- 4,790
- 2,525
I mean, it's not like we have a lot of people to calculate the feats in ToG in the first place
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Ok, fair enoughFair
It's been a week since the Hoaqin calc was accepted, so I'll add the calc and put in the placeholders for the Bamboo Calc
Oh crud the half way mark is ((1 + 4.3 Gigatons) / 2), not (4.3 Gigatons / 2)...Ok, fair enough
Also, the Hell Train calc (2.38 Gigatons) is High 7-A, not the High 7-A+ (The baseline of this is 2.65 Gigatons). What I'm proposing is just to demote characters like TSM Baam with FTI (Last Station Arc), Baam's Stardust (Post-Revolution), Data Eduan's strongest techinques and Data Zahard's Leviathan from High 7-A+ to just High 7-A, since they scale to total value of the Hell Train calc, which is High 7-A. The characters that scale to Dorian Frog must continue as they are (At least High 7-A+, likely Low 6-B+), since he with little effort accomplished the feat of stopping the Hell Train, indicating that he is far superior to the combined might of three normal Rankers, which is 2.38 Gigatons
2. Would have killed both of them, meaning it should have been at least equal to those moves together after plowing through said moves, if not higher, as according to the blogpost for S2 CH332;VAD: They leave us no choice!! Charlie!! Kill them all if you have to!!
Plowing through two serious moves by two Rankers + at least equal to said moves by those Rankers afterwards = 4/3rds Ranker APIn Bam’s fight scene,
we can see him using the power of Black March like his own as well.
Rankers have to admit that this attack would kill them if they were to be even grazed by it, so…
Of course, it’s difficult to say that Bam is effectively using the powers he owns or borrowed.
He might get DMCA’d (Note: Copyright strike-d) by the original owners of his powers at this rate –;
While this does address the 5/3rds and 6/3rds scaling (also I do read OPM off of online sites bc piracy is power for the people), this does not fully hold for not scaling BMM Bam to 4/3rds the Hell Train Calc for the reasons below.Look, as much as I also want 6-C too, we cannot give multipliers based on the degrees of superiority of a certain character over another. For example, (If you read One Punch Man, you'll understand, if you haven't read it, I think it's a good example anyway), Darkshine can nearly one-shot Half-Monster Garou while holding back, who can survive attacks from Rover, but since we don't have any multipliers confirmed, we just put Darkshine above Rover for a non-quantifiable amount, although both are Low 7-B and 7-A
Ignoring how BMM's attack would have killed either of them with just a graze, as that falls under [multipliers based on superiority] and therefore cannot be used, there is a line of logic for him being 4 times stronger than them individually.BMM Baam overpowered Charlie and VAD combined attacks, but we just put him above them together, but we have no proof that he is four times stronger than them individually.
Random aside, but doesn't that fall under multipliers based on degrees of superiority? Since Transcendental attacks are stronger than normal attacks? Why was okay then when it was being decided, but not now?So just I think scaling TSM Baam with FTI (Last Station Arc), Baam's Stardust (Post-Revolution), Data Eduan's strongest techinques and Data Zahard's Leviathan to the total value of the Hell Train calc is good enough
It serves more as an absolute bare minimum for me since he's got to be somewhere in the Teratons in order to fight Post Clone WhiteWhile the only characters I see being High 7-A+ are Dorian Frog and characters comparable to him, since he stopped the Hell Train with ease
Except that the extent of which Baam is stronger than two Rankers is quantifiable. You just said it-It just means that the BMM Baam's attack was strong enough to overpower two Ranker level attacks combined and at the same it was going to proceed to kill Charlie and VAD if it managed to hit them (This is a similar case to the King Kong Gun against Doflamingo, it was strong enough to overwhelm his strongest attack and proceeded to one-shot him), again, nothing that indicates that this is 3x or 4x stronger than an individual Ranker, it just shows us that Baam is stronger than two Rankers combined by an non-quantifiable extent
Alright sure, just make sure to also get rid of Town Level's being 1/2 as strong as Town Level+'s (I have like 2 different Town level calcs for that anyway), and Essence of Bravery Kallavan being twice as strong as his Base Form, since unlike other scales which use Percentages (Large Country Level), Redans (Likely Large Town level, Large Town level+, Small City level- Likely City level), or # of people involved (High 7-C+ likely higher, Hell Train divisions, Country level+ [Khel Hellam takes on Base Evankhell and Base Yama]), those use degrees of superiority for multipliers. (There's nothing that suggests that Ran w/ Redan should be as strong as Endorsi, especially since Base Ran + Novick struggled against Cassano [While he was hit by the Sword of Light, he only faked being killed, got up around a minute afterwards, and then one-shot Horyang. And he was prepared to fight them again shortly afterwards and had no visible damage], who was cut by Hatz, who couldn't even scratch Baragav despite hitting him dead on, unlike Endorsi who wounded his leg. Additionally, both Anaak and Ran were surprised at seeing Mad Dog's attack) (Weakened EoB Kallavan takes on Base Evankhell [No elephant is shown], Yuri, and Karaka while weakened, so he's at [29.3 + 5.97 + 5.97 =] At least 41.24 Teratons. Jinsung's Dragon Tiger Gate scales.)Well, you're right in that part, before I thought this would be fine, since before I discovered that calc isn't High 7-A+, we were scalingg them to the total value of the Hell Train calc, but now that you highlighted this, so I think we should just downgrade them to just "higher" (for TSM Baam with FTI (Last Station Arc), Baam's Stardust (Post-Revolution), Data Eduan's strongest techinques and Data Zahard's Leviathan of course)
CoolYes, this serves only as a minimum value as you said, while their minimum in AP is High 7-A+ and their maximum is Low 6-B+
