UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Imaginym]

Thinking on it, the idea of it being about Dess is strange.

Undyne at one point refers to Kris saying "Oh, it's just Asgore's kid", for whatever that's worth. Would that be how she'd refer to him if he was a shameful predecessor?

& there's Rudy's dialogue:

Oh hey... now that Asriel's off to college... Y'think he's doing any CRAZY parties, like me and your dad? Heh, I'm just pulling your leg. Your dad was no party animal. Your MOTHER on the other hand...! Whoo! She'd alway fuss about going, but once the party started... Yikes, man! Once she hit me clear across the room with a key lime pie! I got smashed into the snack table and toppled everything! Tasty pie though. Couldn't complain. After all, me and Asgore were college pals, right?

He talks about Asgore & himself fondly. Rudy seems to care deeply for Noelle & is deeply unhappy he can't leave the hospital to care for her more. Surely he'd care for his other daughter, Dess, the same way, right?
He knows Noelle cares for Dess.
So presumably, he'd care for her, too.
So surely Rudy isn't happy that Dess is missing, right?

Yet he talks about Asgore & himself fondly.
As far as I can tell, the worst he says on the matter is "me and Asgore were college pals, right?", which could be interpreted as him saying they weren't/aren't "pals" after college. But that seems unlikely, no?


Surely even while bedridden, he would know about it, no?

 

[Imaginym]

Interesting point of timeline:

Have you seen him?

The writing style implies this was a young Noelle, & what it says indicates Dess was around back then for that.
It's seemingly before she wrote her Holiday Girl 1225 blog.

But Dess's disappeance was recent enough when Noelle was notably smaller (Based on the sprite sizes) as seen with the spelling bee flashback that being asked to spell for a spelling bee the word "December", she froze up.

Surely the spelling bee was at least least 2 years ago?
& if so, no way a dad, even one bedridden in a hospital, goes that long without learning the dark secret of the town of his daughter Dess's disappearance, right...?


(Sorry for doing so many posts all at once.)

 

[Chianli]

Checking elsewhere (I don't wanna try to find the footage of someone checking the papers on the wall.), it's something like this:

(You skimmed a news article about Undyne.)
New Police Chief Undyne's Explosive Debut ... passionate young rookie... becomes the new police chief.
Though energetic, it may be hard to live up to the legacy...
... after Asgore Dreemurr was removed from the force...
(... there's no need to read any more.)

That should be the in-game text, more or less.
Beyond that, a lot of people do suspect it involves Dess.

Though it's strange, because the article implies Asgore left the force while still having a good reputation, suggesting why he left didn't seem like a bad mark to most others, or at least, to whoever wrote the articles.

So it would seemingly have to be something that he, &/or Toriel would be upset about; We don't know his own stance, nor exactly why Toriel's upset with him.

Find it funny how you cant read more of it, either because kris doesnt want you to continue reading, or because meta reasons..

 

[Chianli]

Interesting point of timeline:

Have you seen him?

The writing style implies this was a young Noelle, & what it says indicates Dess was around back then for that.
It's seemingly before she wrote her Holiday Girl 1225 blog.

But Dess's disappeance was recent enough when Noelle was notably smaller (Based on the sprite sizes) as seen with the spelling bee flashback that being asked to spell for a spelling bee the word "December", she froze up.

Surely the spelling bee was at least least 2 years ago?
& if so, no way a dad, even one bedridden in a hospital, goes that long without learning the dark secret of the town of his daughter Dess's disappearance, right...?


(Sorry for doing so many posts all at once.)

Considering nobody seems to remember dess, and the implications of a deeper, darker worlds? What if she somehow manage to Decend TOO far?

 

[Imaginym]

Considering nobody seems to remember dess, and the implications of a deeper, darker worlds? What if she somehow manage to Decend TOO far?

Noelle definitely remembers Dess. She acts like Kris does.

"L-like when you told me ICE-E was real and eats kids... So Dess smacked you with a wiffle bat 'til you stopped lying."

As does Rudy.

"That angel? Noelle n' Dess made it in youth group."
But that's just family.


