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Thats kind of the point. Once again, Perpetua wielded the totality in verse which includes the CU and the Sphere
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How so?
It was the absence of the Presences light. I don’t recall it ever being a half of the Presence. And it’s more of all horrifying possibilities. As the Otherkind were continuously depicted as horror like the Great Evil Beast.
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Once again, that still doesn’t put her depowered state beyond UDM who wields the Great Evil Beast as a sliver of his power.
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It does, because UDM is equal to Hecate who is vastly weaker than Perpetua
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Inferior to a full powered Perpetua. Not a severely weakened Perpetua.
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"Fully powered Perpetua" is still 1-C in verse, far far lower if you take her word for it.
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No dude. A full powered/true state Perpetua is 1-A.
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Sure? She still wielded the totality at 1-C or less inside the multiverse.
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No she didn’t. She never wielded her full power throughout the storyline except when she was at her true state.
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That isn't true. She said she was nearly full power before she regained the totality.
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She said all but a fraction of her power remained. Which is still not full. So I was correct.
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She was at full power when she regained the totality. Likewise, being vastly more powerful at "nearly full power 1-C or less" is the root of the issue.
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No she wasn’t. A fraction of her power was still missing. This is also backed by the author who directly clarified that her power has been diminished.
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Yes, meaning she was nearly full power. Then she regained the totality, her full power, which is how she beat the Ultra Monitor. Once again, this version is 1-C in the multiverse and still far far more powerful than Hecate.
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The scan stating a fraction of her power remains came after she already beat the Ultra Monitor. You clearly didn’t read the comic.
And that’s completely ignoring your terrible argument that Perpetua at low 1-C is full powered even though the whole point of the distinction between her 1-C state and her 1-A state is that she’s weakened. Meaning 1-C Perpetua will always be less powerful than 1-A Perpetua.
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It doesn't change anything, in fact, it strengthens the argument. She was nearly full power with Hecate's power and was still only capable of destroying universes one at a time, and is still 1-C or below.
She still had the totality which includes Hecate's power.
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“With Hecates power.” You do realize UDM and Hecate draw magic from the Source and not the totality Perpetua hoarded right?
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You realize the Totality is from the Source?
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Ok? And? That doesn’t mean it’s a part of the totality. You still haven’t proven that Perpetua wielded their power.
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She was literally endowed with the energies that made up the universe at creation.
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No she wasn’t. She shaped herself out of the magic surrounding the still forming Multiverse. Once again, where is the proof that a depowered Perpetua wielded Hecates full power?
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I am referring to Perpetua, obviously.
The Totality includes Hecate's power, likewise Perpetua has been consistently portrayed, even in her in-verse state, as the strongest being in DC. Her storyline becomes nonsensical if Hecate and UDM are more powerful than her.
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Doesn’t matter. At low 1-C Perpetua isn’t at her full power. She’s specifically weakened inside of the Multiverse.
Maybe at full power. When she was depowered she literally needed to be babysat by Lex and BWL.
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She is still more powerful than Hecate in that state.
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There feats say otherwise. Superiority to the Great Darkness > causing bleed space to fall a part.
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Their*
And no, they do not. Considering Hecate as superior to Perpetua breaks the cosmology, which is why that line of reasoning has been rejected. On top of the fact that it was retconned.
Being that created the CU and wields it's power > the CU
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No it doesn’t because Perpetua is depowered.
Perpetua created the Collective Unconscious at full power. And a full powered Perpetua as I already said is more powerful than Hecate. It’s a depowered Perpetua that I believe is not superior to Hecate since she has no feats matching a being that’s > to the Great Darkness.
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She said she was nearly full power, which would still place her well well above Hecate.
Which means nearly full power Perpetua is still >>>> Hecate.
Nearly full power Perpetua was still greater than Hecate, and we were told explicitly that the beings in the Sphere saw BWL and Perpetua as beings in a league of their own. This storyline becomes nonsensical trying to scale Hecate above them. Plus she canonically isn't.
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I don’t know why you keep saying she was “nearly full powered.” The word “nearly” is never used in the scan. A fraction of her power was still missing. And you have no proof a depowered Perpetua is beyond Hecate as I’ve been literally debunking you at every corner.
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Fraction: a small or tiny part, amount, or proportion of something.
"he hesitated for a fraction of a second"
Nearly: very close to; almost
So, if Perpetua is only missing a tiny amount of her power, she is very close to or almost full power.
AKA nearly full power.
Other than the fact that Hecate is part of a power source Perpetua wielded and is far above? Right.
Was that the part where you accused me of scaling to the divine presence when I wasn't, or the part where you didn't know what nearly meant, or the part where you keep saying Perpetua is weaker than the being she created, whose power she wields?
Right. I guess you have the same relationship with the word "debunk" as you do with "fraction" and "nearly." I've debunked you this entire thread, now you're just repeated the same defeated arguments as a couple of weeks ago.
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That’s not the point. The point is that you’re stating “she’s nearly full” to act like the difference between a weakened Perpetua and a full powered Perpetua is negligible which is wrong and goes against what we’re literally told by Scott Snyder.
Once again what you’re referencing is what Perpertua did at her full power/true state. Not her weakened and depowered state.
It’s the part where you didn’t even know that Perpetua gained a portion of her power after she fought the Ultra Monitor.
It’s the part where you tried to interpret a weakened Perpetua as = to a full powered Perpetua despite Scott Snyder telling us otherwise.
It’s the part where you tried to say Perpetua destroyed the sphere of gods with 0 proof.
And it’s the part where you had 0 proof of Perpetua using Hecates power at a weakened state.
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Okay. I will close this then. Nothing more is going to happen here.
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