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The aspect of that Presence is 1A if I'm not mistaking?
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Just saying the Otherkind were stated to be capable of devouring heaven during this storyline.
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Destroying Heaven is fodder anyway.
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Can someone provide new image links for Hecate's page? Two are broken.
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Is somebody willing to help with this?
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If it was rejected it was for invalid reasons. You used the scaling of the divine presence. A key the Great Evil Beast doesn’t even scale to. The aspect of the Presence the Great Evil Beast scales to is only 1-A.
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This still breaks the cosmology.
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How so? I already exposed that you were scaling the great evil beast to the wrong key.
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I never mentioned a key, so that's literally impossible. Also lol at "exposed."
UDM scaling vastly above a 1-A being makes him far stronger than beings he isn't even on the same tier as. He can't touch Perpetua or the Monitor Brothers.
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I never said you did mention a key. What I said is that you scaled the Great Evil Beast to the wrong key. As in the divine Presence and not the aspect.
This is coming from the guy who claimed he “verbally demolished” everyone in the Perpetua thread. lmao.
He doesn’t need to be able to beat Perpetua or the Monitor Brothers to be 1-A.
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The point is that Perpetua is vastly inferior to The Source/The Presence, so scaling Hecate and TUDM as being above him doesn't make any sense. Are you able to understand this, or will you keep spamming your disagreement forever?
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Once again, this is impossible, since I never mentioned the divine presence nor a specific key.
You've completely missed the point but sure.
He does, since they aren't rated as 1-A outside the 6th dimension
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Once again, you’re doing the same thing Deagonx was doing that I just proved was wrong. Let me explain this as clear as possible.
The Divine Presence is = to the Source and superior to Perpetua. The Great Evil Beast does not scale to the Divine Presence. The Great Evil Beast only scales to an aspect of the Presence. So Perpetua being inferior to the divine presence is irrelevant as the Great Evil Beast doesn’t scale above or = to either of these characters in its profile page.
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You literally mentioned the Presence/Source. The version of the Presence that’s = to the Source is labeled as the divine Presence on the profile. So yes you did bring up the Divine Presence.
No he doesn’t. They don’t have to beat Perpetua in fight on panel to prove their 1-A. Scaling beyond the Great Darkness already proves their 1-A.
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No, he isn't, and neither was I. The Divine Presence has not been mentioned as a part of the discussion. I've already made this assertion, and the argument is not based on the Tier 0 profile in any way.
Perpetua is also inferior the GEB, which is why UDM can't scale above it.
I'm not basing this argument from that profile, and I've never mentioned the Divine Presence.
You have, again, fundamentally misunderstood the problem. No one is saying beating Perpetua is necessary for a character to be 1-A, but rather being 1-A would place UDM above Perpetua, which he is not. Therefore, scaling UDM above the GEB breaks the cosmology.
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I’m not getting into another he said she said. However, there’s no proof that Perpetua is inferior to the GEB. The two characters have never even interacted once. And based off what’s presented in the Otherkind storyline it’s more likely the exact opposite.
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Perpetua is inferior to the Presence, but Perpetua is also superior to UDM and Hecate, which is why they can't be 1-A
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Perpetua is inferior to the divine Presence. There’s no proof that she’s inferior to the aspect that the GEB matched.
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This is still irrelevant. She is vastly superior to UDM and Hecate, which she wouldn't be if they were 1-A
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Great Darkness is rated as 1-A. If UDM scales above that, it would put him on par with or at the very least equal to Perpetua, which breaks the cosmology. This has been explained ad nauseum at this point.
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If UDM scales above the Great Darkness he would just be a superior 1-A to the Great Darkness. You have no proof it would put him on par with Perpetua or = to her.
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I think that Alan Moore intended the GEB to be the dark half of the true Presence back in the mid 1980s. Later cosmology additions by Morrison, Snyder, Carey, Gaiman, and others have simply turned it more messed up, so we have to use interpretations of emanations/avatars/aspects of the whole.
I am not at all the best person to ask about this though.
I am not at all the best person to ask about this though.
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She's rated 1-C in verse.
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Ok. And?
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And she's more powerful than Hecate and UDM. This was stated like 5 pages ago.
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Yes in her true state. In her other state she is severely weakened.
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She is still more powerful than Hecate in verse.
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No she isn’t. Her best feat in her weakened state is causing the bleed to fall a part. Which pales in comparison to Hecate and UDMs feats.
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Her fight with BWL in verse literally destroyed the Sphere. She still had control of the totality (including the CU) while in verse. This is just plain denial.
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They never destroyed the sphere. And even if they did all of this pails in comparison to wielding the Great Darkness as a sliver of ones power.
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What was more implied than dwelled upon?
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They were in later issues. As linked in my post, not only was the event referenced but the Great Darkness was as well.
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