(While checking footage, noted that apparently Asgore gave Rudy flowers. They're in a glass dome. Allergy concerns? Some kind of respiratory issues? But otherwise, it may indicate they're on good terms, or not as worse as Toriel & Asgore, who trashes his flowers. Maybe Rudy just lacks the physical strength or emotional heart to do so? He does say he used up a lot of his energy when being talked to after Noelle's visit)


Also, I swear to goodness, I checked like 3 "visiting Rudy in the hospital videos" & 4 Longplays AND I CAN'T FIND ANYONE CHECKING THE DANG DOLL. (Mind it has to be with Susie present.)

But supposedly, there's this dialogue.

That angel?
Noelle n' Dess made it in youth group.
It's kind of like a good luck charm to me now.
Oh, right, you and Azzy tried to make one too...
But you wasted the whole time making huge wings for it!
(It's an angel doll.)
(Its lack of facial features is unsettling.)
... so why do you collect creepy dolls?
Hey, Noelle and her sister made that. Respect it!
(Noelle's sister...)

BUT OF COURSE EVERYONE CHECKS THE DANG SINK.
Shouldn't be "everything but the kitchen sink", it ought to be EVERYTHING BUT THE ANGEL DOLL!

....Sorry, sorry.

What brought my attention it was this from Dess's DR Wiki page:
If Kris inspects the angel doll in Rudy's hospital room, Susie begins to tease Rudy for keeping it, until she hears that Noelle made it with her sister. Susie is visibly perturbed at the mention of Dess and opts not to say anything more on the subject.

 

[Imaginym]

FOUND IT
4:49:09 in that video.

Curious of Rudy to say "Noelle and her sister".
Is it because Susie doesn't know of Dess & Rudy knows/presumes that?

Surely he isn't starting to forget Dess, right?

Susie's reaction is also curious, too. Was she not aware Noelle has/had a sister?
I guess this is in Pacifist Route, where Susie doesn't go into Noelle's Dark World bedroom that Queen made for Noelle, right?
Whereas in Snowgrave, she does go into it, but I don't recall if nor why Susie doesn't go to the hospital with Kris in that route.

 

[Metalballrun]

Right... Kinda a troll aren't we?

Are you genuinely offended?
Interesting.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Are you genuinely offended?
Interesting.

More than offended I'd say midly annoyed and disappointed at this blatant attempt to start random crap.

 

[Metalballrun]

Some canon vs. fanon memes are like that but you're being silly if you think "no one" has the correct interpretation of Sans' character, or any other known UT's character, for that matter.

I don't see the point of you writing all of that, nor do I know what compelled you to think this one in particular.
I was responding to a meme and being obviously a fair bit hyperbolic.

The only thing I'm legitimately surprised about is the fact that UT's issues with fanon/canon being prevalent seems incomprehensible news to some users here to the point that they might feel attacked.
Maybe I shouldn't have brought that up. I apologize if feathers have been ruffled, that was not the intention.

 

[Metalballrun]

More than offended I'd say midly annoyed and disappointed at this blatant attempt to start random crap.

Guess I was spot on.
I'll make myself scarce then.

 

[RinneItachi]

I don't see the point of you writing all of that, nor do I know what compelled you to think this one in particular.
I was responding to a meme and being obviously a fair bit hyperbolic.

The only thing I'm legitimately surprised about is the fact that UT's issues with fanon/canon being prevalent seems incomprehensible news to some users here to the point that they might feel attacked.
Maybe I shouldn't have brought that up. I apologize if feathers have been ruffled, that was not the intention.

The point is that I disagree with you.

You were responding to a meme with a take pretty much everyone here seems to disagree with.

So basically you're saying "Well I stated a fact and your opinions are invalid I'm sorry if that offends you snowflakes (but not really)" lol. Buddy we really don't care all that much. Chill out a little, you take things too seriously.

 

[Imaginym]

So, anyone got any theories on what it could be that happened with Asgore?

What we know:

(You skimmed a news article about Undyne.)
New Police Chief Undyne's Explosive Debut ... passionate young rookie... becomes the new police chief.
Though energetic, it may be hard to live up to the legacy...
... after Asgore Dreemurr was removed from the force...
(... there's no need to read any more.)

