Welcome to Pagemageddon! Bill Cipher Rework.

[StrymULTRA]

Accepted by whom? No one has posted a counterargument to my debunk of his 2-A stats (unless it was drowned).

You did not give a single ounce of evidence on why it affected only Dimension 46 though.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Phoenks did say they were gonna respond to Aye's rating stuff, kinda just waiting for that at the moment

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yeah, because the portal did clearly affect the whole Nightmare Realm.

Plus Time Baby displayed the destruction of reality as an explosion, not some sort of decayment or stuff like that.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Accepted by whom? No one has posted a counterargument to my debunk of his 2-A stats (unless it was drowned).

Strym made one, and phoenks said they would reply on a laptop once they get their hands on one

 

[Ayewale]

You did not give a single ounce of evidence on why it affected only Dimension 46 though.

The burden of proof would be on you to explain that it affected the entire multiverse, because there's literally nothing suggesting that should be the default. Proof that it affects just Dimension 46 is because Time Baby starts off his explanation of the threat Bill poses with "In this Dimension...". He's literally referring to their dimension alone. Weirdmageddon as an event is literally just "Bill enters Dimension 46". Why would it affect the entire multiverse at once?

 

[Ayewale]

Strym made one, and phoenks said they would reply on a laptop once they get their hands on one

I legitimately can't find it.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Proof that it affects just Dimension 46 is because Time Baby starts off his explanation of the threat Bill poses with "In this Dimension...". He's literally referring to their dimension alone. Weirdmageddon as an event is literally just "Bill enters Dimension 46". Why would it affect the entire multiverse at once?

Or “if this rip in this dimension continues” it could mean that the rip literally was IN that dimension, and it would grow to affect the multiverse

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

I legitimately can't find it.

I’m too lazy to go find it lmao, I’ll see when I get on a laptop

 

[Ayewale]

Or “if this rip in this dimension continues” it could mean that the rip literally was IN that dimension, and it would grow to affect the multiverse

Where does 'it would grow to affect the multiverse' come from? Time Baby doesn't even remotely imply this.

It feels like everyone in this thread started with the conclusion that Bill is 2-A and works backwards from there to prove it.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I mean, Bill is a threat to the multiverse despite not having Dimensional Travel, plus most of that stuff is really just supporting evidence for the shake NR feat

 

[ShionAH]

With all due respect, this is an insane thing to say. You absolutely cannot ignore my opinion just because I'm not a staff member, and you haven't even done that for the other non-staff in this thread. This is unbelievably dishonest.

I can do it actually, its a perfectly normal thing to do since Blue Names have no power. Though staff members will likely look at your arguements and decide then.

1. His Love Resist being fake isn't a 'cringe argument', and that's not a valid response.

Your arguement is just "Its fake"

How am I supposed to answer that lmao.

1. Everyone hates your justification for Power Null resistance because it's just...not?

Not everyone. I dont see how it is not resistance tbh most "debunks" are completely fanon

"Bill is stronger so his power was not drained" was one I heard.

1. "So how do we keep Bill out of our mind?" is a thing I discussed here already, but this is overwhelmingly likely to refer to bill using Dream Manip to read minds. This is shown by Gideon asking Bill to get information from Stan's mind, and Bill having to wait for Stan to sleep first. If Bill could read minds without entering dreams, he would've done exactly that.

I dont remember that being stated or implied anywhere. Stan was already sleeping while Gideon made the deal.

1. "Doesnt seem like a good arguement here so I cannot say much." ??? You didn't explain why this isn't a good argument. Are you aware that you can't just say "argument is bad gg" as a response?

You literally do the same. I cannot answer. You simply say you disagree.

1. "He doesnt enter Stans dream he enters his mind."
   1. The episode is called Dreamscapers, bill waits for Stan to fall asleep

Show me the scan for this "Bill waits for stan to sleep" please.

