Vanilla golden boi (Gilgamesh) vs Chocolate golden boi (Arjuna alter)

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Implying i never come to every Nasu match

 

[NNin]

I think now AA lacks feats as normal servant (we only know he can't unlease his NP at max power as servant) to compare him with servant Gil so we assumeing they are both at peak for the sake of discussing right?

Though I think AA is comparable to Karna so they are likely around the same tier as top servant.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Was it not already stated to be at peak for both in this thread?

 

[Gemmysaur]

The title also says 'battle for the title of strongest servant'.

You can't make a battle for the best baseball player if both players are running with guns like it's an american school lunch time.

 

[Schnee_One]

Dude, poor taste

 

[IronViking]

Gilgamesh
> Have almost all human power via GoB

Arjuna

> Have atleast 330 million Gods authority

GG

And yet humans kill gods in the real world and Nasuverse so...

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

IronViking
And yet humans kill gods in the real world

Only at the cost of western civilization kek

 

[IronViking]

IronViking
And yet humans kill gods in the real world

Only at the cost of western civilization kek
Alright settle down my little nietzsche wannabe.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I thought you were making a Nietzsche joke to. What were you referencing then?

 

[IronViking]

I thought you were making a Nietzsche joke to. What were you referencing then?

Actual god killing, of which Gilgamesh did plenty. And The whole point of Star servants who defy gods and forge the path forward for humanity whether Humanity wants it or not. The closer we get to tech the farther we get from religion too in both universes. To say "the west" is "killing" god is how 12 year olds view the world. Religiousness comes in cycles and is molded over time. Greek Gods morphed into Roman Gods which were supplanted by Christianity's God which absorbed the stories of other pagans as it supplanted them which is itself viewed in a more secular view. The lessons and point of religion remain everywhere. Except in Socialists whose gods are the state and whose emaning is stripped over everything of value.


But anyway more simply. Gilgamesh killed divine beings all the time. And 330 million gods is cool and all but also somehow exists concurrently with an All powerful being or force? Due to the hodgepodge of simulatnaously true religions in the Nasuverse there is always someone more pwoerful.

Also I think Gilgamesh that lived into the year 11900(?) would be infinitely more wise and powerful.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I knew what you meant in the Nasu sense, obviously, I was asking about the real world. I think to say that the west is killing god kinda misses what Nietzsche was trying to say, more so that since christianity was the basis of our moral systems, tossing it out is short sighted

 

[IronViking]

I knew what you meant in the Nasu sense, obviously, I was asking about the real world. I think to say that the west is killing god kinda misses what Nietzsche was trying to say, more so that since christianity was the basis of our moral systems, tossing it out is short sighted

And Im positing that the west isnt destroying god in that sense. Sure a small, and i emphasize small, minority are trying to, but most people still follow basic principles entailed in that type of religious thought because they are useful to have. That tiny minority are going to have a comeuppance as things normalize. As an example the LGBTs can only ally with Islam which regularly tosses them off buildings for so long before it breaks or one or both sized moderate or fight.

Back to the versus. I dont like Gil all that much but I still think he could take Arjuna Alter because of his legend and wisdom. At least as they are and not as servants. As servants not only has Gil lost he has lost EVERY time which is hilarious.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

We went from a usual versus thread to problems involving the Left movement in the West.

Nothing is impossible in these threads.

 

[IronViking]

We went from a usual versus thread to problems involving the Left movement in the West.
Nothing is impossible in these threads.

If its relevant its relevant. Were talking about godkilling here. That said it was a wrong assumption that started it. I have fleshed it out since then

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Any argument that would help us close this thread? I also stated that those "330 million gods" are meaningless as an actual argument.

 

[FateAlbane]

I see this as evidence they're pulling NP's and Authority of Gods powerful enough to affect Reality.

Tier -1 when "When Gilgamesh and Arjuna Alter clashed, their powers were great enough to cause an effect on the discussion of reality itself.".

 

[AshenCrow777]

So far from what I've seen I'm going with Arjuna takin the W

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Any argument that would help us close this thread? I also stated that those "330 million gods" are meaningless as an actual argument.

I did recall somebody saying something about "Kama < Shiva, and Mara <= All Hindu Gods"

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

AA: 6

G: 2

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

What are the arguments for Arjuna that people are voting for him?

 

[IronViking]

Any argument that would help us close this thread? I also stated that those "330 million gods" are meaningless as an actual argument.