This tells us that:

1. Asgore may have been chief, based on phrasing.
2. Asgore was "removed" from the force. This suggests he didn't leave/quit.
3. The same article says "passionate young rookie", seemingly meaning Undyne, suggesting this new rookie's positioning happened around when Asgore was "removed"..
4. The phrase "it may be hard to live up to the legacy..." could be referring to Asgore, & would imply Asgore had a good legacy/reputation when he was "removed".

Oh hey... now that Asriel's off to college... Y'think he's doing any CRAZY parties, like me and your dad? Heh, I'm just pulling your leg. Your dad was no party animal. Your MOTHER on the other hand...! Whoo! She'd alway fuss about going, but once the party started... Yikes, man! Once she hit me clear across the room with a key lime pie! I got smashed into the snack table and toppled everything! Tasty pie though. Couldn't complain. After all, me and Asgore were college pals, right?

5. That dialogue from Rudy suggests he & Asgore, were -At least in college-, or still are, "pals".
6. The flowers in Rudy's hospital room -Which are curiously in a glass dome. Allergies?- are apparently from Asgore.

So Rudy doesn't mind them, or lacks the strength to trash the flowers like Toriel did?

Those points indicate Rudy & Asgore seem to be on -or were on- good terms, which I doubt would be the case if Asgore's reason for removal as police chief was something like failing to save Dess.

& Rudy does seem to remember Dess, at least with the line of "Hey, Noelle and her sister made that. Respect it!" about the angel doll.
So he might not have forgotten her?

So what could be bad enough that he'd removed, yet seemingly lack anyone upset with him besides Toriel?


Given this, why do you all think Asgore was removed from the force?

 

[Psychomaster35]

So I was suddenly beginning to think of something: since the combined effort of the recruited darkners of the Cyber World were able to form the Thrash Machine mecha which was able to fight GIGA Queen, do you think we could potentially scale them to GIGA Queen’s power divided by the amount of recruits since each of them used their power to create the mecha?

As evidence they were using their own power to power the mecha, there are these statements:

• My strongest JPEGs!
• My energy!

Somehow, I was able to remember this, and there weren't a lot of talks about how legitimate this is outside of a calculation, one person talking about it with reason, and that sock disagreeing with it for absolutely no reason.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Somehow, I was able to remember this, and there weren't a lot of talks about how legitimate this is outside of a calculation, one person talking about it with reason, and that sock disagreeing with it for absolutely no reason.

Tbh it's because we don't know how many inhabitants are there as an exact number. Maybe if it's like something like MTT then ig...

But even then, we don't have evidence of their power being summed in a linear way iirc.

 

[Imaginym]

It could also be that some of them contributed in disproportionally different amounts.

In theory, one recruit may have only contributed one one-hundredths worth of the power another kind did.

Also, isn't the Thrash Machine formed with varying numbers of recruits, or none at all, depending on the playthrough? Sorry, it's been a while.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Also, isn't the Thrash Machine formed with varying numbers of recruits, or none at all, depending on the playthrough? Sorry, it's been a while.

Depending on the amount of recruits you have, the Thrash Machine gains additional HP

 

[StrymULTRA]

Depending on the amount of recruits you have, the Thrash Machine gains additional HP

Yeah but that's still not a proof of linear increase, given how HPs work incredibly different than ATK and DEF.

 

[Imaginym]

Depending on the amount of recruits you have, the Thrash Machine gains additional HP

That is some credit to them for that, I suppose. Especially if not game mechanics.
Maybe Durability?
Does it influence anything else, though? Is its ATK recruit dependent, too?

Yeah but that's still not a proof of linear increase, given how HPs work incredibly different than ATK and DEF.

HP works incredibly different than ATK and DEF?

 

[StrymULTRA]

HP works incredibly different than ATK and DEF?

The playable characters have 160 HP max, yet can always deal hundreds of damage at their peak.

The bosses instead, while having thousands of HP, their damage never breaks beyond double digits, which makes me doubtful about HPs being usable for any form of scaling.

 

[Therefir]

The playable characters are just more durable, Susie for example in her battle, can only deal 20~ damage to Kris and Ralsei.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The playable characters are just more durable, Susie for example in her battle, can only deal 20~ damage to Kris and Ralsei.

