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Only in his DMC5 key, not in any other.Nero Immeasurable Speed, this will be fun
It is should only be in his Late Game/Post DT, not Early GameOnly in his DMC5 key, not in any other.
This thread is a strange paradox to be honest.
People struggle to prove via context of media in most verses regarding time travel to be immeasurable speed. Only to rejected almost all the time. Because not good enough proof or no statements.
While we here have a statement which could be textbook definition of immeasurable as a lore statement about Pluto.
To which people are resisting because they need time travel as a requirement.
And all I can say is bruh, people will never be satisfied. Always escalating expectations in the most hilarious ways.
Well it was made clear that only the god tiers who 2-C are gonna get immeasurable speed so ofc his pre DT key won't get itIt is should only be in his Late Game/Post DT, not Early Game
We have characters like Comics IG Thanos who stop immeasurable speed Abstracts with time stop. Who is immeasurable himself.Also keep in mind; there is a also a strict rule saying that if characters are effected by abilities that involving altering limited time such as time slow and time stop, then they logically cannot be Immeasurable speed (Or even Infinite speed save for time reversal, in which Immeasurable speed characters are immune to that). So in addition of basic qualifications, our policy on outliers is especially strict when it comes to Infinite/Immeasurable speed feats.
Or their time abilities are potent enough to affect these kinds of speeds. Making it not an outlierAlso keep in mind; there is a also a strict rule saying that if characters are effected by abilities that involving altering limited time such as time slow and time stop, then they logically cannot be Immeasurable speed (Or even Infinite speed save for time reversal, in which Immeasurable speed characters are immune to that). So in addition of basic qualifications, our policy on outliers is especially strict when it comes to Infinite/Immeasurable speed feats.
Only God tiers affect god tiers.So what are our record on Time Manipulation Vs DMC God Tiers ?
2 layers of timestop resistance actually.they all are unaffected by baseline time stop so there's that
For starters, Nero can slow down DMC5 Vergil with Ragtime.So what is our record on Time Manipulation Vs DMC God Tiers ?
I believe we have very few example of time hax working on them
This already proves that more potent time stops are a thing in verse.they all are unaffected by baseline time stop so there's that
Minor correctionFor starters, Nero can slow down DMC5 Vergil with Ragtime.
Then there's Urizen using time bubbles to slow down DMC5 Dante.
Wait, so layered time stops are a thing?Minor correction
Vergil can reflect nero's rag time bubbles
Only the charged one works, which would reflect as higher layer.
They already have those kind of stuff.Wait, so layered time stops are a thing?
Well then, better discuss whether that affects SMT or Elder Scrolls or some shit.
I seeOnly God tiers affect god tiers.
Dante's Judgement, Chronoheart, Nero's Breakage Ragtime.
That's it.
There are layers for everything or almost everythingWait, so layered time stops are a thing?
Well then, better discuss whether that affects SMT or Elder Scrolls or some shit.
The prosecution thanks for ur inputAfter recapitulation of the OP's evidence, I have come to the personal conclusion that everything presented thus far is quite blatant.
I must agree for now.
Apparently higher-dimensional time-stops are a thing now so...Also keep in mind; there is a also a strict rule saying that if characters are effected by abilities that involving altering limited time such as time slow and time stop, then they logically cannot be Immeasurable speed (Or even Infinite speed save for time reversal, in which Immeasurable speed characters are immune to that). So in addition of basic qualifications, our policy on outliers is especially strict when it comes to Infinite/Immeasurable speed feats.
Have they not always? Especially at 5D and higher, a spacetime can have multiple dimensions of time, and ofc therefore a time stop on a 5D level would overpower the time hax resistance of 4D Infinite/Immeasurable speedApparently higher-dimensional time-stops are a thing now so...
High 3-A or higher Tiers doesn't give u Infinite speedNightmare destroying an infinite sized universe isnt proof of infinite speed? There was a little thread by somebody also that Pluto spear splitting said infinite sized universe is worth to look or something
That's what I was referencingNightmare destroying an infinite sized universe isnt proof of infinite speed? There was a little thread by somebody also that Pluto spear splitting said infinite sized universe is worth to look or something
Not AP, no, but having High 3-A range attacks that cross said infinite distance in finite time is grounds for Infinite speedThere is no real reason to put "Infinite" on those two feats, it feels for me that we are pushing it back one tier so it can be "easier" to be accepted in both our minds and on the wiki, but that isn't the right thing to do
Both Pluto and Nightmare's feats here are Immeasurable (I dare to say they are pretty much at the definition of it), if for whatever reason they don't work for some people, we shall debate on it, but "Infinite" is literally arbitrary with what we have on them, they aren't Infinite
I'm here for Immeasurable God Tiers or no upgrades at all
High 3-A or higher Tiers doesn't give u Infinite speed
With Nightmare's feat being now Low 2-C, we can't apply that anymore, so I don't think it should grant it any speed stuffNot AP, no, but having High 3-A range attacks that cross said infinite distance in finite time is grounds for Infinite speed
I agree on full stop Low 2-C Nero Angelo, Base DMC1 Dante, and Nightmare.
I'm thinking a definite Infinite LS, possibly Immeasurable LS, and same for Speed since even with the lowballed take on Pluto's speed, that puts him firmly at Infinite, and he also has an infinite range feat of splitting the Mortal and Demon universes, ofc something crossing an infinite distance in a finite amount of time is ground for Infinite speed
I was talking about Pluto's feat, which is both AP and range
Yeah, Pluto's 2-C AP and his Immeasurable speed feat are not related to each other.Pluto's feat of separating the Original Universe is 2-C and involves Space-Time (stated to have, btw), that's why we didn't added speed coming from that
He will be immeasurable if the thread goes through, but the reason is another thing
Wouldnt he need higher speed to destroy such a structure tho? In case its treated as one shot ir immediate, someone outside the wiki pointed out too not long ago when the high 3-A upgrade happenedWith Nightmare's feat being now Low 2-C, we can't apply that anymore, so I don't think it should grant it any speed stuff
It was rejected on past threads because Nightmare' feat was AP, not range based
Yeah it's one of the most blatant immeasurable speed statements I've ever seen. It fits the definition perfectly.himself was astounded by the blatantness of the feat's meaning
Well he separated the structure, creating two new Time-Spaces with it. We don't exactly know every detail of the feat, if he physically threw his spear to cut the universe in half from one point to another, it could have speed, but we have nothing of the sort. We just know he used his spear to do it, a spear stated to have Space-Time Hax, and with that we can't take speed from the featWouldnt he need higher speed to destroy such a structure tho? In case its treated as one shot ir immediate, someone outside the wiki pointed out too not long ago when the high 3-A upgrade happened
If I hadn't read the feat myself and seen where it comes from, I'd have thought it was fake, lmao,Yeah it's one of the most blatant immeasurable speed statements I've ever seen. It fits the definition perfectly.
Meant for nightmare here