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Someone removed it already it seems.Judgment for The Devil of Rhine: Sans VS Tanya von Degurechaff:
Both at 9-A Speed is equalized Fight takes place at the Brandenburg Gate (Berlin, Germany) Both start 20 meters from each other Fight ends in Death "Do you wanna have a Bad Time?":7 (JustANormalLemon, Stillwinston, FantaRin_The_First, TheKillerYT, MaidRips, Artorimachi_Meteoraf...vsbattles.com
Sans vs Tanya should be removed, as the fight only used the 9-A version of the latter.
As Sans is now upgraded to 9-A, Tanya lost the one shot advantage, which is her only wincon.
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Note: Sans is 9-A now but still gets one shotted since Ryuunosuke scales to someone who can one shot another character that upscales massively above a character that did a 0.0096 feat. More reason for it to be removed since it's a stomp.
You have a one shot scaling chain above X value, then you one shot people below or equal to X too (it was argued even here, mind u).I don't think AP scaling really works like that in Versus Matches?
You have a one shot scaling chain above X value, then you one shot people below or equal to X too (it was argued even here, mind u).
But that's just one of the many reasons why that fight is doodoo anyways.
Looking into it a bit, I believe this is a fair removal. Acknowledging that there were arguments on either side, it seems to me that this is a straightforward matter.Requesting the removal of the match between Marisa and Asriel due to it being an objective stomp. Asriel supporters argue that he begins with a 2-B info hax nova from the outset, which Marisa cannot resist or survive. This clearly violates the thread rules that prohibit frame 1 victories from being added to profiles.
Despite this, the match was added after a FRA train, which seems to prioritize the addition of a match over addressing concerns and talking points. This is a straightforward case of procedural oversight.
Here are the affected profiles here and here.
This... is significantly more dubious of a request, one feels. Arguments could be made on the matter, but really, the thread just had minimal discussion to begin with. I'll ping @Psychomaster35 to (in one message, with no followup discussion, preferably) give his thoughts on the matter on whether it is a stomp or not. Maybe hear from other staff, if possible.If we wanna go this route (not that I care much) is the removal of Mettaton vs Homelander.
The OP kept pushing for the possibility for Homelander being able to flip MTT and push his switch, making the latter go in his more vulnerable EX form, however, there are issues:
Mettaton objectively stomps, Homelander cannot do anything without making conditions somewhat favorable for him.
- This weakness could only be exploited if the opponent knows about it, as Frisk could never know about it had it not for Alphys telling him.
- Homelander literally cannot harm Mettaton due to the latter's durability being absurdly high above his AP to the point of being completely immune to attacks comparable to his ATK
- Mettaton's AP scales to 7.430253959e+10 J, while Homelander's AP at best is 8.2043848e10 J, meaning that the gap is x1.1 (aka MTT would take minimal damage anyway)
- The entire thing about Undertale SOUL manipulation negating durability anyway, allowing MTT to kill in far less hits required than normal ones without magic, too.
The thing is, Homelander has a scaling chain that makes him one-shot characters scaling to the value he scales to, and there is always the possibility of him doing this by accident while punching Mettaton over and over. Also, Soul Manipulation in Undertale doesn't one-shot IIRC and it is still connected to physical durability.This... is significantly more dubious of a request, one feels. Arguments could be made on the matter, but really, the thread just had minimal discussion to begin with. I'll ping @Psychomaster35 to (in one message, with no followup discussion, preferably) give his thoughts on the matter on whether it is a stomp or not. Maybe hear from other staff, if possible.
Metatton soul hax requires only 4 hits to kill characters like Frisk who resist soul stuff, and even if Homelander resist a single attack I highly doubt he will be able to survive the next ones (and as I said, characters who resist soul stuff are killed with only 4 hits)The thing is, Homelander has a scaling chain that makes him one-shot characters scaling to the value he scales to, and there is always the possibility of him doing this by accident while punching Mettaton over and over. Also, Soul Manipulation in Undertale doesn't one-shot IIRC and it is still connected to physical durability.