Susie also only takes 20~ damage from Kris and Ralsei

 

[StrymULTRA]

The playable characters are just more durable, Susie for example in her battle, can only deal 20~ damage to Kris and Ralsei.

Or maybe, ya know, the HPs of the playable characters work differently? Just like Frisk has at max 99 HP but bosses have easily >1k lmao.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Or maybe, ya know, the HPs of the playable characters work differently? Just like Frisk has at max 99 HP but bosses have easily >1k lmao.

Boss Susie and Playable Susie have the same HP tho

 

[StrymULTRA]

Boss Susie and Playable Susie have the same HP tho

Forgor.

Still wouldn't take every darkner in existence as having low af ATK and high af DEF, that's kinda weird ya know

 

[RinneItachi]

Actual battle stats aren't applicable to scaling. Otherwise we'd be saying Muffet>Undyne or that God Asriel's defense is the same as Undyne the Undying. The CHECK stats are sorta relevant albeit impossible to quantify but that's it.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Queen and Berdly are in a tournament

Don't mindlessly vote but yeah take a look and maybe help em out if the arguments make sense

 

[StrymULTRA]

Lifting Strenght nerfs for y'all.

 

[Imaginym]

Small bit of Undertale news.

Spoiler: Reddit Links automatically preview on the forum

People finally got into the code of the XBox version, & some of the discoveries include:
1 or 2 secret messages from the game/Toby to those who find it.

The full controller disconnected message:

Spoiler: Twitter links also automatically preview on the forum

There may be other details found, but I dunno of much. (& it's just the findings in a different console versions. My expectations aren't at a high bar to begin with....)

Spoilered image is the full True Lab controller disconnected message, which cannot normally be fully seen in-game.


Anyway, thoughts on all this, all?
Apologies if this isn't stuff that's okay to post.

 

[RinneItachi]

Small bit of Undertale news.

Spoiler: Reddit Links automatically preview on the forum

People finally got into the code, & some of the discoveries include:
1 or 2 secret messages from the game/Toby to those who find it.

The full controller disconnected message:

Spoiler: Twitter links also automatically preview on the forum

There may be other details found, but I dunno of much. (& it's just the findings in a different console versions. My expectations aren't at a high bar to begin with....)

Spoilered image is the full True Lab controller disconnected message, which cannot normally be fully seen in-game.


Anyway, thoughts on all this, all?
Apologies if this isn't stuff that's okay to post.

Yes it's okay to post.

Also good find my guy. I haven't seen this but this is pretty big all things considered. I mean there is a very obvious correlation with connections here between this and Deltarune.

We know with certainty now that the red soul is the Player's soul. Toby aluded to it in a stream and it was confirmed by Chapter 2. The red soul is our soul, and it is possessing Kris. Obviously it's not hard to come up with the idea that it was the same for Frisk and in my opinion this pretty much confirms it. Especially because the text specifically says "No heart is connected" TWICE.

I doubt that's just a grammatical error. The text was listing a bunch of different body parts, the actual physical heart being included. Then at the end it mentions a heart again, which could only refer to the heart-shaped-souls in the Tobyverse as a heart was already mentioned.

So if it wasn't clear enough already, it's very clear with this canonically speaking that the way we access these games is via our soul (represented in the game as a heart of course) controlling the vessel, Frisk and Kris respectively. Seeing as this is text for when the controller disconnects thereby removing our "connection" to Frisk.

 

[Imaginym]

Yes it's okay to post.

Also good find my guy. I haven't seen this but this is pretty big all things considered. I mean there is a very obvious correlation with connections here between this and Deltarune.

Thanks.

We know with certainty now that the red soul is the Player's soul. Toby aluded to it in a stream and it was confirmed by Chapter 2.

He did? What did he say?

The red soul is our soul, and it is possessing Kris.

Keep in mind, the found statement is from UNDERTALE on the XBox, not Deltarune.

Obviously it's not hard to come up with the idea that it was the same for Frisk and in my opinion this pretty much confirms it. Especially because the text specifically says "No heart is connected" TWICE.

