It actually adds to durability, because then it wouldn't make sense for it to be bypassed by dura neg if it isn't durability in some sort. And as far as I remember, Sans lost to a 2-A character because of their huge gap of durability so.. I don't see how this follows.
No. It's just being immune to physical damage, not increasing the durability.
Lost because of ignorance and bias to be fair.
invulnerability is not adding to Durability, it is a Hax that prevents damage
he didn't lost because of that, it was because of the army of drones it had
But if you're invulnerable to physical damage then it means a change on your durability. Sonic, for example, when in his super form, is completely invulnerable and can tank basically any kind of damage, even if it's temporary, it adds to his durability somehow before his form ends.
Ignorance and bias? I dont see why, everything was pretty solid there. Large size, drones, huge AP gap.
But if it's not some sort of addition to durability, why Dura Neg is needed to bypass this hax then?
Because hax circumvents hax.
He's invulnerable even to stuff of his own tier, btw. Only people with Chaos Energy can bypass it in-verse, he's not invulnerable only because he becomes 2-A
Yes, but then that means if you need to use a hax that ignores durability to bypass a hax that somehow adds to the other's durability, it means that hax can add to the character's abilities or status. Persona users are a good example of this. So invulnerability should, somehow, add to someone's durability for a limited time depending on the situation, like Frisk, for example.
That's not my point. What I'm saying is that even tho he becomes invulnerable due to Chaos Energy, it still adds to his durability since he is no longer able to be damaged or harmed and the only option to bypass this is using another form of the same sort which has dura neg. And with his transformations, all of his status changes as well. His invulnerability is also set to be part of his durability status in his wiki. So that proves me enough that invulnerability can add to your durability somehow even tho it is hax.He's invulnerable even to stuff of his own tier, btw. Only people with Chaos Energy can bypass it in-verse, he's not invulnerable only because he becomes 2-A
Why can't you understand that invulnerability does not add anything, but only negs physical damage through hax? Why can't you get it? Why? Why? Why?
That's dumb then.
The fact that characters mention it + the game is meta af about game mechanic make me think more of the former.
What character mentions it?
Because every single character that has Invulnerability in their profile adds to their durability as well. I literally searched for all of them in the page of invulnerability and all of them have their durability changed thanks to Invulnerability, doesn't matter if it's just hax. Why is different with Frisk when they have the same thing but limited? You guys are lacking proof to make this look false, and I have an entire load of other profiles proving that what you guys are saying is pure bias.
Oh, then you should call all the character's profiles with Invulnerability dumb, because most of them have Invulnerability adding to their durability somehow. Clearly, the others are the problem, not your lack of evidence of this being false.
I was 100% sure Temmie did, but guess it did not.
I mean, this is more just adding hax which adds more reasons on why they're hard to kill (Huh), plus it'd added after their dura feats without Invulnerability,
Yes, and? It still doesn't change the fact that it adds to their durability somehow. If a character has invulnerability, then their durability will get a change because Invulnerability makes you tank attacks more. As I said up there, hax can still change your AP, Durability or speed depending on it, take a look at Persona users' profiles and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Um... I don't think so, I don't think so at all. Also, even if this is the case for some characters, why would this disprove the fact that once they got invulnerability, their durability changed? Like, their durability didn't stand the same after gaining INV, which means that yes, INV changes your durability, and all the profiles shows this to us.
"It can be considered the defensive equivalent of Durability Negation".
Yeah, I don't think it has grounds to stand as an ability here
That is because 1 dmg is the minimum of what a monster can deal to you. The Asriel fight is not a valid point since the game was currently being broken by him and a ton of Determination was used on Frisk for them to tank damage without dying and reaching 00000000.1 HP, it's purely for a special event since determination is the power of persisting even after dying. Also, the limited amount of DEF you can get is 99 If I remember correctly.
Well, following the logic of INV adding to durability, this should note as Frisk increasing their durability to prevent Sans from dealing the same amount of KARMA damage he usually does. It's the same as monsters' magic not dealing the same damage depending on your DEF, but with Sans' case, it's INV, which as I stated above can add to durability as well. So I think it's a pretty solid argument to downgrade his dura neg to limited since he won't be doing the same amount of damage with KARMA depending on your armor.