1. , and in the Journal Stanford builds the machine to protect his mind specifically to prevent Bill from invading his mind via dreams (

Can I see the scan for this. Where was it stated Bill needed dreams to access minds?

1. which is also why Stanford was afraid of falling asleep at that point).

He was scared of falling asleep because Bill literally haunts him with his mistakes. We see this in the episode where Bill enters his dream

• "What the? I am so confused. This isnt even an arguement just a headcanon..."
  1. Which part of that statement was a headcanon? The one where Bill has been making deals for thousands of years? Or the one where the reaction doesn't seem specific?

That one. He did it perfectly.

• "Cool. Where is your proof? Oh wait theres none."
  1. Where's the proof that it's not a joke? GF is a comedy show and Bill in-character says shit to humor and shock people constantly.

Where is the proof for that? The burden of proof is yours. Otherwise so many characters will be downgraded because "Its a goof"

• "I aint even explaining how these are not enough to remove or make it limited lmaooo"
  1. Then delete those powers on the spot since you're not willing to explain them.

No idea which power this is talking about

• "No idea why. He can eat memories and erase them."
  1. Because deleting a single word is limited in its application and if Bill could do any more than that, he would have.

He still says he eats memories and erased an entire word from Fords mind. Eating part is enough but the erasure makes it even better

• "Why would it not be Plot?? What else could it be???"
  1. ...A show changing it's intro after a big change in the plot? As happens with several shows? If there's no in-universe acknowledgement then there is zero plot manip here, period. Honestly even if it was acknowledged in universe, it would be fourth-wall awareness; a show's intro does not, and will never, count as a plot.

The show isnt the one changing it. Bill is. "Changed the text "Created by Alex Hirsch" into "Created by Bill Cipher""

• "In his "No more laws!" thing it implies Bill has no restrictions on his space, reality and time powers."
  1. This isn't close to good enough to justify 'No Limit Fallacy'-ing his space manip. Frankly, nothing could justify 'a character's power has no restrictions' on a profile.

Likely.

• "Its on his old profile and a pretty common thing Bill does all the time." It still doesn't have any link, or justification, or reference. This is not up for debate: it'll just be deleted instantly if there's no proof.

Actually if theres a text explanation its enough. Everyone also knows the feat.

• "His RW and Weirdmageddon can affect 2-A stuff." Send me scans for this because this is never, ever displayed.

Literally the ******* reason he is 2-A in the first place.

• "He literally sees infinite versions of himself answering the same question in infinite different ways and then gives us an example." That's only if you interpret it as strictly literally as possible.

Wtf you mean??

1. You didn't give any reason for it being more than just traveling.

...

I am not answering this, Phoenks or Strym can deal with you

• 1. The 2015 argument still stands, then. Even if Bill was going to destroy the multiverse, it would be due to the lawless nature of the Nightmare Realm, and not any actual AP: Ford states that the Nightmare Realm's lack of physics would make it self-destruct, and Time Baby reaffirms this it what would happen to Dipper and Mabel's dimension.
• What do you mean 'Scan'? Did you even watch the video you used as a source?
  1. "If your rip in this dimension continues.."

The rip is in that dimension, the effects affect the multiverse.

Dont strawman me.

• No one in the Nightmare Realm is strong enough to contribute jack shit to Bill's rating, so him being King should be deleted.

When characters have good rating we take statements such as "He is all powerful" "He is above everyone else!"

• Seeing all of human history doesn't even qualify for a 'size' rating. It's like, weird space-time stuff, or clairvoyance. There isn't really a 'size' for that.

R>F exists. Seeing all of human history as a movie clip means it is bigger than the universe

• "The "Other rifts" are created by the main rift which is the entire reason for 2-A I dont even understand you."
  1. If that's the case then you can just get rid of the 2-A rating now since there isn't any proof that the other rifts affected the entire multiverse.

I think we see the connection here.

Shion, amount of times you refused to give an actual response is honestly report-worthy.

