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I dont follow what you saidWhere was the latter part stated? All I've said in this revision is that non-duality is a lack of duality, we index immunity based on the lack of something, ergo non-duality would be immunity to dualities and extensions of them. That seems to be what's mostly agreed upon, anyways.
Also qawsedf say transduality would be just like our current page, so transduality is immunity and qualitative superior to duality, and nonduality as it lesser version will notWhat nonduality does when you attack the character depends entirely on the extended system of logic that is used and depending on which inference rules you put in that system any possible outcome is imaginable.
Transduality would just be our current page with all of the strict limits. We would just have Nonduality as the default values.
Nonduality just means you're outside some binary system. But being outside of something doesn't prevent someone from forcing it upon you or from something from a Higher Dimensional perspective from including you in a greater system.
Or in other words, Nonduality of life and death just means you're outside of the natural system of life and death. If someone has death manipulation and can force it on you then the character would be immune to it.
Guess you're rightincorrect as the said character lacks that certain duality (life-death for eg
What does that meanQuick question, being outside of non-duality or beyond non-duality what would it give? Even more so when Non-duality is a state of oneness.
Being outside of nonduality would give immunity to the duality (or dualities) in question but the character would still be part of a greater system of dualities on a higher dimensional plane of existence than his.Quick question, being outside of non-duality or beyond non-duality what would it give? Even more so when Non-duality is a state of oneness.
I see, (malicious smile) tywhole concept of dualities; referring to transduality
We are probably going to ignore dimensionality when dealing with transduality; making a transdual character immune to duality on every plane of existence as transduality is defined as "beyond duality itself on a conceptual level", while nonduality would be bounded by dimensionalityThis is meaningless.
Every hax on wiki is tied to dimensionality.
It doesn't matter whether you have Transduality on 5D plane, 6D with no duality transcendence nukes
There's nothing like "Being beyond every system of duality" that goes beyond your dimensionality, so the distinction being made here falls apart
Im pretty sure this was talked about a while back that transdualism wouldn't directly transcend dimensions/affect a character's tier, otherwise you would get a lot of Low 1-A and 1-A ratings due to an easy pathway. ( this would obviously only apply to type 3.)We are probably going to ignore dimensionality when dealing with transduality; making a transdual character immune to duality on every plane of existence as transduality is defined as "beyond duality itself on a conceptual level", while nonduality would be bounded by dimensionality
I'm not implying that transduality should "Transcend dimensions" or "affect a character's tier" but "transduality would mean being beyond the concept of dualities thereby being non-dual to dualities on any plane of existence" and that shouldn't affect dimensionality or tier of a character igIm pretty sure this was talked about a while back that transdualism wouldn't directly transcend dimensions/affect a character's tier, otherwise you would get a lot of Low 1-A and 1-A ratings due to an easy pathway. ( this would obviously only apply to type 3.)
I can pitch in, im quite familiar with duality due to more than a few verse's ive finished dabbling into the conceptOkay. That seems manageable then, but we still need volunteer investigators who will sufficiently carefully examine all of the cases in a collaborative revision thread.
That makes more sense, though transduality would automatically mean qualitative superiority over those dualities.I'm not implying that transduality should "Transcend dimensions" or "affect a character's tier" but "transduality would mean being beyond the concept of dualities thereby being non-dual to dualities on any plane of existence" and that shouldn't affect dimensionality or tier of a character ig
Also, most of the characters currently possessing the ability probably fall under the section of nonduality so there won't be "a lot" characters having TD
YesThat makes more sense, though transduality would automatically mean qualitative superiority over those dualities.
This part gets removed"Transduality is not simply nonduality, but additionally requires something like qualitative superiority or immunity to attacks bound to the duality in question."
He disagrees entirely but is so far the only staff to disagree. Everyone else is fine with it to some extent.What is DT opinion about this?
Transdual characters can still be bound to dualities encompassing higher dimensions, it'd be a NLF otherwise. Also, I wouldn't say the possibility of becoming 'bound' to duality is a reason to make nonduality's immunity limited; After all, we give soulless beings full immunity to soul manipulation despite the fact that they can be given a soul through other means.Edit: furthermore nonduality granting immunity would be limited as well as anyone who can impose a law system of duality upon someone nondual will be affected if we go by that definition that they are not superior/transcendent to it. There is a clear difference between how something is irrelevant to you because you are beyond it and it is irrelevant to you because you do not possess it. as one you can still be bound and the other is that you're unable to be bound because you are beyond said thing
What do you think about this?
DT has disagreed with the thread, would you like to ping for further input? This is a wide revision that impacts a lot of profiles.So what effect does non-duality have that is shared between all users of the power?
If the answer is none, then why would we have it as one power, instead of having it as a mechanism to separate powers?
Edit: And I definitely agree that nonduality does not imply immunity to anything on its own. That's a proposal that has been rejected several times before. What nonduality does when you attack the character depends entirely on the extended system of logic that is used and depending on which inference rules you put in that system any possible outcome is imaginable.
Looks reasonable, then we just keep transduality as it is and add a nonduality sectionThe draft looks good.
