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This thread is a strange paradox to be honest.

People struggle to prove via context of media in most verses regarding time travel to be immeasurable speed. Only to rejected almost all the time. Because not good enough proof or no statements.

While we here have a statement which could be textbook definition of immeasurable as a lore statement about Pluto.
To which people are resisting because they need time travel as a requirement.

And all I can say is bruh, people will never be satisfied. Always escalating expectations in the most hilarious ways.

We truly live in a society.
 
Also keep in mind; there is a also a strict rule saying that if characters are effected by abilities that involving altering limited time such as time slow and time stop, then they logically cannot be Immeasurable speed (Or even Infinite speed save for time reversal, in which Immeasurable speed characters are immune to that). So in addition of basic qualifications, our policy on outliers is especially strict when it comes to Infinite/Immeasurable speed feats.
 
Also keep in mind; there is a also a strict rule saying that if characters are effected by abilities that involving altering limited time such as time slow and time stop, then they logically cannot be Immeasurable speed (Or even Infinite speed save for time reversal, in which Immeasurable speed characters are immune to that). So in addition of basic qualifications, our policy on outliers is especially strict when it comes to Infinite/Immeasurable speed feats.
We have characters like Comics IG Thanos who stop immeasurable speed Abstracts with time stop. Who is immeasurable himself.

We scale time stop potency above baseline via this not other way around.
 
Also keep in mind; there is a also a strict rule saying that if characters are effected by abilities that involving altering limited time such as time slow and time stop, then they logically cannot be Immeasurable speed (Or even Infinite speed save for time reversal, in which Immeasurable speed characters are immune to that). So in addition of basic qualifications, our policy on outliers is especially strict when it comes to Infinite/Immeasurable speed feats.
Or their time abilities are potent enough to affect these kinds of speeds. Making it not an outlier
 
So what is our record on Time Manipulation Vs DMC God Tiers ?

I believe we have very few example of time hax working on them
For starters, Nero can slow down DMC5 Vergil with Ragtime.

Then there's Urizen using time bubbles to slow down DMC5 Dante. And Geryon can use that ability.

If the guys were truly immeasurable, then not even time-stop would come close to affecting them.
 
in this wiki some absurd shit get accepted like soul haxing a soulless being or fate haxing type2 acausal who shouldn't even have a future to begin with because they exist in single point in time so I don't see the problem with time haxing an immeasurable speed especially if the verse demonstrate that there is layers for it's potency
 
Only God tiers affect god tiers.
Dante's Judgement, Chronoheart, Nero's Breakage Ragtime.

That's it.
I see

Their Time Manipulation is already capable of affecting demons (Who are Type 4 Acausal) and resistant to time stuff on their own, so I guess it's no surprise they can affect even harder beings

Also, like it was said, there are (currently accepted) examples of Immeasurables being affected, if it's a problem (I'm neutral about it), it should be left for after the thread as it affects way more poeple

Wait, so layered time stops are a thing?

Well then, better discuss whether that affects SMT or Elder Scrolls or some shit.
There are layers for everything or almost everything

Being resistant to time manipulation won't save you from every being on VS

After recapitulation of the OP's evidence, I have come to the personal conclusion that everything presented thus far is quite blatant.

I must agree for now.
The prosecution thanks for ur input
 
Also keep in mind; there is a also a strict rule saying that if characters are effected by abilities that involving altering limited time such as time slow and time stop, then they logically cannot be Immeasurable speed (Or even Infinite speed save for time reversal, in which Immeasurable speed characters are immune to that). So in addition of basic qualifications, our policy on outliers is especially strict when it comes to Infinite/Immeasurable speed feats.
Apparently higher-dimensional time-stops are a thing now so...

I've contacted Ultima just in case. Apparently he has seen the DMC immeasurable speed stuff before and himself was astounded by the blatantness of the feat's meaning after one of the DMC supporters sent him the scan well ahead of this thread. But still, getting his opinion once more wouldn't hurt.
 
I agree on full stop Low 2-C Nero Angelo, Base DMC1 Dante, and Nightmare.