Cool.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Where does 'it would grow to affect the multiverse' come from? Time Baby doesn't even remotely imply this.

It feels like everyone in this thread started with the conclusion that Bill is 2-A and works backwards from there to prove it.

It says threaten existence (which people here think is 2-A), but you said that the reason it was only referring to the regular universe was because time baby said “if your rift in this dimension” when it’s merely talking about the rifts origin not it being localised as only being in dimension 46

 

[ShionAH]

Time baby says "The rip in this dimension" not "The rip only affects this dimension only even though it has shown to affect other dimensions"

 

[TheShape03]

2-A should already be something indisputable.

1) It is comparable to the portal (he keeps it open with his power and defeated the Shacktron, which was being powered by the portal), and the portal shook the entire Nightmare Realm.

2) It is a threat to the multiverse.

3) It was going to destroy all of existence (Time Baby only says that the rip originated in that dimension, not that it's only going to affect that dimension).

4) It has been shown that Weirdmaggedon was affecting other dimensions.

5) Ford spent a lot of time trying to get something with the power needed to kill Bill, although Ford in a short time can build things capable of containing the rift.

 

[ShionAH]

5) Ford spent a lot of time trying to get something with the power needed to kill Bill, although Ford in a short time can build things capable of containing the rift.

Would this and the 5 dimensional calculus upgrade them to Supergenius?

 

[TheShape03]

Would this and the 5 dimensional calculus upgrade them to Supergenius?

Well, Ford can create 2-A things and understand 5-dimensional calculations, so I guess so.

EDIT: I have the feeling that the Op is making this thread to then make a vs thread of Bill vs Discord once 2-A is accepted.

 

[StrymULTRA]

While we wait for @Phoenks, I got the calc for the Giant Ford. Was forced to change some things in the pixel scaling as the early version had erros made from oversight, still needs evalutation.

For a TLDR:

• AP = 8 RonnaFOE (Multi-Galaxy level)
• Lifting Strength = 1.27890448e64 Kg (Universal)
• Speed = 24.5 Trillions times FTL (Massively FTL+)

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Anyway imma head out now, don’t bother replying to my comments

 

[DaReaperMan]

5) Ford spent a lot of time trying to get something with the power needed to kill Bill, although Ford in a short time can build things capable of containing the rift.

Doesn't Bill have Low-godly?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Doesn't Bill have Low-godly?

He made a EE gun, but it didn't work because Bill was too big to be affected from it, as it was just a "big laser".

 

[Ayewale]

I mean, Bill is a threat to the multiverse despite not having Dimensional Travel, plus most of that stuff is really just supporting evidence for the shake NR feat

Bill does have dimensional travel though. Why do you think he's trying to build portals and obtain the rift?

Time baby says "The rip in this dimension" not "The rip only affects this dimension only even though it has shown to affect other dimensions"

'The rip in this dimension' as the start of a sentence meant that 'this dimension' was the subject. So 'the rip in this dimension could end up destroying the fabric of existence' still refers to this dimension. This is just basic grammar?

You have to prove, and I mean actually find a source, stating that 'fabric of existence' was referring to the entire multiverse.

2-A should already be something indisputable.

1) It is comparable to the portal (he keeps it open with his power and defeated the Shacktron, which was being powered by the portal), and the portal shook the entire Nightmare Realm.

2) It is a threat to the multiverse.

3) It was going to destroy all of existence (Time Baby only says that the rip originated in that dimension, not that it's only going to affect that dimension).

4) It has been shown that Weirdmaggedon was affecting other dimensions.

5) Ford spent a lot of time trying to get something with the power needed to kill Bill, although Ford in a short time can build things capable of containing the rift.

