In Rewrite, it was Key Visual Arts’ work so I had to respect that, and it made me really nervous to write in a very different style and thought process."

Arbitrary my ass. He is a co-writer and uses similar themes he incorporates in his works. Considering Ryu's usage of Osamu Tezuka’s system, at can at least fall under onesided crossovers rule.

Not only is it headcanon that Ryukishi himself disagrees with as shown above, You are once again ignoring the fact that Ryukishi has no ownership of these stories. So cope ig.

Part was a joke, part an explanation why Silent Hill can't be part of WTC. Similarly to how The Purloined Letter wouldn't be part of Cthulhu Mythos if rewitten by Lovecraft. That is not to say that other works written by Ryu aren't part of one verse, these cases are different.

So you are under the delusion that if it was not a remake(?) entry Ryukishi would have magically owned the setting? Idk what to tell you bro

 

[MrKerf]

"You worked on Rewrite’s Lucia route, which was a collaboration with many other people. Was it harder to write it without any feedback from fans?
In the case of Higurashi and Umineko, it was my own work so I could do whatever I wanted. In Rewrite, it was Key Visual Arts’ work so I had to respect that, and it made me really nervous to write in a very different style and thought process."
Not only is it headcanon that Ryukishi himself disagrees with as shown above, You are once again ignoring the fact that Ryukishi has no ownership of these stories. So cope ig.

Bruh. He says that he needed to write in a style of Key, similarly how he said it in Loopers interview. My onesided crossover argument still stands.

So you are under the delusion that if it was not a remake(?) entry Ryukishi would have magically owned the setting? Idk what to tell you bro

Idk what to tell you. If it'd be his original work, of course he'd own it.
If it was his original work under not 07 company, and incorporated elements of his other works, then it'd count still.
That was my exact argument above. Changing the name of the verse to incorporate all his works. SPECIFICALLY because its Ryukishi. His statement about Osamu Tezuka’s system makes it very clear and unorthodox compared to other such cases.

 

[Darksmash]

Bruh. He says that he needed to write in a style of Key, similarly how he said it in Loopers interview. My onesided crossover argument still stands.

Are you just pretending that you can't read? He clearly makes the distinction between his own work and someone else's.

If it was his original work under not 07 company, and incorporated elements of his other works, then it'd count still.

Keep living that delusion ig. Not like adding these unrelated works to """"""""Ryukishiverse""""""""" would significantly change the tiering anyway.

 

[Nekobako]

Little question

Why only Kinzo has Transduality in his profile?

Kinzo Ushiromiya

Kinzo Ushiromiya (右代宮 金蔵 'Ushiromiya Kinzō') is the aged head of the Ushiromiya family. Even though it has already been announced that he has just a few months left to live, he is brimming with energy. Although he amassed a vast fortune in the past, he never made any announcements about his...

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Transduality (Type 2. Completely transcendent of all concepts of the Human Domain, including all of its dualities)

(Need to remove?)

 

[Ovy7]

People prob forgot to remove it

 

[Ovy7]

New Higu VN called Higurashi Origin

 

[Pepsiman25th]

ciconia part 2 when

 

[Magicomethkuon]

ciconia part 2 when

A question so difficult that our children's children will still be struggling for the answer.

 

[Nekobako]

What's the context/scan for Featherine (1-A) to get omnipresent?

And for 1-B Piece?
I don't know why Piece is qualifed for 1-B.

(Or they're also outdated???)

 

[Guardian_Doge]

What's the context/scan for Featherine (1-A) to get omnipresent?

Because just like the other witches in their conceptual form exist throughout everything as what they embody.

And for 1-B Piece?
I don't know why Piece is qualifed for 1-B.

Because she’s a voyager, who like the other voyagers, are above the territory lords traversing a 1-B hierarchy.

 

[Ovy7]

People sleep on Piece even tho she's likely the smurfest char in WTC bar Featherine

 

[Ovy7]

Anyway, it seems that the big bad of Higu Mei might be someone like Featherine. We know it's not her cause Eua already appeared and said that this ain't her gameboard.

Seems like this being is called "Creator" by the villains of Higu Mei. It pretty much uses the same kanji as the info on Creators from Umineko (造物主).

 

[Nekobako]

Because just like the other witches in their conceptual form exist throughout everything as what they embody.

If other witches are like that, Featherine first key as a witch can be omnipresent?

 

[HigashikataJobin]

I wanted to ask something: since it will take a time to revise the cosmology part of Umineko, a revision regarding P&A will be priority?

 

[Ovy7]

I don't think that there's that much that needs to be updated in terms of P&A. The first things that come to mind are NEP and CM becoming Type 2.

 

[Dinoanime7]

Sorry if this is a weird question, wondering if there’s a scan for this one, been looking for that for a while, unless it’s the Creator scans,.

Exists as a fundamental principle of the world, being described as the pillar that sustains the universe, from which universal laws and forces are derived and though which they are sustained.

 

[Guardian_Doge]

It’s from umineko saku

 

[Ovy7]

Yep, is from saku

edit:

私は、尊厳なる観劇と戯曲と傍観の魔女であらせられる、大アウローラ卿よりカケラを預かる使者として生み出されました。 大アウローラ卿が、世界を支える柱という偉大なる蝋燭に灯る炎であるならば、私はこの程度の蝋燭なれど、大アウローラ卿の炎より火を分けられた、分祀されし存在なのでピス。

I was created by none other than the great lady Aurora, the grand witch of spectating, drama and theatre-going, as her emissary. If the great lady Aurora is a greatly lit candle, the so called pillar that supports the world, then this one is a candle of such degree, however, the flames of the great lady Aurora is an entirely separate flames

It's a combination between this and some other ones from Umineko Golden Fantasia.

 

[Nekobako]

Yep, is from saku

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It's a combination between this and some other ones from Umineko Golden Fantasia.

Golden Fantasia from what character?
or can you put a scan for this?

 

[Ovy7]

Golden Fantasia from what character?
or can you put a scan for this?

From Bern and Lambda

 

[Violatas]

God, when even was the last cosmology revision

 

[Ovy7]

Yuri's, so like almost 2 years ago?

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Is it possible that the new cosmology revisions are done still this year?

 

[Ovy7]

I do have plans for one. When would it be? Dunno yet, it all depends on Ciconia news or what Higu Mei reveals.

 

[Ovy7]

I do have everything done that should be enough for 1A Witch Domain, but I'm not in a hurry at all

 

[HigashikataJobin]

I do have everything done that should be enough for 1A Witch Domain, but I'm not in a hurry at all

Oh, I see.

Also, just a doubt, shouldn't every character have Information Manipulation as a basic ability? Because they can reform everything in a fragment AKA all of it's information? Like, Beato gave herself a form and an identity in Episode 7, and even a concept for her and what weakness she would have. Isn't that considered Information Manipulation?

 

[Ovy7]

Yeah, probably.

 

[HigashikataJobin]

Do you plan to create a page for the characters physiology?

 

[Ovy7]

No, not really

 

[Violatas]

I do have everything done that should be enough for 1A Witch Domain, but I'm not in a hurry at all

Aight I'll be right there to refute you then once the time comes

 

[Ovy7]

Aight I'll be right there to refute you then once the time comes

Jokes on you, I will never post it