Verses with high sexual content (STAFF ONLY)

[Antvasima]

Anyway, I would appreciate if anybody who starts to get upset due to the controversial subject matter, please takes a break to calm down.

This isn't the end of the world after all, and both sides have made valid arguments.

Unfortunately, I am very distracted by juggling many different tasks at once as usual, and do not have the best sense of judgement regarding complicated social issues to start with, so I am afraid that I am not of much help to reach a conclusion here. Promestein and Azathoth are probably better suited for it.

 

[Agnaa]

@Matt This is the issue Weekly was bringing up, sex scenes being optional in MGQ doesn't matter since they're optional in CoC if you use SFW mode. And apparently the sexual content in CoC isn't canon and constitutes a game over (i.e. it's not the actual canonical story that the protagonist goes through by the end).

The rest of your post makes a ton of sense, but your 5 bolded words don't.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Okay.

"Preferably avoid adding character profiles that may be inappropriate or perceived to be in poor taste. This may include characters, weapons, etcetera, that are ill-suited for a statistics-indexing wiki, due to having no reliable feats, or ones from media which may be too controversial or otherwise unnecessary to be featured. This includes pages that would strictly be written as a joke, and as such more suitably belong in the Joke Battles wiki. Although pages for mature verses like Berserk and Demonbane are allowed, they must have coherent stories that are not strictly focused on sex, and the pages have to be kept clean, without erotic images."
This is our current ruling on the subject. Anyone want to offer suggestions to make it clearer?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Anyway I'm going to sleep, I hope the thread isn't concluded when I wake up lol

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Matt This is the issue Weekly was bringing up, sex scenes being optional in MGQ doesn't matter since they're optional in CoC if you use SFW mode. And apparently the sexual content in CoC isn't canon and constitutes a game over (i.e. it's not the actual canonical story that the protagonist goes through by the end).
The rest of your post makes a ton of sense, but your 5 bolded words don't.

According to Kep who played the game out of curiosity the thing about the sexual content not being canon is wrong.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Did I just post on this or no? I need to make sure I didn't accidentally post on the KyoAni thread something I meant to put here.

 

[Antvasima]

Doesn't it say something deeply disturbing about our society and culture that we are more accepting of content meant to horrify, disturb or disgust us, than we are about content meant to incite arousal and happiness in us?

I am not so quick to condemn in this case. It is a good thing that most viewers (hopefully) find torture and murder to be horrifying events after all. The issue is likely more that people have a problem with the direct personal involvement part of pornography.

That said, I have nothing against beautifully drawn or computer-generated pornographic images depicting consenting adults, although I am very uneasy with when real human beings are reduced to slabs of meat sex objects and nothing more than that. I also think that more disgusting and less harmless form of sexuality (rape-fetischism for example) likely usually start to develop due to repressing it too much, so it starts to get messed up as a consequence.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

Anyway, it is probably best if we refocus on this part instead, so we avoid constant incidents of people stepping over the line.

 

[Andytrenom]

Doesn't it say something deeply disturbing about our society and culture that we are more accepting of content meant to horrify, disturb or disgust us, than we are about content meant to incite arousal and happiness in us?

Not really? Attempts to evoke any of those emotions aren't done in a malicious way or with the intent of harming the viewer, they are things people actively seek for and percieve as entertainment

While the comparison with sexual content is valid I really do not get the idea behind calling our comparatively higher tolerance for this type of material "deeply disturbing"

 

[Andytrenom]

Did I just post on this or no? I need to make sure I didn't accidentally post on the KyoAni thread something I meant to put here.

I don't see any recent post from you. However, I don't see any in the KyoAni thread either

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Andy.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

According to Kep who played the game out of curiosity the thing about the sexual content not being canon is wrong.

Kep played just the beginning of the game so of course he would think so

 

[WeeklyBattles]

MGQ and CoC are the same in this aspect, while there are indeed more scenes in CoC 99% of all sex scenes are completely optional, skippable, and non-canon

And I SFW mode they're removed entirely and the story does not change at all

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

>Still talking about CoC

>Still trying to convince everyone that CoC is on the same level as MGQ despite the fact that dodging the lewd content is a task that requires you to ignore most of the game's content

>Still claiming to be "Neutral"

Weekly ffs

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I am neutral, im simply making a clarification

have you played the sfw mode? it does not ignore most of the game's content

 

[Antvasima]

It seems best to avoid hosting CoC pages, yes. It would likely open up the wiki for almost anything.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

'''Shrug''' mkay

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for being reasonable.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Have we come to a conclusion?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think that it seems best to start with focusing on making the regulations clearer to avoid future incidents.

After that we can continue to talk about potential categories and disclaimers.

 

[Antvasima]

You can also ask Promestein and Azathoth to help us reach conclusions here.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Ok I will ask them.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

No problem.

 

[Antvasima]

I would appreciate help from all staff members here.

 

[Promestein]

I'm fine with this conclusion and I can write a ruling up soon.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you. Feel free to write a draft if you wish.

 

[Antvasima]

I would appreciate help to finish this.

We risk to get an increasing number of hentai character otherwise: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Akiyama_Rinko

 

[Andytrenom]

Others probably have raised this point before, but I feel one of the main ideas put forth forward by this thread "**** with plot vs Plot with ****" is a heavily subjective thing that is hard to trust if it will always be decided fairly if left to case by case evaluation.

This is mainly because I feel things like percentage of sexual content or marketing aren't being taken as the primary metric and things like reason for consuming a verse are. Just to clarify, I'm not trying to frame these as wrong attitudes, just explaining why I feel the idea is subjective

 

[Antvasima]

That is a good point. It might be best to not allow any content that stems from ****-centric stories whatsoever, in order to set an easily understood standard and avoid constant misunderstandings.

 

[Promestein]

... You know that's what I was saying before, right?

 

[AKM sama]

Tell me about it

 

[Antvasima]

Yeah, sorry about that. I am very mentally distracted and overexerted in general, so my sense of judgement is not at its top quality at the moment due to juggling too many tasks at once.

 

[Andytrenom]

Did I rip off Prom?

 

[Antvasima]

So are we mostly agreed to modify our rules to not allow any **** verses at all then?

 

[Andytrenom]

I just have that particular problem with that particular standard, I am not really opposed to **** verses overall

 

[Antvasima]

Me neither, but it seems to cause too much confusion to have regulations with very hard to distinguish exact lines.

 

[Antvasima]

We should preferably continue to talk about how to adjust our regulation texts, after which the ****-centric pages should probably be removed.

 

[Antvasima]

I would appreciate some help from the rest of the staff here.

 

[AKM sama]

I'm not able to come up with any regulation that covers all the points objectively. If we're not able to come up with something then I vote for removing such verses altogether.