Unofficial Powers and Abilities Addition Thread 2

[Monarch_Laciel]

Kinda disagree. Maxwell does that and it strikes me more as directly adding the concept to something

Really though, information manipulation and concept manipulation would overlap

 

[Andytrenom]

The standards of conceptual manipulation are currently changing the concept itself to trigger a change in the objects associated with the concept. I don't think adding new qualities to an object automatically implies directly altering a concept.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Is that our current standard? I'd think adding concepts to things would apply to...

 

[Agnaa]

Adding a concept to an object doesn't actually manipulate any concepts. It just adds a concept to a single object.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I mean

If you throw a fireball at something, that's still fire manipulation even if you aren't controlling the heat or colour of the flame.

I don't see why adding concepts to something directly wouldn't be concept manipulation.

 

[Andytrenom]

I do sometimes wonder if our current standards on conceptual manipulation are a bit too restrictive. But there's nothing I can do about it (or am eager to do about it, more accurately)

 

[Agnaa]

Right now it says concept manip's just for manipulating, creating, and/or destroying concepts, not applying existing concepts to new objects.

This could be changed through a simple CRT.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Might make one of those then

 

[Andytrenom]

I mean

If you throw a fireball at something, that's still fire manipulation even if you aren't controlling the heat or colour of the flame.

I don't see why adding concepts to something directly wouldn't be concept manipulation.

I think the analogy would be less throwing a fireball at someone and more throwing a person into a fire. You aren't manipulating the concept but rather someone's relation to a concept.

 

[Agnaa]

Well, even having a firey sword is considered Fire Manipulation, afaik.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Setting a person on fire might be the best analogy.

 

[Andytrenom]

There are so many ways a person could be set on fire that I don't think it is.

If you are talking about making a person spontaneously combust, I still don't think that's equatable to adding a new description to someone. The important part of conceptual manipulation is that you manipulate the abstract concept itself and making someone "round" wouldn't really imply producing the abstract idea of "roundness" inside someone like how making someone burn would imply producing flames inside someone.

Just so that I'm clear, this is only directed at the analogy of setting someone on fire, nothing else.

 

[Andytrenom]

Speaking of, there's an ability I made up that I wonder what it would classify as.

What power would directly altering the combustibility of a material be? The molecular or atomic composition of the material doesn't get tampered with but it can be made to combust out of nowhere even in vacuum.

"Property manipulation" if it gets made would describe this ability well, but are there pre-existing abilities here that can include it already?

 

[Bobsican]

Bubble Manip can technically drawn as something else, but that a rare

Are you sure about that? The power is common enought to deserve its own subcategory

 

[Agnaa]

Some Medaka Box characters have something that seems similar to me. The fundamental mechanism in this case is considered Word Manipulation and Reality Warping, but the applications are:

Turning any "thick" material "hot": Heat Manipulation and Elemental Manipulation

Erasing fire by combining it with water, no matter how little water there is compared to fire, as long as there's more fire than water: Elemental Manipulation

Turning ice (but no other frozen substance) into water, no matter how far below the point of freezing it is: Transmutation

These all similarly manipulate the properties of something without tampering with the composition in the way you'd normally need to to get that result. For now, that power would just need to go under Reality Warping, but it might just need a page.

 

[Agnaa]

Are you sure about that? The power is common enought to deserve its own subcategory

Even though being a skilled marksman or swordsman is really common in fiction, it doesn't get it's own subcategory of Weapon Mastery because there's not really a point in giving it one.

Bubble Manipulation is just limited Water Manipulation. It's not treated as having its own distinct resistance from Water Manipulation, it doesn't have special applications. It's like having a page for Fireball Creation.

 

[Bobsican]

We have a Sword Users category at least for that one, unlike for the Bubble´s case, which often functions way different than what conventional water manip would.

 

[Andytrenom]

Yeah, Category.

 

[Agnaa]

A Bubble Users category doesn't seem like a bad idea.

 

[Bobsican]

If anything, Bubble manip should be mentioned in the Water manip page.

 

[Agnaa]

I think Promestein's usually leading category-related matters, maybe ask her about it?

 

[Bobsican]

I´ll go ahead, it seems worth a try.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

The unique and interesting stuff I suggest get rejected on the spot and ***** like Bubble Manip actually gets some consideration. I'm like totally done with this site for reals lol

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I though that hijack was more about interrupting/altering another's power and/or using it as its own without absorbing it. Either way, wouldn't be a thing.

For example, if you used it on Jotaro Kujo, you would be able to move Star Platinum in a 2 metre radius around Jotaro.

 

[Antoniofer]

Yeah, we'll just leave it as Power Modification.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Not what it is at all.

 

[Antoniofer]

Mmm, I feel like Power Modification should have been called Power/Superpower Manipulation and it would cover more applications, now it seems like it only quite limited. What character can hijack (in the context fashion) the power of others by the way?

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Polnareff in his Chariot Requiem key, Novel Kars, Ikari from Binbougami Ga whose profile I am working on, The Godwoken etc.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

All For One can forcibly activate other people's powers

The First Spinjitzu Master has Oni powers, which allow one to hijack the powers of artifacts use for interdimensional travel from across realms.

Wally West can use it on other speedforce users.

Etc, etc

 

[Andytrenom]

The All for One example is currently considered body puppetry btw.

 

[DMB_1]

It's a mix of Body Puppetry some other Power-Related ability.

 

[Antoniofer]

If any, I suggest the change Power Modification to Power Manipulation and add more applications/possible uses.

 

[Skalt711]

^ What Antoniofer said.

 

[Solacis]

I can't believe that "Immortality Negation" isn't a thing. Can we make it a thing?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I can't believe that "Immortality Negation" isn't a thing. Can we make it a thing?

Power Nullification.

 

[Antoniofer]

We used to have Negation, but it was merged with Power Nullification (I still think it should have been the the other way around), so it would fall under that category now.

 

[Wokistan]

If you type Negation it links to Power Null, so you can still format things as "Negation of Regenerationn and Ressurectio" a la Liliana Vess.

 

[Bobsican]

I think Promestein's usually leading category-related matters, maybe ask her about it?

She doesn´t mind with the category itself at least

 

[Agnaa]

Many people here seem fine with just giving it a category, you should probably just go with that.

 

[Bobsican]

I´ll wait for her reply regarding a new page for the power itself for now.