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I've gotten into VTubers over the past couple weeks, and when I learned some of them had lore, I started making pseudo-profiles for them in a sandbox.
vsbattles.fandom.com
Yes, the stats are god-awful. If this thread turns out the way I'm hoping, they will be amended to fit our standards of quality.
As I made more of these, I started to wish they could be more than just for fun. I figured these online personas would have no case whatsoever for their existence in our oh-so-prestigious index; I did some researching anyway. And now here I am, presenting such a case to all that will listen.
Here’s my (way-past-the-point-where-I-should-have-slept) thread about Why VTubers Should Be Allowed on the VSBW.
I’ve seen it brought up that the same reasons we disallow profiles like AVGN are the reasons vtubers aren’t allowed. And as far as I can find, the reasons are as follows:
Several vtubers, on the other hand, have lore that’s very clearly presented as lore and blatantly separated from the content in which they are their everyday selves.
Put a different way, let’s look at Silvervale. The gal you see reacting and gaming on Twitch, the non-fictional person, is very different from the character of the Sakura spirit portrayed in her lore videos. You’ll notice in these lore videos that she’s never even referred to as “Silvervale.”
Lore videos in question...
The Petal
Family Bonds
Love Blooms
Within that argument is another I think should be considered. Though AVGN is a different person from James Rolfe, he has no official lore. Afaik James has made no point or effort to present AVGN as having its own backstory or canon. Though the reactions AVGN has are quite exaggerated, and his personality more abrasive than his creator’s, it seems clear that the fictional character’s thoughts and opinions largely reflect James’s own.
Now let’s look at online personalities who are currently allowed on the wiki. Specifically, PewDiePie from his mobile game and Wilford Warfstache from Markiplier’s video series. When I asked what makes these acceptable, but not vtubers, the following was the response:
(this isn’t me trying to gaslight[?] Phoenix, he just happened to be the one who answered my question)
Anyway, assuming this is, in fact, the reason Warfstache is allowed, then I would argue certain vtubers should be allowed for the same reason. Again going back to Silvervale: the character of the Sakura spirit is part of a series of videos with a tangible and consistent plot. But I’ll point to another relevant example: Hime Hajime. Just like Wilford Warfstache is clearly different from Mark Fischbach and is part of a self-contained narrative, Hime Hajime is different from Sydney “Sydsnap” Poniewaz, the real-life person who portrays her, and has her own self-contained plot in the form of a series of videos.
Videos such as this one
These are fictional characters with fictional personalities, backstories, and abilities that the people who portray and created them have deliberately put effort into crafting.
Don’t take this as an argument for Wilford or LotBF Pewds to be removed. I may be quite biased, but I think the reasons they are allowed are quite fair. I simply would argue that certain vtubers are equally justified, if not more so, to have pages on our wiki.
Of course, this isn’t me advocating for ALL vtubers to be allowed. Veibae has no lore to speak of, for example. Most of Nyanners’ “lore” is presented ironically and as side comments which are never brought up again; she has no videos dedicated to the story of her character like other examples I’ve given. There clearly would need to be some sort of standards set.
Dare I say that a page dedicated to our standards for characters originating online could be beneficial, similar to the one we have for series with mature content. But that’s probably an ordeal for another day.
And if all of that didn’t convince you, my birthday is in about a month, so consider this an early birthday present from all of you to me!
Based on reactions I received when posing the idea of this thread to other users, I anticipate mixed initial reception at best. Hopefully the points I've brought up will be considered as people draw their own conclusions, as opposed to any personal disdain they may have for vtubers, and some level of discussion can be had.
Thank you for your time!
I've gotten into VTubers over the past couple weeks, and when I learned some of them had lore, I started making pseudo-profiles for them in a sandbox.
Arrogant Schmuck/VShojo
vsbattles.fandom.com
Yes, the stats are god-awful. If this thread turns out the way I'm hoping, they will be amended to fit our standards of quality.
As I made more of these, I started to wish they could be more than just for fun. I figured these online personas would have no case whatsoever for their existence in our oh-so-prestigious index; I did some researching anyway. And now here I am, presenting such a case to all that will listen.
Here’s my (way-past-the-point-where-I-should-have-slept) thread about Why VTubers Should Be Allowed on the VSBW.
I’ve seen it brought up that the same reasons we disallow profiles like AVGN are the reasons vtubers aren’t allowed. And as far as I can find, the reasons are as follows:
Several vtubers, on the other hand, have lore that’s very clearly presented as lore and blatantly separated from the content in which they are their everyday selves.
Put a different way, let’s look at Silvervale. The gal you see reacting and gaming on Twitch, the non-fictional person, is very different from the character of the Sakura spirit portrayed in her lore videos. You’ll notice in these lore videos that she’s never even referred to as “Silvervale.”
Lore videos in question...
The Petal
Family Bonds
Love Blooms
Within that argument is another I think should be considered. Though AVGN is a different person from James Rolfe, he has no official lore. Afaik James has made no point or effort to present AVGN as having its own backstory or canon. Though the reactions AVGN has are quite exaggerated, and his personality more abrasive than his creator’s, it seems clear that the fictional character’s thoughts and opinions largely reflect James’s own.
Now let’s look at online personalities who are currently allowed on the wiki. Specifically, PewDiePie from his mobile game and Wilford Warfstache from Markiplier’s video series. When I asked what makes these acceptable, but not vtubers, the following was the response:
(this isn’t me trying to gaslight[?] Phoenix, he just happened to be the one who answered my question)
Anyway, assuming this is, in fact, the reason Warfstache is allowed, then I would argue certain vtubers should be allowed for the same reason. Again going back to Silvervale: the character of the Sakura spirit is part of a series of videos with a tangible and consistent plot. But I’ll point to another relevant example: Hime Hajime. Just like Wilford Warfstache is clearly different from Mark Fischbach and is part of a self-contained narrative, Hime Hajime is different from Sydney “Sydsnap” Poniewaz, the real-life person who portrays her, and has her own self-contained plot in the form of a series of videos.
Videos such as this one
These are fictional characters with fictional personalities, backstories, and abilities that the people who portray and created them have deliberately put effort into crafting.
Don’t take this as an argument for Wilford or LotBF Pewds to be removed. I may be quite biased, but I think the reasons they are allowed are quite fair. I simply would argue that certain vtubers are equally justified, if not more so, to have pages on our wiki.
Of course, this isn’t me advocating for ALL vtubers to be allowed. Veibae has no lore to speak of, for example. Most of Nyanners’ “lore” is presented ironically and as side comments which are never brought up again; she has no videos dedicated to the story of her character like other examples I’ve given. There clearly would need to be some sort of standards set.
Dare I say that a page dedicated to our standards for characters originating online could be beneficial, similar to the one we have for series with mature content. But that’s probably an ordeal for another day.
And if all of that didn’t convince you, my birthday is in about a month, so consider this an early birthday present from all of you to me!
Based on reactions I received when posing the idea of this thread to other users, I anticipate mixed initial reception at best. Hopefully the points I've brought up will be considered as people draw their own conclusions, as opposed to any personal disdain they may have for vtubers, and some level of discussion can be had.
Thank you for your time!