Asriel fight still proves you can take less than 1 damage. Even if it seems to be a special case we have no inlore explanation to it so we cannot make assumptionts. Btw assuming all monsters deal 1 damage at minimum means all of them have dura neg which you know...is weird
INV frames /=/ Durability because otherwise the normal armours would also help in battle.
Not to mention that the DEF Chara has at the end of Genocide through items is not accounted at all in the damage calculation of KR.
That because of determination, as I said, It is a special case purely because of Frisk's determination taking over the timeline and thus preventing them from dying for a fatal blow. Asriel himself says that Frisk is just alive because of this. So the inlore explanation is purely determination, and because the game was being broken by Asriel as he himself says that as well while completely destroying the game with one fatal blow. And... no? Saying that all monsters deal 1 damage at minimum means that they CANNOT deal less than 1 damage at you, that doesn't mean they have dura neg, it means that they have to AT LEAST deal 1 dmg at you, otherwise they miss the attack.
No? Not at all. INV frames counts as Invulnerability, which can ADD to durability in a different form. The other armors we have purely increases DEF, which is just common and raw durability. INV frames are Invulnerability that increases how much you'll be completely invulnerable to common attacks, it's another mean for you to increase your durability without raising your DEF. As I said and stated on other profiles, INV can increase your durability even if you have a low DEF depending on the case, and Frisk is the same here. So this logic does not apply.
Magically amplify their INV frames is basically increase how much they'll be invulnerable, thus, adding to their durability since Invulnerability can change your durability as well. DEF is not the only way to do this, just like wearing armor is not the only way for you to get more durability. But that's.. not logical? 9-A Frisk can still die by a Froggit, and can still die by Undyne as well, should that mean they also have true dura neg? Excatly, nope. Following lore wise, Sans never killed Chara in the genocide route and they killed him in their first try, so.. that argument doesn't follow well here.
Yes, because it's the DEF stats. I'm talking about the INV frames that are another means to increase your durability and negate Sans' KARMA overall same damage.
no it isn't, it is only noted that it makes him harder to harm in the durability section
Sans killed the player likely atleast 10 times because of his lines
Which also means that it adds to his durability, like, his level of durability literally changes once he gains Invulnerability. Want another example? Here
“she is incredibly difficult to damage”
Which aren't canon, because it's totally a "what if?". Then that means if Chara dies by a Froggit it will be canon because the FUN values changes? Same with Undyne? So yeah, no. There's nothing in the game saying that Chara died 10 times to Sans canonically, is purely the player's skill that will decide it. But If you beat Sans without dying, that's literally what it has to be, it's what the main goal of the genocide route wants; not dying and killing everyone. In the pacifist route, for example, Sans takes that you did not die a single time even if you DO die in the route, meaning that it does not matter if you die or not.
And as I explained before, increasing their INV frames is basically amplifying their Invulnerability, which as I stated before with different profiles that DOES add to durability even tho they are not wearing conventional armor. It's the same as Sonic increasing his Invulnerability with rings in his super form; he's not wearing armor, he's literally just with another level of durability thanks to what his form gives. You literally just said why this is increasing their durability, because increasing how much their INV tanks is basically increasing how much it will add to their durability as well. Invulnerability adds to Durability, all INV users have this. Frisk should not be different as well.
It's a defensive ability that changes your level of durability when you gain it, does not matter how much your conventional durability is, it WILL get changed once INV strikes in. I've sent lots of examples for this. Invulnerability is not Durability, but ADDS to your Durability depending on the case, and Frisk is one of these cases.
no it doesn't, his durability level doesn't change at all with his invulnerability
You mean the one that is using physics manipulation to make herself impossible to interacted as she repulses all that would do so? That is not durability at all
And how is that a downgrade on my argument by any chance? She ignoring with her powers is still INV, because INV IS literally a power that adds to your durability. If you actually read the other profile I sent, you'd see that being a hax or not does not prevent it from changing your durability by any chance.
Dude..? Are you reading it properly?
She is using her hax to stop attacks from hurting her. She isnt Invulnerable just hard to damage.
Buddy. You are showing random profiles to prove a point about another profile. Thats whataboutism.
Invulnerability is like durability in the sense that it affects battles in the same way a high dura would. It's not actually a super high durability stat just some condition that nullifies any damage
