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Prosecution's ready, Your Honor
As opening statement, I shall explain the current situation with DMC
Currently, thanks to Sevil's past thread, we proved how Peak of Combat is, at least for now, canon to the DMC main timeline, and with the game, new hax feats appeared. However what was intentionally hidden from that thread are the new feats regarding stats (AP and speed, for example), that are surprisingly interesting and shall put DMC at a new level of OPness. We avoided to talk about this at that time to avoid making a huge thread with too many points to debate, they are going to be presented now, after a break from DMC CRTs for over a month
With that in mind, the prosecuton seeks to prove, beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt, that said new feats are legit and applicable to their profiles
The 1st Feat
The scan:
In any translation, the two feats are solid: Nightmare can destroy the entire structure of the Demon World, aswell as lift it, these are Low 2-C in AP and Immeasurable in LS
Currently, we already gave Nightmare a High 3-A, possibly Low 2-C rating for being able to "destroy the Demon World", the reason for the High 3-A part is because the statement only really covers the matter on said dimension, that is not the case anymore as the entire structure would be affected, giving the feat a small jump to just Low 2-C
Who it affects (AP)
In AP, not many people actually, only two besides Nightmare: DMC1 Dante and Nelo Angelo
For many years, this part of the cast was considered to be fodder close to the higher tiers of the verse, this, however, is already outadated not only by re-considering older Lore like Nightmare's feat, but also new canon material coming from Before The Nightmare. We already list them as High 3-A/Low 2-C, and that comes from this same Dante actually defeating Nightmare and, on older guides, describing both his sealed and unreleased power. Among the novels and guides we also get numerous statements about Mundus actually fearing Nelo Angelo and DMC1 Dante in a similar way he feared Nightmare
Nelo Angelo, for also not being completely under the control of Mundus, was directly stated by the narrator to be a danger to him
He also felt threatened by Dante and planned the DMC1 events to avoid him frustating his world-ending schemes, I saw counters like Mundus just overestimating Dante by being afraid of his Sparda Inheritance, that, however, can't be proved, as the Demon King literally had Nelo Angelo by his side with his own part of the amulet, the Devil Sword Sparda couldn't be formed, and even then, fearing Dante's inheritance by default means being afraid of his power. Now extra attention here, as this Statue/Sealed Mundus was already capable of sustaining the Demon World (His defeat triggered its destruction as already listed on the profiles and blogs, but statue Mundus was already enough to keep it in one piece, even after being re-sealed, Mundus is still enough), which is a High 3-A feat. When he faced Dante in his throne room, he even used Trish as a distraction in order to hit Dante of guard (Happens right at the beggining). Some use this scene to say DMC1 Dante is fodder to Mundus, but that severely ignores a bit of context, since it completely ignores Mundus' whole plan in having Trish there, he only didn't expected her to do that sacrifice for Dante, which triggered his rage. I'm not saying he had to use Trish, but used as a insurance policy, now what makes sense with this ? Yes, Mundus fearing Dante's presence as stated by the official guide. This all in the end comes full circle, Mundus fears three characters (Dante, Nelo Angelo and Nightmare), with the quotes being very clear cut (All three in some way were stated to be feared by Mundus at that time), and the three have feats or scaling that puts them at Low 2-C
The main point forgotten by people when scaling DMC1 cast to Mundus is using Full Power Mundus instead of that current form, that alone fixes most, if not all the problems
Who it affects (LS)
The most interesting part is the Lifting the DW quote, quite unexpected and an upgrade considering the current God Tiers are Class Y, and I know that brings some questions, maybe an Outlier ?
In my opinion, no
The current Class Y was done by Argosax and is calced here, thing is, it was done absolutely casual and when he was still sealed and ritual didn't began yet, thus it shouldn't limit their LS to said Tier, now, it's true that no God Tier has any other feat remotely close to this, as Fusing the Worlds isn't LS, so the possibility to be an outlier exists, and I'll leave up to discussion
While the God Tiers would scale, DMC1 Dante should also do as he is capable of fighting Nightmare even inside extremely small and closed spaces without being completely crushed by his LS, so he should be scaled equally, while the God Tier do scale higher thanks to Mundus being capable of restraining Nightmare with a finger (Yes)
To finish, in order to make the scaling in DMC1 easier to understand, I propose an addition to Mundus' First key, his Dormant Form (or whatever name we use for him), it's important since the 3 High Tiers scaling is...harder to find and understand
Thus Mundus would look like this:
Nightmare would be:
DMC1 Dante would be:
Nelo Angelo would be:
Now then, interesting feat right ? But we didnt reached the most interesting part yet, because DMC is going to be...faster
The 2nd Feat
Ladies and Gentlemen from the jury, the most important part of this thread and easily one of the biggest upgrades in all of DMC
Other TLs:
Proto
As a demon lord who was more powerful than his hunters, he was faster than them, enabling him to travel and bypass the dimensional axis of the time flow, giving the naked eye the illusion of transmission. Any ignorant man who decides to confront him will immediately create an unshakable destiny in which the soul of the victim will be destroyed by his spear.
Yes, the proposal is Immeasurable speed
I always disliked the idea of DMC having this speed, but my arguments against it were mere NLF and headcanon, the prosecution here only seeks the truth despite how horrible it is. The statement is quite straightforward, as surpassing the time stream via sheer speed is one of the main types of Immeasurable speed feats
Note that this statement isn't talking about a specific technique, style of travel speed or something similar, it is directly talking about his top speed, and how he is above other demons, so I'm against any proposal that separates the rating (something like X normally, Immeasurable via Y)
Who it affects
Pluto is a 2-C God Tier, owner of one of the 2-C feats among the series, thus, only the 2-Cs scale to this, no Tier 9, 8, 7, 6, 4 or Low 2-C shall touch the tier for very obvious reasons, even the Low 2-Cs don't really compare to full power 2-Cs. While Pluto's exact scaling is somewhat tricky, I don't think any 2-C should be left without the feat, he either is around Mundus level as a Demon King or (literally) the weakest/the baseline 2-C since that's his feat and the only possible scaling to him is his title. Even if we do scale him to Mundus, the other weaker 2-Cs (Sealed Sparda, Argosax the Chaos and Bolverk) should still scale since they are not that much behind, and downscaling a bit from Immeasurable should still be at that level, if people think it shouldn't, "Unknown" or "Possibly/Likely" also works for the prosecution
Now, the most important question is: is this a outlier ?
POC gave us some other speed feats, that are already discarted for how huge of a outlier they are (Infinite speed fodders), not only because it comes from fodders, but also even Low, Mid and High Tiers lack speed feats beyond MHS+, with one of them having a possible Relativistic feat if the calc gets accepted, which further shows us the consistency with the Non God Tiers from DMC, far from Infinite speed. Those problems, however, don't exist for the God Tiers
Not only they don't scale to anyone outside of their sphere, but they also are...quite unknown for their speed, they "lack" feats in a way, and currently, they are FTL+ for the lack of a better way to scale them, it comes from multipliers from weaker versions of Dante, they almost ended up as Unknown, Pluto's quote is the ONLY solid speed feat coming from the God Tiers and only for the God Tiers, therefore shouldn't be discarted as outlier
Final Results
DMC1 Dante, Vergil and Nightmare get upgraded to Low 2-C and with Immeasurable LS
Mundus gets a new rating for his dormant form that upscales from the other three
2-Cs get upgraded to Immeasurable LS and Speed
With this, the prosecution formally accuses Devil May Cry of being stronk and speedy, and welcomes the Defense to cross-examine its post
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