1. The rift was always 'open' it was just contained by Ford. And the Shacktron doesn't 'scale' to the portal, the portal was an engine.
2. 'Being a threat to the multiverse' =/= 'Being able to destroy the multiverse'. This sort of rhetoric has been debunked countless times on the wiki.
3. See above for why Time Baby's explanation was referring to Dimension 46. Prove it wasn't, not just "well it could".
4. Doesn't support a 2-A rating at all. We saw that rifts opened in three other dimensions in the comics, that's the extent of it. And that would only give Bill range, if even that.
   1. And that's not Weirdmageddon, either. Weirdmageddon as an event is just Bill showing up in the GF physical universe.
5. How does this prove anything??
   1. Ford himself says that the structure he used to contain the rift is temporary, so it was a ramshackle solution.
   2. Containing the rift and killing bill aren't equivocable at all. They're two different concepts, there's no reason why similar science would be at play?
   3. Ford spent a lot of time getting the parts because they were complex, it doesn't suggest that Bill's stronger.
      1. And this refers to the weapon's physical construction. Finding a power source was relatively quick, since Ford's idea to work with alternate dimension P.F. didn't take too long. At the very least, we're not given a large timescale.

It says threaten existence (which people here think is 2-A), but you said that the reason it was only referring to the regular universe was because time baby said “if your rift in this dimension” when it’s merely talking about the rifts origin not it being localised as only being in dimension 46

For the last time, where is the proof that Time Baby was referring to the entire multiverse when talking about the 'Fabric of Existence'? Time Baby hasn't shown any dominion whatsoever over other dimensions. It 'could' be the whole multiverse, but since that is not implied at all the default assumption would be the scale Time Baby actually made note of: Dimension 46.

 

[Ayewale]

He made a EE gun, but it didn't work because Bill was too big to be affected from it, as it was just a "big laser".

Are you referring to the Quantum De-stabilizer? It didn't work because Ford missed and hit his hat.

 

[TheShape03]

While we wait for @Phoenks, I got the calc for the Giant Ford. Was forced to change some things in the pixel scaling as the early version had erros made from oversight, still needs evalutation.

For a TLDR:

• AP = 8 RonnaFOE (Multi-Galaxy level)
• Lifting Strength = 1.27890448e64 Kg (Universal)
• Speed = 24.5 Trillions times FTL (Massively FTL+)

Perfect, we now have LS Universal for Bill and a calculation for the current MFTL+ rating.

So, "Subsonic+, up to Massively FTL+" is okay? We could probably up the subsonic+ to massively hypersonic if we calculate the lightning feat.

 

[DaReaperMan]

He made a EE gun, but it didn't work because Bill was too big to be affected from it, as it was just a "big laser".

...Bill still has Low-Godly. He can't be killed by anything less then Soul destruction.

Are you referring to the Quantum De-stabilizer? It didn't work because Ford missed and hit his hat.

Ain't Bill's hat part of himself? Like I distinctly remember a hole being blown through it and regenerating fleshy bits

 

[StrymULTRA]

Perfect, we now have LS Universal for Bill and a calculation for the current MFTL+ rating.

So, "Subsonic+, up to Massively FTL+" is okay? We could probably up the subsonic+ to massively hypersonic if we calculate the lightning feat.

Tbh we were thinking about using 3-B and MFTL+ as the base stats, as Bill has to scale to the amount of power he gives to people tbh.

...Bill still has Low-Godly. He can't be killed by anything less then Soul destruction.

I mean Ford did build the thing that ultimately kill Bill.

 

[TheShape03]

Doesn't Bill have Low-godly?

He mentioned that what he needed to get to kill Bill was something with enough power, Ford does not say or imply that this has to do with Bill's regeneration.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean Ford did build the thing that ultimately kill Bill.

Yeah. With a mindwipe+soul destruction combo lol

He mentioned that what he needed to get to kill Bill was something with enough power, Ford does not say or imply that this has to do with Bill's regeneration.

And Bill has Low-godly, so he doesn't give 2 ***** if you reduce him to his constituent atoms.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

He mentioned that what he needed to get to kill Bill was something with enough power, Ford does not say or imply that this has to do with Bill's regeneration.

