- 26,160
- 3,653
Last one died because of procrastination, so getting this out of the way...
Flowey doesn't scale to Chara
He doesn't know for sure you're Chara, but assumes it (as implied when he says "you're empty inside me, just like me. In-fact... you're Chara, right?").
He believes Chara, power wise, is only equal to Frisk's soul ("I have a plan to become all-powerful. Even more powerful than you and your stolen soul"), never lives to see Chara's full power and never learned anything that would tell him how powerful Chara would become.
Also note that... he is wrong. His plan to become all powerful is the 6 human souls. Frisk alone, in the pacifist route, can stalemate Asriel with the power of 7 human souls (remember that he couldn't reset, which means Frisk had comparable amounts of DT).
There is no reason to assume he is referring to Chara as we see them at the end of the game (in-fact, he seems to be deluded into thinking Frisk or The Player is Chara, much like in the end of the pacifist route) when he said he is stronger, there is no reason to assume he even knows Chara can get that powerful, and no reason to assume he is right when Frisk alone has comparable DT to Asriel at his strongest.
He goes to Low 2-C, possibly 2-C because 6 save files. Only possibly 2-C because creating save files doesn't automatically translate to AP, and he never creates them at once, nor has he destroyed them all at once.
Asriel doesn't scale to Chara
Lack of proof, plain and simple. Nothing implies Asriel is comparable to Chara in power. Infinite stats really mean nothing here.
Chara's Abstract Existence
They say that "every time one of those (referring to stats) increases, that feeling... that's me". Based on only that, we assume they are a type 1 abstraction embodying every stat.
We don't assume they embody the feeling of megalovania (despite them stating to be that feeling, not the stat change itself), we don't assume the feeling is just Chara becoming stronger/gaining more control (causing you to feel the change),.
What we assume that they are a pure abstraction, impossible to kill until the concept exists, impossible to interact with, and that what we see at the end of genocide is just an avatar.
Why? Why would we make such a reach of an assumption? Why not assume type 3, or at most type 2. Why even assume abstraction because the character says "yup, that feeling's me bud"? Why not assume it's a parasitic ghost that makes you have "feelings" when your stats increase?
But this is not just pure skepticism (despite burden of proof making it fair). Chara says "You. With your guidance, I realized the purpose of my reincarnation. Power."
For someone that apparently became a type 1 multiverse spanning abstract, it sure is strange they needed guidance to discover it.
Chara's Immortalities
Type 1 should be added by default since they are past time.
Type 7 is unneeded, it only fits if you assume them to be a parasitic ghost, not an abstraction. So, one or the other.
Chara's Regenerationn
They became a parasitic being part of a soul, and as long as the soul exists so will they. That's not Mid-Godly, it's Low-Godly reliant on a soul. Not their own, but still reliant on a soul that they own existing. Voldemort isn't getting mid-godly only because his original's soul being destroyed doesn't stop the soul pieces he left in horcruxes from becoming full on people again.
Flowey doesn't scale to Chara
He doesn't know for sure you're Chara, but assumes it (as implied when he says "you're empty inside me, just like me. In-fact... you're Chara, right?").
He believes Chara, power wise, is only equal to Frisk's soul ("I have a plan to become all-powerful. Even more powerful than you and your stolen soul"), never lives to see Chara's full power and never learned anything that would tell him how powerful Chara would become.
Also note that... he is wrong. His plan to become all powerful is the 6 human souls. Frisk alone, in the pacifist route, can stalemate Asriel with the power of 7 human souls (remember that he couldn't reset, which means Frisk had comparable amounts of DT).
There is no reason to assume he is referring to Chara as we see them at the end of the game (in-fact, he seems to be deluded into thinking Frisk or The Player is Chara, much like in the end of the pacifist route) when he said he is stronger, there is no reason to assume he even knows Chara can get that powerful, and no reason to assume he is right when Frisk alone has comparable DT to Asriel at his strongest.
He goes to Low 2-C, possibly 2-C because 6 save files. Only possibly 2-C because creating save files doesn't automatically translate to AP, and he never creates them at once, nor has he destroyed them all at once.
Asriel doesn't scale to Chara
Lack of proof, plain and simple. Nothing implies Asriel is comparable to Chara in power. Infinite stats really mean nothing here.
Chara's Abstract Existence
They say that "every time one of those (referring to stats) increases, that feeling... that's me". Based on only that, we assume they are a type 1 abstraction embodying every stat.
We don't assume they embody the feeling of megalovania (despite them stating to be that feeling, not the stat change itself), we don't assume the feeling is just Chara becoming stronger/gaining more control (causing you to feel the change),.
What we assume that they are a pure abstraction, impossible to kill until the concept exists, impossible to interact with, and that what we see at the end of genocide is just an avatar.
Why? Why would we make such a reach of an assumption? Why not assume type 3, or at most type 2. Why even assume abstraction because the character says "yup, that feeling's me bud"? Why not assume it's a parasitic ghost that makes you have "feelings" when your stats increase?
But this is not just pure skepticism (despite burden of proof making it fair). Chara says "You. With your guidance, I realized the purpose of my reincarnation. Power."
For someone that apparently became a type 1 multiverse spanning abstract, it sure is strange they needed guidance to discover it.
Chara's Immortalities
Type 1 should be added by default since they are past time.
Type 7 is unneeded, it only fits if you assume them to be a parasitic ghost, not an abstraction. So, one or the other.
Chara's Regenerationn
They became a parasitic being part of a soul, and as long as the soul exists so will they. That's not Mid-Godly, it's Low-Godly reliant on a soul. Not their own, but still reliant on a soul that they own existing. Voldemort isn't getting mid-godly only because his original's soul being destroyed doesn't stop the soul pieces he left in horcruxes from becoming full on people again.