Indeed. Although, "No heart is connected" could be because both Frisk (One "heart"/SOUL) & Chara (A second "heart"/SOUL) are present, even without counting the player.

I doubt that's just a grammatical error. The text was listing a bunch of different body parts, the actual physical heart being included. Then at the end it mentions a heart again, which could only refer to the heart-shaped-souls in the Tobyverse as a heart was already mentioned.

So if it wasn't clear enough already, it's very clear with this canonically speaking that the way we access these games is via our soul (represented in the game as a heart of course) controlling the vessel, Frisk and Kris respectively. Seeing as this is text for when the controller disconnects thereby removing our "connection" to Frisk.

My concern is it's different. Besides this being a "controller disconnected" message we can't see in full for a game originally released in PC which would thus likely be played with keyboard, there's the mannerisms.

W. D. Gaster

Tra la la. Beware of the man who speaks in hands. River Person W. D. Gaster was the Royal Scientist before Alphys, and was stated to have irreplaceable brilliance.[1] Gaster's Followers imply that he created the CORE[2] and has disappeared. During normal gameplay, W. D. Gaster is typically...

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Gaster's dialogue seems to be mostly in all caps.

The same is true in the introduction, which is relevant if it is Gaster.

Introduction

Introduction (also known as Survey) is the beginning of Chapter 1 of Deltarune. During this segment, the window title is "CONTACT" on the PC version. During the introduction, a mysterious voice asks the player to create a vessel, name the vessel, then provide their own name. However, the vessel...

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& said segment does open with "ARE WE CONNECTED?" in all-caps.
Even with only a SOUL present, it deems it's connected & begins the "survey" of Deltarune's intro - yet this message checks twice, in very close proximity, as if expecting two to be present.

Yet this anatomy check doesn't use all-caps. & a Royal Scientist not using the official, technical term like SOUL when even Alphys, his ostensible inferior did? Why would he call it a "heart"?
Plus, Deltarune is the game where he was scattered across time & space, & this message only happens for a controller disconnect in The True Lab.
Other controller disconnect messages are less serious like "No Controlly Cannoli".

With Gaster being scattered, I find it unlikely he'd be encountered, let alone able to maintain a monitoring connection of multiple parts & give a thorough notice of disconnect on a literal moment's notice.

If this were Deltarune Gaster, it'd be more plausible, but little suggests Undertale, where Frisk/Chara ventures up a mountain, falls into The Underground, ventures down, frees/defeats all the monsters there & then goes on to live peacefully, is part of some Gaster-monitored simulation where he has surveillance so tight.

& with the mannerisms & terminology inconsistent with Gaster, & being a bit at odds with Undertale's universe, I think that this message could just be an Easter Egg, &/or likely from whoever "Another Him" is, in the DR intro, whom discards the vessel.

Plus, if this were such a plot important revelation (Undertale is a Gaster-controlled/monitored simulation.), it'd be weird to put this reveal through something inconsistent to Gaster, aligning with the mannerisms of a non-Undertale DR character ("Another Him") & put it in only in a single version of a console release of UT released years after Undertale.

If this is DR info, I'd expect it should be in DR. (Although, PC game, so maybe when it gets a console release...?)


(Also, wouldn't the connection still be "active" in a sense; Animations, including idles one & stuff can still proceed while the controller is disconnected, no?)

I do genuinely appreciate your thoughts, but I have my own suspicions about this message, & I do wanna go over things thoroughly. No offense meant.

 

[RinneItachi]

He did? What did he say?

In the stream that led to the Chapter 2 reveal/announcement, while they were playing Chapter 1, in the scene where Susie fights Lancer, the red soul comes from the upper left or right section of the screen where Kris and Ralsei are and comes to Susie, and Toby points it out in particular.

Keep in mind, the found statement is from UNDERTALE on the XBox, not Deltarune.

I just meant that we know Kris is controlled by our soul for a fact, and was leading to the idea that it controls Frisk too.

Indeed. Although, "No heart is connected" could be because both Frisk (One "heart"/SOUL) & Chara (A second "heart"/SOUL) are present, even without counting the player.