Also quick thing before I go, didn’t ford specifically need bill off guard

 

[TheShape03]

Also quick thing before I go, didn’t ford specifically need bill off guard

It wouldn't be wise to stand in front of Bill and point a gun at him, Ford simply had enough common sense to shoot him by surprise and not risk Bill noticing and turning him into stone before he could shoot him.

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah. With a mindwipe+soul destruction combo lol


And Bill has Low-godly, so he doesn't give 2 ***** if you reduce him to his constituent atoms.

Pretty sure Fords weapon can simply negate Low-Godly or can negate Bills Low-Godly since its a Quantum Destabilizer and Bill has the whole Quantum uncertainty.

 

[Ayewale]

Another response

No, you can't.. You are literally the only member I've ever seen dismiss non-staff opinions, including other staff. You have zero right to just ignore opinions you don't like because they're from non-staff. None whatsoever. Zero.

1. My argument is that it's not nearly specific enough to count as a true resistance, and another member already posted that what Bill describes doesn't even sound too far from what real people have said before.
2. You're dismissing the debunks as fanon again without actually responding to the argument.
3. Not sure about Stan being asleep when Gideon made the deal. Gideon makes the deal right after seeing Stan be wide awake.
4. I haven't made a single argument that's just "I disagree".
5. "Can I see the scan for this. Where was it stated Bill needed dreams to access minds?"
   1. In the Journal? Where Ford is deathly afraid of sleeping because Bill would enter his mind? But doesn't seem paranoid of him doing it without sleeping? Because Bill can't?
6. I already provided the proof that it was probably a joke, at least too much of a joke to gain anything other than a 'Possibly' rating for a power. Remember now that you are the one adding a power here: you, exclusively, have to prove it's true.
7. "No idea which power this is talking about" Then lookup your own post and check. I'm responding to your own quotes.
8. "He still says he eats memories and erased an entire word from Fords mind. Eating part is enough but the erasure makes it even better" I do not disagree, but...literally just read what I said again.
   1. "Because deleting a single word is limited in its application and if Bill could do any more than that, he would have."
9. "The show isnt the one changing it. Bill is. "Changed the text "Created by Alex Hirsch" into "Created by Bill Cipher"".
   1. This amounts to nothing more than a visual gag. If the 'Stakes' episodes of adventure time had 'Created by Marceline' as a tag we wouldn't give her Plot Manipulation.
10. "Actually if theres a text explanation its enough. Everyone also knows the feat."
    1. No? Just, no. You have to provide references and links for every single power, you can't just go 'well everyone knows the feat so I don't have to link it'. This is straight up just wiki policy??
11. "Literally the ***** reason he is 2-A in the first place."
    1. The reasons I already disagree with? This is not an argument.
12. "Wtf you mean??"
    1. What I meant is what I mean, that sentence isn't complex.
13. "I am not answering this, Phoenks or Strym can deal with you."
    1. No.
14. "The rip is in that dimension, the effects affect the multiverse."
    1. Source for Weirdmageddon affecting the entire multiverse? There is straight up zero proof of this.
15. "When characters have good rating we take statements such as "He is all powerful" "He is above everyone else!""
    1. The quote you're responding to said that the goons don't have good ratings though...?
16. "R>F exists. Seeing all of human history as a movie clip means it is bigger than the universe"
    1. But it's not R>F at all? They're literally just two different dimensions. The fact that it's a movie clip makes this even less applicable to scaling.
17. I said this before but we don't accept "he's a threat to [x] so can he destroy [x]" on the wiki.

 

[Ayewale]

...Bill still has Low-Godly. He can't be killed by anything less then Soul destruction.

Ain't Bill's hat part of himself? Like I distinctly remember a hole being blown through it and regenerating fleshy bits

The second part happened specifically because Ford missed.