Just saying, unlike everybody else (well besides this smiley trashbag), Mettaton has an actual Durability Negation in hisThe thing is, Homelander has a scaling chain that makes him one-shot characters scaling to the value he scales to, and there is always the possibility of him doing this by accident while punching Mettaton over and over. Also, Soul Manipulation in Undertale doesn't one-shot IIRC and it is still connected to physical durability.
It is accepted on his profile as of now.
bro got possessed by flowey for a second there.well besides this smiley trashbag
Not really.which is really his only attack in-character in this form:
It does not, but it still would take around 4 hits to do the job.The thing is, Homelander has a scaling chain that makes him one-shot characters scaling to the value he scales to, and there is always the possibility of him doing this by accident while punching Mettaton over and over. Also, Soul Manipulation in Undertale doesn't one-shot IIRC and it is still connected to physical durability.
I mean the fact 4 hits would be taken for characters comparable to them.It takes four hits for Frisk, Homelander is a one-shot above Frisk, soooo
BumpRimuru Tempest (Light Novel) vs Settra (Warhammer Fantasy)
It was made over 3 years ago, and Rimuru Tempest has gone through hellish content revisions since then.
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Note: Sans is 9-A now but still gets one shotted since Ryuunosuke scales to someone who can one shot another character that upscales massively above a character that did a 0.0096 feat. More reason for it to be removed since it's a stomp. AP stomp match essentially.
Removed.Rimuru Tempest (Light Novel) vs Settra (Warhammer Fantasy)
It was made over 3 years ago, and Rimuru Tempest has gone through hellish content revisions since then.
It's already been removed iirc.Bump
It has come to my attention that due to a cosmology CRT, the cosmology of GT is currently treated as 3 Universes whereas the Canon cosmology is treated as 2 Universes.I also think the Son Goku (GT) vs Son Goku (DBS Manga) match from February 2024 deserves some scrutiny. From what I can tell both Gokus have had significant revisions since then and the arguments used in the thread seem to be outdated or incorrect as the AP scaling chain used to justify Goku (GT) winning appears to give Goku (DBS Manga) a relatively very low value. For context that's Goku from the ToP with access to Ultra Instinct.
Ben got upgraded and most of his aliens now speedblitz and are 5-A. This should be removedBen Tennyson (Ben 10) Ben's Profile (11-year-old Ben was used with Way Big restricted and access to Master Control. Sukuna had his full arsenal including Megumi's body, Mahoraga, and World Slash. The fight took place in Shinjuku. Speed was equalized)
FRA train pretty much and barely any decent support for Sukuna. Theres no way that Garou could counter layared invisibility, cursed manipulation/death inducement, domain expansion that allows the user to always hit the opponent no matter what, fire arrow capable to vaporize everything within 200 meters of radius, mid regen that allows him to insta heal the body like arms or bullshit like this, and insane stamina tolerance that allows Sukuna to fight nonstop even after losing his healing powers. Man got blow up, lost more than half of his CE pool, got his body and soul disconnected little by little, lost his heart by a katana capable to ignore any substance to hit the soul, lost his arms, lost some eyes, had massive brain damage, got burned by Jacob's Ladder, and then said, "Nah, I'm barely tired" to Maki
- Garou (One-Punch Man) Garou's profile (Half-Monster Garou and 15 Fingers Megumi's Body Sukuna were used. Speed was Equalized)
It was assumed that Makima can just passively mindhax Sukuna, so its a stomp yeahMakima (Chainsaw Man) Makima's Profile (15 Fingers Sukuna in Megumi's body was used. Speed was equalized and the starting distance was 50 meters)
It was agreed in the end of thread. Sukuna stomps. Akame has no winconsAkame (Akame ga Kill!) Akame's Profile (Both started 4 meters apart from each other, Heian era Sukuna was used, Akame was in her MoS Akame ga Kill key, both were in character and their speeds were equalized. The fight took place here)
bumpYhwach vs Doomguy
Now look, I may seem like I'm malding, but I do believe that this match was argued in relatively poor faith. Many of the votes were FRA trains and were maintained from before he was shifted to be able to use all of his Schrifts (which is a HUGE difference from normal SK Yhwach). Doomguy before pretty much countered all of Yhwach's stuff except for having inferior LS so he could get pinned by TK, and having a weakness to fear manipulation, which was basically a stomp (I didn't exactly argue that it was because that was going to be a debate in an of itself that would ultimately derail). No one really countered my claims of resistance neg or anything
But after Yhwach gained all of his Schrifts, he gained a LOT more, including thought-based EE and Non-existence erasure, and type 8 and Mid-godly, along with resistance neg and others (which I had argued and nobody responded to). Considering this, the votes from the previous should've been reconsidered with the development of this since the difference was between a pebble and a meteor, since as per rules FRAs are usually for points that have not been countered or if a significant change had not happened, which in this case did.