That's plausible but I doubt it. The first notion of a heart is in reference to an actual physical body part, going in line with skin, limbs, teeth, eyes, etc.. It was referring to the actual material heart in the body.

My concern is it's different. Besides this being a "controller disconnected" message we can't see in full for a game originally released in PC which would thus likely be played with keyboard, there's the mannerisms.

W. D. Gaster

Tra la la. Beware of the man who speaks in hands. River Person W. D. Gaster was the Royal Scientist before Alphys, and was stated to have irreplaceable brilliance.[1] Gaster's Followers imply that he created the CORE[2] and has disappeared. During normal gameplay, W. D. Gaster is typically...

undertale.fandom.com

Gaster's dialogue seems to be mostly in all caps.

The same is true in the introduction, which is relevant if it is Gaster.

Introduction

Introduction (also known as Survey) is the beginning of Chapter 1 of Deltarune. During this segment, the window title is "CONTACT" on the PC version. During the introduction, a mysterious voice asks the player to create a vessel, name the vessel, then provide their own name. However, the vessel...

deltarune.fandom.com

& said segment does open with "ARE WE CONNECTED?" in all-caps.
Even with only a SOUL present, it deems it's connected & begins the "survey" of Deltarune's intro - yet this message checks twice, in very close proximity, as if expecting two to be present.

Yet this anatomy check doesn't use all-caps. & a Royal Scientist not using the official, technical term like SOUL when even Alphys, his ostensible inferior did? Why would he call it a "heart"?
Plus, Deltarune is the game where he was scattered across time & space, & this message only happens for a controller disconnect in The True Lab.
Other controller disconnect messages are less serious like "No Controlly Cannoli".

With Gaster being scattered, I find it unlikely he'd be encountered, let alone able to maintain a monitoring connection of multiple parts & give a thorough notice of disconnect on a literal moment's notice.

If this were Deltarune Gaster, it'd be more plausible, but little suggests Undertale, where Frisk/Chara ventures up a mountain, falls into The Underground, ventures down, frees/defeats all the monsters there & then goes on to live peacefully, is part of some Gaster-monitored simulation where he has surveillance so tight.

& with the mannerisms & terminology inconsistent with Gaster, & being a bit at odds with Undertale's universe, I think that this message could just be an Easter Egg, &/or likely from whoever "Another Him" is, in the DR intro, whom discards the vessel.

Plus, if this were such a plot important revelation (Undertale is a Gaster-controlled/monitored simulation.), it'd be weird to put this reveal through something inconsistent to Gaster, aligning with the mannerisms of a non-Undertale DR character ("Another Him") & put it in only in a single version of a console release of UT released years after Undertale.

If this is DR info, I'd expect it should be in DR. (Although, PC game, so maybe when it gets a console release...?)


(Also, wouldn't the connection still be "active" in a sense; Animations, including idles one & stuff can still proceed while the controller is disconnected, no?)

I do genuinely appreciate your thoughts, but I have my own suspicions about this message, & I do wanna go over things thoroughly. No offense meant.

I think that this is overthinking it a tad. Sometimes Toby just likes to slip in easter eggs without being very specific or insinuating something in particular. The fact it can only happen in the True Lab says a lot though. But keep in mind that could very likely also just be because the True Lab is the "spooky area" of the game. So the disconnection screen there is a bit creepy.

I think that what Toby is getting at here is a further implication that the red soul is our gateway into these worlds, and that it applies to Undertale as well, not just Deltarune. That doesn't inherently need to be tied to Deltarune.

 

[Imaginym]

In the stream that led to the Chapter 2 reveal/announcement, while they were playing Chapter 1, in the scene where Susie fights Lancer, the red soul comes from the upper left or right section of the screen where Kris and Ralsei are and comes to Susie, and Toby points it out in particular.

Ah, thank you.

I just meant that we know Kris is controlled by our soul for a fact, and was leading to the idea that it controls Frisk too.

At least partially, but yeah. (I can't recall, but there may be implied dialogue between them & NPCs which the player lacks agency in, not to mention them speaking to Asriel.)

That's plausible but I doubt it. The first notion of a heart is in reference to an actual physical body part, going in line with skin, limbs, teeth, eyes, etc.. It was referring to the actual material heart in the body.