I guess his hat is just fleshy but it's pretty much canon that the gun would've killed him if it actually hit him.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Pretty sure Fords weapon can simply negate Low-Godly or can negate Bills Low-Godly since its a Quantum Destabilizer and Bill has the whole Quantum uncertainty.

...

"Pretty sure" is not a feat of negging Low-Godly...

The second part happened specifically because Ford missed.

I guess his hat is just fleshy but it's pretty much canon that the gun would've killed him if it actually hit him.

Can you throw me a bone and scan this?

 

[ShionAH]

@Ayewale Half of your arguements are “Its a gag, its a silly joke” which is why I am not gonna argue with you anymore. Dont take this personal I simply dont want to going back and forth.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Now, as both a concedement to @Phoenks about the Low 1-C stuff, if the NR was indeed Low 1-C, its eventual self-destruction would have destroyed the multiverse even if Bill wasn't involved in, which isn't true, so I guess 2-A is far more accurate on this basis alone.

Plus is strenghtens the 2-A scaling even more.

 

[Phoenks]

"Weirdmageddon already affected the multiverse due to rips in other dimensions" does literally nothing for Bill's AP here because it wouldn't be an AP feat. At very best it'd be used for his range but since it was unintentional, delete this from his AP rating. It doesn't support Weirdmageddon being a multiversal threat at all.

• Also we see four dimensions, which is terrible proof for a justification for it affecting the entire multiverse.

It does do something regarding Bill's powers since he is the one who caused and continues sustaining Weirdmaggedon with his weirdness powers.

Bill is said to get more powerful as Weirdmaggedon goes on as well, which aligns with Time Baby confirming that Weirdmaggedon also gets more dire as time goes on. So the two are definitely directly connected in a way that translates to AP.

• Wierdmaggedon immediately starts when Bill starts wrecking havoc.
• Bill gets stronger at the same time Weirdmaggedon gets more dangerous.
• Weirdmaggedon ends when Bill dies.
• Bill refers to himself as the host of the party that never ends (Weirdmaggedon).

The affects in other dimensions are supporting evidence for this not being a localized event isolated in space. Which is proof at the very least this is not some 3-A, single-universe threat, and definitely does help support other multiversal arguments.

The two citations of Bill threatening the multiverse likely refer to him being able to travel across the multiverse, not being able to destroy it all outright. "He threatens x, so he destroys x!" as sole justification for a rating is a thoroughly debunked line of logic on the Wiki.

I don't know why you refer to this as a "sole justification" when that couldn't be farther from the case. You yourself refer to multiple 2-A arguments in this message.

Anyway, so you're using your own assumption to say Bill threatens the multiverse by travelling? This is a faulty line of logic since he would need infinite range and bare minimum Low 2-C to do such a thing. Which he doesn't have. 2-A is the only other option if he wants to threaten it's existence.

The claim that Bill only threatens to cause mayhem and chaos is also faulty since Time Baby confirms his very existence is already threatening to erase everything. So taking it as meaning destruction is the safest and most backed assumption.

"Likely" in your eyes won't cut it in this case.

'A rip destroying the fabric of existence' was referring exclusively to Dimension 46, the dimension Gravity Falls takes place in.

Can you prove that? Because, as mentioned above, the 'fabric of existence' is a very particular line that isn't ever used to refer to a single universe.

Anyway, this is one of the weaker arguments...

Still, "the fabric of existence" should bare-minimum be Low 2-C. Especially when this a statement coming from the Time Police, who say he is violating the laws of space-time.

Combine that with the evidence we already have of Bill directly affecting time in Gravity Falls, and the fact that his rip reached to other dimensions in the multiverse, and you get a feat that can not reasonably be scaled to 3-A.

It also does in-fact support multiversal given the other arguments here.

"Bill is the king of the Nightmare Realm and controls all of it..." He controls it? Where is this from?