I'm thinking a definite Infinite LS, possibly Immeasurable LS, and same for Speed since even with the lowballed take on Pluto's speed, that puts him firmly at Infinite, and he also has an infinite range feat of splitting the Mortal and Demon universes, ofc something crossing an infinite distance in a finite amount of time is ground for Infinite speed
 
Nightmare destroying an infinite sized universe isnt proof of infinite speed? There was a little thread by somebody also that Pluto spear splitting said infinite sized universe is worth to look or something
 
There is no real reason to put "Infinite" on those two feats, it feels for me that we are pushing it back one tier so it can be "easier" to be accepted in both our minds and on the wiki, but that isn't the right thing to do

Both Pluto and Nightmare's feats here are Immeasurable (I dare to say they are pretty much at the definition of it), if for whatever reason they don't work for some people, we shall debate on it, but "Infinite" is literally arbitrary with what we have on them, they aren't Infinite

I'm here for Immeasurable God Tiers or no upgrades at all

Nightmare destroying an infinite sized universe isnt proof of infinite speed? There was a little thread by somebody also that Pluto spear splitting said infinite sized universe is worth to look or something
High 3-A or higher Tiers doesn't give u Infinite speed
 
There is no real reason to put "Infinite" on those two feats, it feels for me that we are pushing it back one tier so it can be "easier" to be accepted in both our minds and on the wiki, but that isn't the right thing to do

Both Pluto and Nightmare's feats here are Immeasurable (I dare to say they are pretty much at the definition of it), if for whatever reason they don't work for some people, we shall debate on it, but "Infinite" is literally arbitrary with what we have on them, they aren't Infinite

I'm here for Immeasurable God Tiers or no upgrades at all


High 3-A or higher Tiers doesn't give u Infinite speed
Not AP, no, but having High 3-A range attacks that cross said infinite distance in finite time is grounds for Infinite speed
 
I agree on full stop Low 2-C Nero Angelo, Base DMC1 Dante, and Nightmare.

I'm thinking a definite Infinite LS, possibly Immeasurable LS, and same for Speed since even with the lowballed take on Pluto's speed, that puts him firmly at Infinite, and he also has an infinite range feat of splitting the Mortal and Demon universes, ofc something crossing an infinite distance in a finite amount of time is ground for Infinite speed

I can see why for LS but the speed one is no not only they compared him to fodder demons who they have infinite speed and consider him faster but they even go head and gave him his own level of speed and the way they described that level is almost similar to the definition of immeasurable speed so
 
Pluto's feat of separating the Original Universe is 2-C and involves Space-Time (stated to have, btw), that's why we didn't added speed coming from that

He will be immeasurable if the thread goes through, but the reason is another thing
Yeah, Pluto's 2-C AP and his Immeasurable speed feat are not related to each other.
 
With Nightmare's feat being now Low 2-C, we can't apply that anymore, so I don't think it should grant it any speed stuff

It was rejected on past threads because Nightmare' feat was AP, not range based
Wouldnt he need higher speed to destroy such a structure tho? In case its treated as one shot ir immediate, someone outside the wiki pointed out too not long ago when the high 3-A upgrade happened
 
Wouldnt he need higher speed to destroy such a structure tho? In case its treated as one shot ir immediate, someone outside the wiki pointed out too not long ago when the high 3-A upgrade happened
Well he separated the structure, creating two new Time-Spaces with it. We don't exactly know every detail of the feat, if he physically threw his spear to cut the universe in half from one point to another, it could have speed, but we have nothing of the sort. We just know he used his spear to do it, a spear stated to have Space-Time Hax, and with that we can't take speed from the feat
 
Just as an aside, "transcending the dimensional axis of the timestream" is likely refering to going beyond the 1st temporal dimension, as opposed to just some blanked "higher dimensional movement", meaning at face value it means he's moving on a extra temporal dimension. Huge Immeasurable feat.

I agree with the thread.

Also, out of curiosity, what's that infinite speed feat?
 
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