I did recall somebody saying something about "Kama < Shiva, and Mara <= All Hindu Gods"

Apparently according to Nasu Karna is apparently the most powerful. This was before FGO tho

 

[First_Witch]

Damn. Tier 2 Nasu was a mistake

Gilgamesh for swags reasons, just to keep this one afloat.

huehuehuehue

 

[Paul_Frank]

Gil fra

the altjuna arguments are literally just he ate more gods so he wins somehow

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

What exactly are the win conditions that Gil has beyond Enkidu that Berserker doesn't? Enkidu is basically the only reliable win condition, since as nothing else he has is gonna be working do to the difference in Authority. Berserker literally just has to flick their wrist and destroy the cosmos, and gil along with it

 

[Paul_Frank]

Having more authority than someone doesn't just make you impervious to everything they do unless that is specifically part of the authority btw

I.E Earth Mother Goddess specifically makes you impervious to anything anyone born if Earth does but if someone from outside of Earth attacked you would be hurt regardless of how much less authority they have

The only reason that happened in CCC is because everything BB did was specifically authority based so having more authority stopped her

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

And Gil just needs to stand menacingly to survive it,

There is still no proof that his Authority outclasses Gilgamesh, on which your entire argument is based of.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Having more authority than someone doesn't just make you impervious to everything they do unless that is specifically part of the authority btw
I.E Earth Mother Goddess specifically makes you impervious to anything anyone born if Earth does but if someone from outside of Earth attacked you would be hurt regardless of how much less authority they have

The only reason that happened in CCC is because everything BB did was specifically authority based so having more authority stopped her

He has the same authority that backs Karna's armor, as well as Saraswati's authority which can no sell when used as defensive power null. Those will No Sell the vast majority of Gil's attacks since he can just regen otherwise

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

And Gil just needs to stand menacingly to survive it,
There is still no proof that his Authority outclasses Gilgamesh, on which your entire argument is based of.

Why would Gil survive it exactly?

Yes, it does. He is loosely comparable to BB's authority, which a single Sun God in his pantheon no sells

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Because why would resetting a universe kill him?

Again, claims and no proof.

Saraswati's authority is a non-factor here.

 

[Paul_Frank]

The authority backing k&k would just give him a 90% damage reduction and Saraswati's authority is over things that flow which none of Gil's things would count as really

There is no proof that a single sun God in the hindu pantheon no sells all of BB's authority as again they are not even close to Amaterasu if that is what you are trying to scale them to

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Even if he survives the first reset, all it takes is the flick of his wrist to do successive universal attacks beyond what Gil can manage to survive.

The profiles are my proof, as we talked about before. If you disagree, make a CRT.

Based on?

 

[Schnee_One]

A universe resetting is a baseline feat

Literally any decent Low 2C can survive that

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Its supposed to be superior to any NP found in fate before, which would incude other universal NP like Ea or VS.

 

[Schnee_One]

Which Gil can still tank because he's far beyond Baseline

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Are you claiming Gil could tank a full power blast from Ea with no protection from Authority? Because that is what Arjuna's NP is superior to

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

This really isn't "let's compare their profiles". Those two characters fight, meaning Gilgamesh isn't going to stand there like an idiot and allow Arjuna to attack him. He could also boost himself again with his ability.

If the profiles had evidence I would accept it, but they don't so I don't.

Based on the fact that Saraswati is on the level of Parvati, who is not on the level of Goddes of Catal Hoyuk. Therefore, her abilities don't matter.

Yes, Gilgamesh can tank Ea because Ea does nothing to him. And where is a statement saying Arjuna's NP is the strongest?

 

[Paul_Frank]

Where is it stated that Mahapralaya is superior to everything else in the verse?

Also yes he could tank Ea

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Where is it stated that Mahapralaya is superior to everything else in the verse?
Also yes he could tank Ea

Based on the fact that Sherlock states that Mahapralaya is so powerful it is almost inaccurate to call it a Noble Phantasm. Since Ea is within the bounds of what can reasonably be called an NP, it would be weaker

Here is the quote:

"Noble Phantasm...No, it's swelling vast amount of energy of such level that even the word Noble Phantasm can't explain. In fact, there are many overflows in our measuring equipment over here..."

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Isn't resetting the universe an extreme uber powerful form of Causality Manipulation that needs Acausality type 4 to counter?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

This really isn't "let's compare their profiles". Those two characters fight, meaning Gilgamesh isn't going to stand there like an idiot and allow Arjuna to attack him. He could also boost himself again with his ability.
If the profiles had evidence I would accept it, but they don't so I don't.

Based on the fact that Saraswati is on the level of Parvati, who is not on the level of Goddes of Catal Hoyuk. Therefore, her abilities don't matter.

Yes, Gilgamesh can tank Ea because Ea does nothing to him. And where is a statement saying Arjuna's NP is the strongest?

I wasn't claiming Gil was going to just stand there, but Gil doesn't have anything that will let him dodge the end of the cosmos.

We are debating based on the profiles, so if you disagree go make a CRT and ask for scans.

I'm not sure I agree they are on the same level, but the clear difference between them is that Saraswati has been shown to have directly combat applicable authority which works Hax wise even if one wants to claim it lacks AP wise.

Do you have scans or a quote of Gil tanking a direct blast of Ea towards him. And again, it cannot be based on Authority allowing him to survive a similar attack, because Mahapralaya will be of a superior magnitude of authority