• Bill being the King of the Nightmare Realm means nothing for his rating, delete this.
• Seeing all of human history in it does nothing for this rating.
• Where does 'a Pentrose Triangle is 4-dimensional' come from? Pentrose triangles are 2-dimensional optical illusions; at best, the Wikipedia article on Pentrose Triangles claim that they are hypothetically possible in a three dimensional space.
• Fifth-dimensional calculus is the best proof you've got but it's also pretty flimsy since a direct link between that and the dimension being fifth-dimensional is impossible to ascertain (calculus is really complicated and there's a myriad of reasons Ford could bring it up).

@ShionAH Please provide scans of Bill controlling NR.

Anyway, the main proof for the Nightmare Realm stems from Bill shaking it.

Shaking a realm that is 2-A in range and bare-minimum 4-D, due to existing between all dimensions, should be 2-A.

Fifth-Dimensional calculus helps to support at least being hyper-dimensional, considering that the space between universes is considered 5-D on the wiki. Though it is unquantifiable in nearly all cases for the purposes of this wiki.

There is also other evidence not on the page right now that suggests the Nightmare Realm being a hyperdimensional brane between realities. A diagram that I can't seem to find right now.

 

[ThanatosX]

For the last time, where is the proof that Time Baby was referring to the entire multiverse when talking about the 'Fabric of Existence'? Time Baby hasn't shown any dominion whatsoever over other dimensions. It 'could' be the whole multiverse, but since that is not implied at all the default assumption would be the scale Time Baby actually made note of: Dimension 46.

I don't want to get too involved in the discussion, but "existence" means "everything that exists" or "the totality of existent things". In this case, everything that exist in the Gravity Falls cosmology is 2-A since there are infinite Universes, which is consistent with the statement of Bill being a threat to all of the Multiverse.
Him affecting the "Fabric of Existence" means that he is affecting the "fabric of everything that exist". If he was affecting only that single Universe, than he could have easily said "the Fabric of Reality" or "the Fabric of the Universe", which would have had a different meaning.
Given this, I honestly believe that the statement being 2-A would be the most logical assumption, unless there is any statement that says the opposite.

 

[TheShape03]

And the Shacktron doesn't 'scale' to the portal, the portal was an engine.

The Shacktron is being powered by a 2-A engine.

Ayewale: Definitely, the Shacktron is Low 7-C.

(I know he didn't specifically say Low 7-C, but it's the level the Shacktron would currently have for fighting Bill if we don't take into account this thread trying to raise it to 2-A)

 

[Ayewale]

...

"Pretty sure" is not a feat of negging Low-Godly...

Can you throw me a bone and scan this?

Here.

@Ayewale Half of your arguements are “Its a gag, its a silly joke” which is why I am not gonna argue with you anymore. Dont take this personal I simply dont want to going back and forth.

This is blatantly untrue. You're making up reasons to just not justify your own arguments at the barest minimum level.

I don't want to get too involved in the discussion, but "existence" means "everything that exists" or "the totality of existent things". In this case, everything that exist in the Gravity Falls cosmology is 2-A since there are infinite Universes, which is consistent with the statement of Bill being a threat to all of the Multiverse.
Him affecting the "Fabric of Existence" means that he is affecting the "fabric of everything that exist". If he was affecting only that single Universe, than he could have easily said "the Fabric of Reality" or "the Fabric of the Universe", which would have had a different meaning.
Given this, I honestly believe that the statement being 2-A would be the most logical assumption, unless there is any statement that says the opposite.

But why would he be referring to the entire Gravity Falls cosmology when referring to existence? There are many statements of characters stating they would destroy all of existence in Marvel and DC, yet never automatically assume they're referring to the entire cosmology unless there's very explicit reasoning: they mentioned said cosmology or rule over it somehow. Time Baby does neither.

 

[Ayewale]

The Shacktron is being powered by a 2-A engine.

Ayewale: Definitely, the Shacktron is Low 7-C.

Yeah we don't use engine scaling lol (and it's ridiculous regardless), especially when the engine is a fifth-dimensional portal. This isn't nearly as odd as you'd claim.