However, I'm completely opposed to treating transduality as immunity to all instances of duality across every possible extension of reality. We have never treated the transcendence of a concept as extending beyond what's been shown, not even in regards to the previous transduality standards, because it'd be a huge NLF otherwise. Without that, we'd get shit where a tier 9 character could conceivably resist tier 0 hax just because "transduality lol". It's better to leave transduality as it is.
@Deagonx and @Firestorm808 agree with the revision as well, so it's 4 to 1 with a bureaucrat on both sides.Looks reasonable, then we just keep transduality as it is and add a nonduality section
Ant and qawsedf agree on this if I'm not wrong but DT is in oppose so a 2:1 ratio for now unless DT updates his stance
ant is a blind dingbat & featherbrained bigot. i won't have his word. stop slandering my baby transdualism;; you are nitpicking & biased
Unnecessary + derailing + ignorant + you're gonna get banned lmaoant is a blind dingbat & featherbrained bigot. i won't have his word. stop slandering my baby transdualism;; you are nitpicking & biased
Homie just hit him with the don't care + didn't ask + ratio + L bozoUnnecessary + derailing + ignorant + you're gonna get banned lmao
+ Stupid + WTF is that + Transduality sucks + Why does it exist + who even likes high haxes like it + CopeUnnecessary + derailing + ignorant + you're gonna get banned lmao
Would you like to be reported too, Reaper?+ Stupid + WTF is that + Transduality sucks + Why does it exist + who even likes high haxes like it + Cope
Dont understand bruh... it is like say transduality is beyond every duality in every dimensionality, so transduality cannot include in every higher system. Doesnt that NLF???Nonduality just means you're outside some binary system. But being outside of something doesn't prevent someone from forcing it upon you or from something from a Higher Dimensional perspective from including you in a greater system.
Or in other words, Nonduality of life and death just means you're outside of the natural system of life and death. If someone has death manipulation and can force it on you then the character would be immune to it.
YeaDoesnt that NLF???
Transduality capably being beyond duality on a conceptual level is already mentioned in the transduality page idk why, it should maybe get changed with a more fitting descriptionLike we brought up again the TD 3 and TD 4 that must be 1A because some absurd and arbitrary thing like transcend duality on conceptual level
Bruh.... just delete this ability, it become more absurd and chaos, or just change it to conceptual transcendenceYea
Transduality capably being beyond duality on a conceptual level is already mentioned in the transduality page idk why, it should maybe get changed with a more fitting description
I understand about this i just have problem with transduality will become more absurd and NLFNon-duality for Beginners, a Lesson by Rakih Muraiz Elyan.
Before anyone says that I'm derailing the thread, I agree with the separation of Transduality and Non-duality.
But I create this post to bridge the understanding between a person who understand duality, and those who are not.
I'm sorry if my post disturbed this thread, staff can delete this post if they want.
Let's begin this.
So what is a duality? A duality is an instance of opposition or contrast between two concepts or two aspects of something; a dualism.
Example are fire and water, yin and yang, Existence and Non-existence, light and dark, etc.
They oppose and/or contrast with each other, fire oppose water, yin oppose yang, etc.
To understand what each type in Transduality or Non-duality mean, let me analogue this in number.
Let just say there is a natural number (..., -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, ...), and it contain duality and non-duality inside it.
Let say water are number 1 and the opposite of water are fire which is -1. And then there light, we imagines it as number 2, therefore it counterpart darkness are number -2. And the rest of duality in this natural number analogue follow this logic.
The positive spectrum of positive number (1, 2, 3, 4, ...)(Water, Light, etc) oppose the spectrum of the negative number (-1, -2, -3, -4, ...)(Fire, Dark, etc), they are duality because they oppose eachother.
While 0 are non-duality, it is neither positive nor negative. They're outside duality.
Type 1 is when something or someone state of being are outside a singular or some duality but still affected by the rest of duality.
Like someone is outside the duality of fire and water, but still affected by the duality of light and dark.
Type 2 is where their state of being is neither positive number (1, 2, 3, 4, ...)(Water, Light and all of concept in positive number) nor negative (-1, -2, -3, -4, ...)(Fire, Dark and all of concept in the negative number), they're completely exist outside all duality in this natural number analogue.
Their state of being is simply 0(zero), a complete non-duality.
Well, what is type 3 then? If being exist outside all duality in this natural number analogue are just type 2, why there exist type 3?
What can be more non-dual than being outside all of duality itself? Than being 0 (zero) itself? Than neither positive nor negative?
Well my friend, let me ask you.
What is the opposite of non-duality?
The opposite of non-duality is duality itself, the opposite of zero is all of the remaining natural numbers themselves.
That mean, Duality and Non-duality are actually a duality in and of themselves.
Type 3 is given to a being that completely exist outside this Duality and Non-duality "duality", they exist outside the duality and non-duality analogue of this natural numbers.
So how to describe this state of being? Well, they're not described by any number, maybe they are described by letter (A, B, C, D, ...)? Or by symbols (@, #, $, ...)?
Anyways, this mark the end of this post.
I hope this post help anyone who read this in understanding duality in the most simplest way possible.
Thank you.