Verses with high sexual content (STAFF ONLY)

[Jackythejack]

There's no sex scenes. There's just still images, and nudity can be censored. It's a feature but it's not something you have to have.

And if anything the second game seems to be going a little deeper into some sort of story.

If MGQ is okay, which is far more sexual, Huniepop has a good reason to be here.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Weekly, how many times will we have to explain that Huniepop has no sex scenes and the game has a clean version for youtubers and streamers to use?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

CoC has a clean version as well but it's still not allowed

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Never mind about my example then.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>Weekly is still stuck on CoC

I thought we were past this?

 

[Antvasima]

Perhaps somebody could ask Azathoth and Ryukama to give input here? On the other hand, they have been busy IRL lately, and might get annoyed.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Honestly, I feel like a good rule of thumb is that if the verse is straddling the line of what is acceptable and not acceptable on the wiki, it probably isn't acceptable.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

When a double standard presents itself I will point it out

Huniepop os fine to bave because it has a clean version but coc is not fine to have despite having a clean version as well

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Personally I feel the issue is already mostly resolved. The things Andy, Elizhaa and others said pretty much nailed it.

@Ant

I can try to approach Azzy today.

 

[Wokistan]

Honestly, I feel like a good rule of thumb is that if the verse is straddling the line of what is acceptable and not acceptable on the wiki, it probably isn't acceptable.

I get what you're trying to say but this just means the line is constantly moving and eventually stuff that's once okay is now straddling the line and as such not okay.

 

[Antvasima]

Honestly, I feel like a good rule of thumb is that if the verse is straddling the line of what is acceptable and not acceptable on the wiki, it probably isn't acceptable.

That seems to be a good point.

 

[Antvasima]

@Matthew

Okay. Thanks.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Sooo... I think category as suggestion is still standing?

If so which name do we want to settle on? "Adult Sexual Verses"?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't think any category is needed. Just at best a warning on some verse pages.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This Article discusses a series that contains adult sexual content. Though the page itself features no such imagery nor discusses such topics, viewers are not advised to research the series further if they are below legal age in their country. ​

How about this? A modified version of the DT One. I could just add it to the MGQ page right now and that'd be that.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that should probably be fine.

Should we adjust our regulations to turn more specific as well, to avoid outright pornographic verses to be added, or is that unnecessary?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I mean we could add another phrase or two to the Editing Rule if we feel we absolutely must to.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Any suggestions?

 

[AKM sama]

Ryukama doesn't have much thoughts on this and doesn't want to get into it. But he thinks stepping into **** games is dangerous territory with FANDOM's guidelines and all.

 

[AKM sama]

I'm also against including anything termed as "**** game" in the wiki. This won't be the first time the line will be crossed, and it will give rise to more threads like these later down the line. Just remove all **** games.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I don't think any category is needed. Just at best a warning on some verse pages.

I mean we categorize literally everything, so I see no reason not to categorize these pages in much the same way as we, for example, categorize horror characters. It's more of an exception to absolutely not do it than to just do it, IMO.

And its handy to know which verses have pornographic content both because they are subject to special rules, where an overview might be necessary if some details are changed like it is often the case, or in case of emergency.

Given that its 0.3 seconds of work to add a category to a page I see nothing speaking against it.

 

[Read_this_post]

I don't have much of an opinion here. But I should mention that iirc, there are still wikis that cover games like this and haven't suffered much consequence as a result.

 

[Wokistan]

A category also would help if fandom switches their guidelines on us and we need to quickly find and delete things

 

[Elizhaa]

Well, I am not against a category for the verses.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think that people are being overzealous and paranoid now.

 

[Wokistan]

What harm does a category even do though? Wouldn't be the first time fandom changed the rules, and like DT said it is a genre just like the others.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

As Wokistan said it would be wise to have the category in case Fandom decides to change the rules. I agree with the categories.

 

[Read_this_post]

If we add a category. Would things like mass effect or god of war be added to this? Because they have sexual content as well but to a lesser degree.

 

[DontTalkDT]

If we add a category. Would things like mass effect or god of war be added to this? Because they have sexual content as well but to a lesser degree.

Nope. They aren't ****.

 

[Read_this_post]

Ah, so basically verses with sexual content being more of a consistent theme would be categorised if that is what you are saying. Dies irae wouldnt fall under this would it?

 

[Elizhaa]

Ah, so basically verses with sexual content being more of a consistent theme would be categorised if that is what you are saying. Dies irae wouldnt fall under this would it?

Dies Irae and DemonBane should under it if the category is created, too.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

Not familiar with either of those so I can't give input.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Plenty of VN can fit there under these definitons. Where do we draw the line though i wonder, a lot of VN have clean versions, and i think considering something like Shikkoku no Sharnoth **** would be dumb.

Off the top of head i only remember like 2 sex scenes in the entire VN and neither are explicit. In any of the series in What a Beautiful Series, the most that's showed are boobs, and the series certainty isn't about sex.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So what is our ruling on 'it's fine if it has a clean version'?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Weekly, please stop making this about CoC.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Matt no offense but can you please stop and let someone else answer what the I'm asking? You've already made it perfectly clear that you dislike the verse so your opinion is not the most unbiased when determining if it should be here.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

qSo would someone else lease be so kind as to tell me what the current ruling is for 'it's fine if there is a clean version'?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Ah, so basically verses with sexual content being more of a consistent theme would be categorised if that is what you are saying. Dies irae wouldnt fall under this would it?

I think not, though I'm also not familiar with the verse.

As rule of thumb I would ask myself "Did a relevant amount of the consumers get to the fiction for the sex/erotic scenes?". If not you're probably fine.

Something that doesn't even get tagged as erotic/**** on sides selling/offering its content (if they do that) should generally be perfectly fine.

 

[The_Causality]

qSo would someone else lease be so kind as to tell me what the current ruling is for 'it's fine if there is a clean version'?

Define your "Clean Version"

I see no problem if he is clean enough to avoid sex scenes and pollution to his own plot.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Causality That is what a clean version is and what I am referring to yes