Vecna v.s Master Unit: Amaterasu (Hope this a good fight)

[ABoogieYesSir]

Mastery Unit: Amaterasu Vecna

Speed is equalized and if not wanted

Both at 2-A

Who wins and why?



I've seen some s...

 

[Schnee_One]

Which versions?

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Oh I forgot to add to the topic, Both at 2-A

 

[Zeldasmash]

Honestly not sure. None of them seem able to kill the other, but Vecna has High-Godly so he has that going for him.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Vecna can neg Mid-Godly, has thought based mindhax way above baseline 2-A range/number, has precog to know literally everything here and seemingly resistance to everything.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

 

[Schnee_One]

This is Also Low 5B vs 2A BTW.

I understand Yuki is a Smurf but come on

 

[Jinsye]

yo like

blazblue has actual 2-As yeah

why not use those

 

[Mr. Bambu]

^

Like

Vecna is immensely, stupidly above baseline

Where even Low 2-Cs have 2-A hax

He's got High-Godly in this key so killing him isn't an option

etc etc

 

[Schnee_One]

Bambu just yeet it

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Changes topic..

 

[Theglassman12]

I'm just gonna watch here.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

BlazBlue resistances aren't cutting it. Even Low 2-C demon lords have 2-A mindhax, and Vecna is vastly above that, plus it's subconscious. D&D does what D&D does best.

 

[Theglassman12]

what else does he do? I'd like to know more on what Vecna's capable of.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

what else does he do? I'd like to know more on what Vecna's capable of.

Every spell in the game.

Meaning he can literally do anything.

Like unironically D&D magic covers almost every ability I can think of. Except for like maybe something weird like Antimatter Manipulation- even then, Negative Energy comes close.

Due to Precog Vecna has instant knowledge of everything that can ever happen to him 20 weeks in advance. This precog works on acausals.

In-character he naturally automatically goes for whatever he knows will work. Mindhax is generally the one we assume he goes for since his mindhax is pretty well above normal tier, hence it generally works as their wincon. That said, his other normal abilities are death hax, causality hax (again, works on acausals, because #D&D), existence erasure, BFR, paralysis inducement, soul manipulation, conceptual manipulation, blah blah blah.

Basically Divine Rank 20 Vecna (i.e., 2-A Vecna) is arguably the strongest D&D 2-A (the other contender being The Lady). This means he has a pretty vast scaling chain to every single hax he has.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Nope antimatter manip is a thing too

 

[Mr. Bambu]

...

didn't know that

regardless

D&D magic has nearly every ability I can think of

Vecna (and all gods) can use every single spell in existence

Vecna's hax scales well above the baseline gods

like absurdly so

so yeah

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'm gonna wait for Shiro or Glass to give a little synopsis on how Amaterasu doesn't get eaten alive in this match before yeeting it into oblivion, since I'm all ears to a potential new verse to challenge. But from what I can tell, Amaterasu has no win con.

 

[Qawsedf234]

> Due to Precog Vecna has instant knowledge of everything that can ever happen to him 20 weeks in advance. This precog works on acausals.

Tbf his precog is sorta limited to secrets rather than something meme-tier like Odin. So the most it would give him is like, knowledge about whatever secrets Amaterasu has.

For an expanded scaling chain

The Lady of Pai is incapable of defeating Vecna without going into her true unrestricted form. The Lady's restricted for not only one shot another Greater God but is superior to Orcus with both his wand and the last word. Those give him enough power to beat people like Zeus who (with his sibling tbf) defeated the Titans who embody concepts on the 2-A scale and is superior to other Greater Gods like Mystra who's death reorded every D&D multiverse in the franchise.

So you're talking about a dude multiple degrees above baseline 2-A here (Vecna = LoP > LW Orcus > Zeus > Baseline 2-As).

 

[Theglassman12]

Alright, just give me some time to get some counter points here........

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@Qawsed It also gives him knowledge of stuff that affects him, since he's tied to secrets. In-game this isn't too busted since not everyone is interacting with Vecna all the time, but here it means anything that affects his domain is known to him.

 

[Theglassman12]

So Amaterasu has type 8 immortality with Death itself (which is a type 1 abstract) and Noel. So unless you can kill them at the same time, ON TOP of affecting a type 1 abstract, she's not going to die, but that's also assuming Vecna knows that ahead of time.

As for Precognition, Amaterasu can resist precognition from a dude who can literally see the infinite possibilities that exists in the world, on top of her Acausality. So he's not gonna forsee the future from her anytime soon.

She resists nearly every single hax as well, and as for the whole mind hax comment. She can no sell Black Beast Ragna's mind hax, who was able to passively mind wipe Jin, who has the Power of Order, which was capable of protecting him from the Embryo, which is capable of mind wiping those that were capable of tanking Ouroboros, which is capable of bypassing 2-A mind hax resistance.

There's also the fact that she has the Tsukuyomi Unit, which is capable of repelling out hax even stronger than Amaterasu thanks to some statements from Rachel. As for what Amaterasu can do, she can Phenomena Intervention Vecna, which is essentially all of this into one.

Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Time Manipulation, BFR, Information Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Probability Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation and Fate Manipulation

She can also create copies of other characters in the series, even Ragna himself, who's capable of passives out the ass. Then there's the fact that she's capable of evolution as a far inferior clone of herself was capable of doing that on the fly. Conceal her presence from even those with great sensing abilities, Power Nulling beyond 2-A resistance with the Power of the Eye, analyze him with a glance, which automatically gives her the knowledge she needs, can see invisible things that not even those with sensing on the level of sensing souls could see, and likely a ton more stuff.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

1. All magic in D&D can affect Type 1 Abstracts. This isn't an issue. Also beings of lesser power than Vecna have negged the Immortality (Type 8) of other gods. Asmodeus did it to the god of Humans, quite a few demon lords have statements of killing other demon lords, etc.

2. Yeah Vecna's works on people with resistance. Scaling chains and whatnot.

3. The mind hax Vecna has upscales absurdly from the Low 2-Cs and Divine Rank 0 beings with 2-A mindhax. Just saying, the scaling chain of BlazBlue for 2-A mindhax is a fair amount smaller than D&D.

4. Vecna resists all of that save Quantum, and even then, that's just good matter hax on his body. High-Godly and his own brands of immortality say hi.

5. I'm fairly certain that with any copy of any character Vecna eats them. He's resistant to every hax and has to just will the hax to happen in order to win.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

alright just talked with Glass on Discord, Vecna stomps, yeeting to the abyss

weird that Vecna stomps and Reinhard gets inco