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Note: Sans is 9-A now but still gets one shotted since Ryuunosuke scales to someone who can one shot another character that upscales massively above a character that did a 0.0096 feat. More reason for it to be removed since it's a stomp.
You're obsessed lmfao.Bump
FRA train. The only argument was "Oh yeah, agent has weapons" and thats it, ignoring the insane stamina and stats difference. No one argued for ItadoriAgent (Carnivores) (Carnivores) The Agent's Profile (Speed was equalized, Fearsome Womb Arc Shinji was used, both had prior knowledge of each other, and the battle took place in Detroit, Michigan with the starting distance being 20ft apart and out of sight)
This match is very biased (?). Its using the first key of Itadori, which barely has any feats and only lasts for less than 10 chapters, while the guy has a bunch of skill feats and precog in a 2-A scaleRyuunosuke Mitakata (Summer Time Rendering) Ryuunosuke's Profile (Speed was equalized, They fought in an Underground Subway Station, Itadori was in his Fearsome Womb Key & Ryuunosuke was in his Key, Ryuunosuke had a knife & Yuji had Slaughter Demon)
I'm pretty sure that I can remove threads that basically doesn't make sense or that are very much just FRA train. No one in the thread argued for Itadori and it was "Oh, agent has weapons, ima vote for him", no supported commented or anything, its literally just a speedrun to see the match in profilesSo unless these last two are stomps, there's no reason to remove them. There wasn't any bad faith in the first one in particular, it's just that no one voted for Yuji
You can't prove intent like that just because no one voted for Yuji. And if FRA trains were not allowed we'd be removing a lot of VS matches, which we don'tI'm pretty sure that I can remove threads that basically doesn't make sense or that are very much just FRA train. No one in the thread argued for Itadori and it was "Oh, agent has weapons, ima vote for him", no supported commented or anything, its literally just a speedrun to see the match in profiles
If you're arguing that one's a stomp, then yeah, that's another thing entirelyThe second one is a stomp yeah. The guy has 2-A precog. Itadori can't counter that since he even lacks decent skill feats at this point
I'm not saying that there was any intent, I'm saying that no one argued for Itadori or any supporter have shown to argue. There was one argument and then a spam of FRA.You can't prove intent like that just because no one voted for Yuji. And if FRA trains were not allowed we'd be removing a lot of VS matches, which we don't
Still not a reason to remove the thread, though. A decisive match isn't a reason to remove a VS threadI'm not saying that there was any intent, I'm saying that no one argued for Itadori or any supporter have shown to argue. There was one argument and then a spam of FRA.
What in the Robo ass matchup?So if I make Tanjiro vs SSJB Goku, and everyone decide to vote for Tanjiro somehow, it will be added and no one will be capable to remove?
I'm not entirely certain of your point. Do you intend to say that in these matchups, one character stomps the other? That is the case in this hypothetical, is it not? It is invalid for a different reason.So if I make Tanjiro vs SSJB Goku, and everyone decide to vote for Tanjiro somehow, it will be added and no one will be capable to remove?