But don't Monsters, like Gaster would be, have bodies made of magic? A heart-shaped-object may be a SOUL to them first rather than the vasculatory organ, no?

I think that this is overthinking it a tad. Sometimes Toby just likes to slip in easter eggs without being very specific or insinuating something in particular. The fact it can only happen in the True Lab says a lot though. But keep in mind that could very likely also just be because the True Lab is the "spooky area" of the game. So the disconnection screen there is a bit creepy.

Could be.

The True Lab is also the only place connected to Gaster; If any location had a strong scattered "fragment", it might be there.
But I do still think the dialogue doesn't align with mannerisms, & is more in line with the DR Intro's 2nd individual, since where Gaster(?) went to effort to contact a SOUL & construct a vessel for it, the 2nd speaker dismisses & discards the Vessel. I think if anyone would disregard the terminology SOUL & call it a heart, speaking so mechanically, it'd be them or MAYBE a literal machine. But even a literal machine might use the Monster-intuitive term of "SOUL", no?

Arguably over-thinking further I think it's also interesting "heart" is mentioned twice; A scientific method or a program indeed might double check or have multiple things or failsafes that would care about that. But contrary to that notion, they're not successive, & in fact, interrupted by the teeth check, which, because teeth are more numerous before adulthood.

I think that what Toby is getting at here is a further implication that the red soul is our gateway into these worlds, and that it applies to Undertale as well, not just Deltarune. That doesn't inherently need to be tied to Deltarune.

Perhaps. But then who or what is detecting it? How & why?

Apologies if you mind my rambling.

 

[ShionAH]

So MHS+ Undertale is kinda happening. Opinions?

ALSO WHEN GASTER PROFILE?

 

[Omegabronic]

So MHS+ Undertale is kinda happening. Opinions?

........? Excuse me? WHAT?

ALSO WHEN GASTER PROFILE?

when we have something about him

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

........? Excuse me? WHAT?

Supposedly Knight Knight might get back to 8-C

 

[RinneItachi]

At least partially, but yeah. (I can't recall, but there may be implied dialogue between them & NPCs which the player lacks agency in, not to mention them speaking to Asriel.)

There is. Frisk has an actual voice in-game and their appearance isn't the same as what we see. They are even noted as making expressions multiple times even though we only ever see the -_- face. Frisk and Kris are actual beings in the game with their own lives, it's just that we possess them.

But don't Monsters, like Gaster would be, have bodies made of magic? A heart-shaped-object may be a SOUL to them first rather than the vasculatory organ, no?

Yes but the mention of other body parts also wouldn't be consistent at that point. Monster's are made of dust and magic brought to life via their soul. The narrator in this instance is referring to a presumably human body and it being connected to a soul. Which makes more sense in the context that we're losing connection to Frisk, who we are controlling.

Could be.

The True Lab is also the only place connected to Gaster; If any location had a strong scattered "fragment", it might be there.
But I do still think the dialogue doesn't align with mannerisms, & is more in line with the DR Intro's 2nd individual, since where Gaster(?) went to effort to contact a SOUL & construct a vessel for it, the 2nd speaker dismisses & discards the Vessel. I think if anyone would disregard the terminology SOUL & call it a heart, speaking so mechanically, it'd be them or MAYBE a literal machine. But even a literal machine might use the Monster-intuitive term of "SOUL", no?

Arguably over-thinking further I think it's also interesting "heart" is mentioned twice; A scientific method or a program indeed might double check or have multiple things or failsafes that would care about that. But contrary to that notion, they're not successive, & in fact, interrupted by the teeth check, which, because teeth are more numerous before adulthood.

All good theories but we just can't really know for sure. I severely doubt that the narrator in this instance is Gaster because Gaster exclusively and specifically talks in uppercase, and the manner of speaking itself is very different. I wouldn't quite say that the True Lab is the ONLY place connected to Gaster, just one of the very few definitive places that is maybe the most connected to him, especially on the Undertale side of things.

Perhaps. But then who or what is detecting it? How & why?

