Yes i am, the invulnerability hax makes him hard to harm, so the hax is noted in the durabilitt section, EXACTLY LIKE I SAID, nothing there reads "invulnerability raises his durability" it lists it there because invulnerability makes you unable to get harmed conventionally, so you get harder to harm conventionally
Not actually. "She ignores the effects of forces on herself and is thus effectively invulnerable, and she can share this ability with others".
it is said that the intent of whataboutism is to distract from the main topic just to make it more valid, using hypocrisy, for example. I'm using another profile to show that INV adds to durability, It's totally comparison. Whataboutism is like “OK, so you're arguing that religion is inherently divisive, but what about all the happiness that religion brings?” When I'm literally just using Compare and Contrast by saying that despite the profiles being different, they share the same thing, which is the use of Invulnerability, and where this adds to Durability.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't even know what your point is. Are you saying that Frisk gains Durability during i frames? Because there's a great difference in gaining durability and gaining invulnerability. One can't be bypassed by sheer AP.
But it adds to your speed stat once you gain Omnipresence. The definition of speed is how fast a character can move to point A to point B. So it's purely how fast you can switch spots given an amount of time. Omnipresence is basically you being at any time, at any place.
My point is that Frisk increases their durability by increasing their INV frames once wearing the Torn Notebook and Cloudy Glasses.
Yes, but both adds to the same goal. You can gain conventional durability by wearing armor, but you can also gain level of durability by having Invulnerability as a hax, because although one cannot be harmed by sheer AP, it can be harmed by Dura Neg, which can add to AP as well due to being hax. Hax can add to stats as I showed above. So basically, Frisk increasing their INV frames is them increasing their durability as well since it mitigates Sans' KARMA damage.
Omnipresent (This is technically a state of being, rather than a speed, but has consequences for combat similar to that of a speed statistic. It applies to characters that exist throughout all of a given space and/or time. For practical comparisons, each case requires more detailed consideration and explanations such as throughout which space the character is omnipresent and if they are omnipresent throughout time as well. Some characters can also be omnipresent only throughout time, but not space, which should be noted as "Temporal Omnipresence" in the affected profile pages)
I see what you mean. What you're suggesting would actually give Frisk an extra layer of Invulnerability or just make it slightly better, not downgrade Sans' Dura Neg.
Not only that, but Invulnerability can change your level of durability stat once you have it, because as you said, it works just like durability calc, but with it being a hax instead. Still it adds to your Durability points, then it should not be ignored that Frisk can increase their durability during battle by gaining Invulnerability frames. INV is gaining durability by different means instead of just wearing conventional armor.
No, not at all. It would downgrade Sans' KARMA dura neg since if you increase your level of Invulnerability, KARMA hits you way slower and deals even less damage thanks to the amount of INV frames you have. Which is not different from when you wear more armor to make monsters' damage lower. Frisk is just increasing their INV level, which is possible as said in the Invulnerability Wiki.
Invulnerabilty doesn't make you more durable by default, you would need yo show evidence for that
Yes it is very different because stronger armor than the clouldy glasses and the notebook don't change anything at all to KR
Yes it does? If you're invulnerable to conventional harm, it makes you more durable and thus adds to your durability. I literally sent you two examples of INV increasing the characters' durability by having INV as hax.
No, if you are invulnerable you straight up ignore how strong an attack is and simply doesn't take damage at all
No you didn't, you sent 2 chars who use of haxes to never get harmed at all regardless of their durability
What I am starting to believe is that KARMA would only get nerfed if the character has a decent level of Invulnerability then? Because it is shown that enough INV can nerf KARMA damage.
Consider this: INV isn't canon and is just a game mechanic
But it can amp Durability tho as I showed above. Although not having the same methods, it amps your durability via hax or items.
INV isn't invulnerability it's invulnerability duration.
You're missing the point entirely here. Invulnerability DOES make you invulnerable to damage, which adds to durability thanks to hax or items. However it is still possible to pierce this with a level of AP that can be achieved by Dura Neg via hax or Items.
Then you did not read the profiles right. Sonic's profile on durability literally amps his durability by stating his invulnerability hax from his forms, which as I stated before, can change your status even if they are just hax. This is starting to get tiring...
No, it doesn't "add" to durability. It FUNCTIONS the same as durability. There's no such thing as hax that "add" to stats except for stat amplification.
I'm pretty sure it is canon, since it is stated in the game's description of items once you get. And since all of them are canon, I don't see why this would not be.
When I mean "add" I say that it is treated as an AMP on your durability regardless of it being hax or not. I gave Sonic's example where he has his common durability, and then when he gains INV, his durability gets amped because of it.
Those are just explaining to the player how the INV stat works, not that it's canon
Then DEF, ATK would not be canon as well since they are treated the same way as INV: Pure stats. Stats in UT are canon as Sans says in the corridor.
Except INV isn't a stat in the same way as ATK or DEF, it doesn't get higher as you gain more LV for example.
INV is a stat unique to Undertale, with its own properties, we cannot interpolate a Resistance that comes from a stat to any random character that has some kind of invulnerability.
it doesn't "add" to your durability, your durability stays the same regardless of invulnerability
Dura Neg is not AP in the slightiest
No it doesn't, it says that it makes him harm to kill and harm, just like how frisk has their revival and time manip on their durability section for the same reason
Just some AU stuff
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