Upgrade to those who are made of data.

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

To highlight this again, it really should depend on portrayal. I don't think either should be default.

Put it like this:

Let's take an in universe video game character for example. Are they the information that composes the video game character, as in the coding itself? Then they would be bellow average human. Are they the character that is portrayed in the game? Then they would be fiction, and therefore be applied as a reality fiction difference.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Bill's just 2-D. So he'd be 11-A.

@Iapitus Most characters who are 11-A due to being virtual are so due to being seen from a 3-D perspective in some way, such as an AI in a computer seen from a human. I really doubt that characters that purely exist as fictional characters inside the world of a video game or something would be the kind of characters to receive 11-A keys, so keeping 10-C as the standard would be better.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Well, are they portrayed as being a character in a simulation or the simulation itself? That definitely changes things. Why would they not be the kind of characters to receive an 11-A key exactly?

Let's take the drawing example:

Is the character a being portrayed in ink, and thus fiction? If yes, Then they get 11-A. Is the character the drawing itself or the ink itself? If yes, then they get bellow average human. It should depend on how its portrayed as opposed to any kind of default

 

[Antvasima]

Have the profiles been updated?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Yes, I agree with that, but the thing is that characters being portrayed as fiction normally wouldn't get a key for their 11-A/10-C form. It doesn't really matter to know that a fictional character is fiction when they are never fought or interacted with a such, and most people would rather want their stats inside their fictional story rather than seeing a plain 11-A.

So I don't mind applying 11-A or 10-C depending on the character in question, but a vast majority of characters being 11-A this way wouldn't need a 11-A key in the first place (Only NASU and some SCPs would, to my knowledge. Even then NASU could be ridden of its 11-A key in the first place tbh). So I think that keeping 10-C as the default unless hinted at otherwise would be best.

 

[Read_this_post]

Only the one with (done) next to it has been updated. Some may need wording changed and some need powers and abilities altered as well. I have to pass out right now.

Also i would perhaps let lapis and saikou debate a little and see where that goes.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Usually if they are getting a profile they have some kind of significance to the story. It being something that wouldn't usually get a key just means it's rare, but that does not mean it should not be considered. There is no need for a default when it really just depends

Why do you need a default anyway? Just make it up to portrayal, as most things are. If most things are portrayed as being one way, that may be more common, but not necessarily the default. For other examples, there would be Put Back from JJBA, but he doesn't have a profile.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I mean, you're the one who came over there and assumed a default. All I said is that 11-As through being virtual exist, but are rare, with only 2-3 examples here. 10-C is just far more common.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

You are the some who said it was better to have 10-C be the default. I am saying there should be no default assumption, and should simply be viewed by portrayal.

 

[Andytrenom]

Okay. Here is a list of the people who should have their 11-A status upgraded (simple tier change will be put next to anybody who can just be outright upgraded without worrying about hax):

Animator (Animator vs. Animation)

NASU (done)

Rumble McSkirmish (likely simple tier change)

GIFfany (likely simple tier change)

The Chosen One (Animator vs. Animation)

The Second Coming

KALIMBA TV Channel (possible simple tier change. though they might need data manipulation)

White Face

Characters that might need a tier change:

The Player (Fluidity)

SCP-085 (apparently a drawing. though that depends on whether she has been referred to as spatially 2D or not)

Of everyone listed, Rumble and AvA characters I have doubts about. AvA might be fine since they were able to move through usb cords but Rumble just seems to be a full on video game character.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I am pretty sure NASU should stay as plane level, as he is more literally a video game character and less the data itself

 

[Antvasima]

@Saikou & Sera

What do you think?

 

[Read_this_post]

I only agree with lapitus to an extent.

Being a literal video game character still implies you to be made out of coding. If nasu is canonically part of a video game then that logically means he is a part of the games coding and exists as such and is "fiction" from the perspective of those playing it. But not literal non existant/lower dimensional fiction.

Someone who does fall under a video game character or a drawing or something should either be clearly established as being physically on a lower spatial dimension, or they should have their true physical selves clearly shown to be actual pure non existant fiction.

However even then, pure non existence is quite hard to quantify since their is no real spatial dimension for that apart from maybe to some degree, point level

 

[Sera_EX]

Video game characters are not two-dimensional, they are virtual projections of information. They only appear to be 2D (in case of sprites) or 3D (3D models and so forth).