In this case not a particular entity, but overall it's definitely Gaster. On the Undertale side of things it's not certain but very likely to be Gaster as well. Typing his name resets the game for example, and considering that you can type it in the Mettaton EX question with no problems it seems to not just be some kind of thing where just saying it has consequences, and that makes me think that Gaster is responsible.

This just me but also the sound test room seems like Gaster directly interacting with us. Considering his love of surveys it def doesn't seem out of reach.

And yeah in Deltarune he's 100% the one controlling everything like it's not even a question at this point. It's being heavily implied that he outright made Deltarune lore-wise.

 

[Imaginym]

There is. Frisk has an actual voice in-game and their appearance isn't the same as what we see. They are even noted as making expressions multiple times even though we only ever see the -_- face. Frisk and Kris are actual beings in the game with their own lives, it's just that we possess them.

Ah, thanks.

Yes but the mention of other body parts also wouldn't be consistent at that point. Monster's are made of dust and magic brought to life via their soul. The narrator in this instance is referring to a presumably human body and it being connected to a soul. Which makes more sense in the context that we're losing connection to Frisk, who we are controlling.

Fair.

All good theories but we just can't really know for sure. I severely doubt that the narrator in this instance is Gaster because Gaster exclusively and specifically talks in uppercase, and the manner of speaking itself is very different. I wouldn't quite say that the True Lab is the ONLY place connected to Gaster, just one of the very few definitive places that is maybe the most connected to him, especially on the Undertale side of things.

Yeah, saying the True Lab is the "only place" was misspeaking on my part.

In this case not a particular entity, but overall it's definitely Gaster.

Hm? How do you mean "not a particular entity"? We don't know that Gaster is scattered, so isn't he a particular being? & didn't you just say "I severely doubt that the narrator in this instance is Gaster", regarding to the narrator for the DR Intro?
Or do you mean for the UT XBox Controller Disconnect message?
Sorry for my scatter-brainedness.

On the Undertale side of things it's not certain but very likely to be Gaster as well. Typing his name resets the game for example, and considering that you can type it in the Mettaton EX question with no problems it seems to not just be some kind of thing where just saying it has consequences, and that makes me think that Gaster is responsible.

That's an interesting point.

This just me but also the sound test room seems like Gaster directly interacting with us. Considering his love of surveys it def doesn't seem out of reach.

You mean about how his themes can lock players into them?

And yeah in Deltarune he's 100% the one controlling everything like it's not even a question at this point. It's being heavily implied that he outright made Deltarune lore-wise.

Ostensibly, although there do seem to be two speakers during contact, the one who guides through the Goner Maker, & the one who discards the resulting vessel.
Surely 1 of them is Gaster & the other isn't, & I doubt Gaster is the discarder.

 

[RinneItachi]

Hm? How do you mean "not a particular entity"? We don't know that Gaster is scattered, so isn't he a particular being? & didn't you just say "I severely doubt that the narrator in this instance is Gaster", regarding to the narrator for the DR Intro?
Or do you mean for the UT XBox Controller Disconnect message?
Sorry for my scatter-brainedness.

I mean I don't think that the text in this case comes from an actual character in the game.

You mean about how his themes can lock players into them?

Well that and just because the sound test room itself is probably made by Gaster.

Ostensibly, although there do seem to be two speakers during contact, the one who guides through the Goner Maker, & the one who discards the resulting vessel.
Surely 1 of them is Gaster & the other isn't, & I doubt Gaster is the discarder.

Gaster is def the first one. I mean literally the theme song that plays for the character speaking is his theme but slowed down, and it's titled "Another Him", with Gaster often being referred to by pronouns, and this likely being a different Gaster. Then you have the fact that it is almost certainly the same entity as the one on Twitter (again 99% certainly Gaster) AND the entity in the text when downloading the game.

 

[Imaginym]

I mean I don't think that the text in this case comes from an actual character in the game.

Ah, that makes sense.

the entity in the text when downloading the game.

I don't recall the details of this. Anyone willing to fill me in, please?

 

[RinneItachi]

Ah, that makes sense.

I don't recall the details of this. Anyone willing to fill me in, please?

The original Deltarune file with the name SURVEY PROGRAM, in the install boxes, he speaks again.