Read this post has the general right idea here.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should we start to try to organise the suggested changes then? The mentioned pages have to be updated, and we need a "Lower-Dimensional Existence" instruction page.

 

[Sera_EX]

I got the Lower Dimensional Existence page covered. I suppose Saikou will update the pages?

 

[Read_this_post]

First i think we should, before doing anything major with the profiles, consider what type of small size things like waves and data would be.

 

[Antvasima]

@Sera

Thank you for the help.

 

[Sera_EX]

First i think we should, before doing anything major with the profiles, consider what type of small size things like waves and data would be.

They have no size. Size is a physical measurement and neither waves or data are physical. Size can only be applied to non physical things in specific cases.

 

[Read_this_post]

Im pretty sure anything 3 dimensional is technically physical.

Also i think you can upgrade whiteface and just put data manipulation as a first key for powers and abilities.

 

[The_Impress]

Um is this project still in effect? If so, should someone make tier changes to the data-based characters for now, or is this still in debate?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we seem to have reached a conclusion, but still need a "Lower-Dimensional Existence" instruction page.

 

[Crimson_Azoth]

And the page should probably exist before we make widespread tier changes for multiple characters

 

[Antvasima]

Preferably yes.

 

[Read_this_post]

Should something like waves or data qualify as a new Type of small size? And would it be smaller than a plank length?

 

[The_Impress]

Does this somewhat cover for the "Lower Dimensionality" page for now?

Data Physiology

Summary
Data Physiology is the power of being composed entirely of data, whose nature varies from electronic to physical forms depending on the nature of its storage.

Limitations
Characters composed out of data can be directly affected by Data Manipulators.

Data is prone to being corrupted by multiple factors such as power outage, malware and hardware and software malfunctions.

Users

• White Face (Imscared)
• The Chosen One (Animator vs. Animatio)
• GIFfany (Gravity Falls)

Note: Data is treated as a 3 dimensional energy, therefore should be treated as Below Human level entity.

 

[Read_this_post]

I'm just leaving this here for the small size purposes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WaUzu-iksi8

 

[Antvasima]

@Saikou & Sera

What do you think?

 

[Andytrenom]

@Zark We in this very thread concluded that data is not A form of lower dimensionality.

 

[The_Impress]

Wait, that was a mess-up. I'll correct this

The intent of the page was to justify why Data beings are 10-C and not Tier 11

 

[Sera_EX]

Data is not 10-C. Data should be ranked as Unknown until feats prove otherwise, unless in-universe it is considered lesser than a baseline human. How hard is that to understand? Feats are the cornerstone of vs debating and indexing, and take precedence before everything else. This thread and the belief that certain things are below human level or lower dimensional is the biggest problem on this site second only to the myth that is higher-dimensional hax.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Digimo should be the prime example for the Data Physiology page.

I also agree with Sera here.

 

[Andytrenom]

Uhm how would the belief that certain things are below human level be a problem?

 

[Sera_EX]

We're trying to be as accurate as we possibly can. It's also a double standard to consider data below human level and not other non-physical phenomena like souls and abstracts. It's a problem because it creates a cultural hive mindset that on top of being a double standard as I just mentioned, is also objectively false.

 

[Andytrenom]

So that's what you mean. In that case I agree.

 

[Antvasima]

Sera makes sense to me as well.

 

[Read_this_post]

But hold on. Going by the video i linked, wouldnt data technically have some kind of physical weight?

 

[Sera_EX]

Semantically speaking, yes. a stored data byte does actually have a physical weight, albeit a very, very small one - around 1 attogram, which is one-quintillionth of a gram. However I don't want us getting too scientific as it's not user-friendly to the average viewer. After all, the most prominent example of data-based fictional beings are Digimon and they have multiversal+ characters.

 

[Read_this_post]

Sorry but we cant just avoid using real physics and insert dumbed down/made up physics or saying everything is unquantifiable to avoid confusing the average user. There are examples of real physics being used everywhere on this wiki (sometimes being way more inconsistent with fiction) which are way more complex than stating that data is physical which is a fact.

If a being who is made of data is shown as something else like a digimon character or monika then they would not be below average. But if someone exists as normal data on a computer which is viewed as such by a normal human, then there is no reason to disregard what data actually is unless the verse itself contradicts it.

Also i really dont see what is confusing about "data has extremely small mass".

 

[Read_this_post]

Also i think a lot of examples of data being reality level are verses where reality is just simulated. Which is a different subject entirely.