Yes, and the strength to kill them if it landed should be at least the might of two Rankers, given that it should take a Ranker level attack to kill a Ranker.? Again, it doesn't show that BMM Baam is 4x stronger, it just superior to the combined might of two Rankers, the attack was strong enough to overpower two Rankers and had enough strength to kill them if it landed,
I don't care about how this logic is applied to other verses, namely because I didn't read Fairytailif we were to follow this logic , King Kong Gun should be 2x stronger than normal Gear 4th attacks or Base Natsu 4x stronger than Sting and Rogue
Ah, right, I forgot about Evankhell saying that; fair enough.OK, I'm going to do that now. Fair enough about Koon Ran with Redan, but I can't get rid of Town level due to the fact that we don't have another accepted scale to scale characters comparable to Ran without Redan so we can replace it. Also, a full power Essence of Bravery Form Kallavan scales to Evankhell's Partial Release of Ancient Power (EoBF Kallavan was considered one of the High Rankers from Zahard's Army who are able to contend with Evankhell's Partial Release, as Evanhell herself said), who clashed with the Partial Release of Khel Hellam, who overpowered an combined from Base Yama and Evankhell (without Partial Release). And as I recall, Jinsung's Dragon Tiger Gate is dura negation hax
Okay, I think I'm going to change the main page of ToG to describe the reason why some characters are High 7-A+
Alright, I don’t have time to discuss this now, so I'll postpone this for later (I'm a little busy) and let more people of this thread have more opinions about this subject
Oooh, yeah I do agree with that, nevermind I thought it was something elseI mean, you said "Cool" and it left me with the impression that you agreed with that (about Dorian Frog and comparable characters being High 7-A+), what don't you agree with although?
FTI + TSM HF Baam, Data Jahad, and Data Eduan- should be same as before.Ok, for now I will agree with BMM Baam being 4x stronger than a normal Ranker. If this is really accepted, who will scale to him in this transformation?
Sure, although do we even have a specific value for At least Massively Hypersonic+?Also, shouldn't we downgrade the characters who are "Likely Relativistic" to "At least Massively Hypersonic+" (Any version of Season 2 Baam prior his TSM and Data Maschenny)? As I recall, Data Zahard is only Relativistic after getting serious, while his suppressed state is Massively Hypersonic +
Yes, they would scale as well- good catchShouldn't High Rankers like Gado, Base Paul, Soo-oh and other scale to BBM Baam too?
I messaged Arceus and ImNot4nUser- is there anyone else?Also, just letting you know, I don't completely agree with BMM Baam being 4x stronger than normal Ranker as I said before, I'm just waiting for more people to speak up on this subject (I think you should ask to the most active people in ToG on this site besides you and me in their profile posts or message wall on whether they agree with you on the BMM Baam scale, since it’s not something I’m 100% confident of applying like the other scalings)
Sounds fairWell, I think "Sub-Relativistic" for Redan Data Maschenny and Post-Revolution/Last Station Arc Baam with 1st Thorn and 2nd Thorn should be fine. Since it seems this is within the uspcaling standards that allow jump to other tier in this site (which is 1.4x)
That's true- in terms of raw power he isn't at Kallavan arm wounding level, only Kallavan scratching level (and even then, that was a Stardust so it still has some dura-negation powers and Karaka helped, meaning his physical AP is actually slightly lower, especially given that the Red Thyrssa while using the 1st Thorn did jack to Kallavan. He's still at least Base Yuri level though)OK
There is also @Nico-v11. I think he is the most active besides the two you mentioned, only he has not been participating in this Discussion Threads lately
Yes, it kind of makes sense as you say, but remember that Baam had to use TSM+2nd Thorn+His own version of Dragon Tiger Gate to bypass Kallavan's durability (even normal Piercing Techniques are dura negation powers), it wasn't really his raw power (as he did against Data Zahard's arms for example) did that damage to Kallavan, was one of the strongest Piercing Techniques we've seen in the series so far, being behind the Dragon Tiger Gate (Heck, even I think Base Yama wouldn't really be able to endure that technique without seriously injuring himself and it should be able to easily kill High Rankers at the level of Base Yuri)
Huh... That makes more sense now.[Black March Style: Flare Wave Explosion]
VAD: Jeez, that thing is pretty damn scary.
Charlie: One hit from that and we're done for!
Eh, the first one's a little iffy, since it wasn't the Rage itself making Baam stronger, but him losing control of the Thorn as a result of him getting angry. The Thorn going out of control is what made Bam stronger, not him being angry. (Also, him getting faster during the Dallar Show final was just him pushing himself really hard) With that being said, it's fair to have the Thorn going out of control as a Berserk ModeAlso, shouldn't Baam have Rage Power and Berserk Mode? The first one is when his hatred for Rachel's agressive actions towards him during the Train City Arc enraged him, allowing him to boost his power and speed to blitz and one-shot Daniel (also, when he fought Post-3 Siblings Hoaqin, at the moment he got enraged after how Hoaqin got 1 Billion souls, he grew more faster and stronger during the Dallar Show Round 3), and the second one is when he after drew more of 1st Thorn's power, made him more aggressive and on the offensive against Daniel and Buelsar (of course, although he is still conscious enough to differentiate between enemy and friend, this still counts as Berserk Mode due to the fact that he is unnecessarily aggressive, which is not really his normal fighting style)
being 4x stronger than a normal Ranker
Long-story short about the Rose Shower calc, the current method only includes the amount of roses that are shown in panel and models it as a cube with a side length of the panel edge, despite the scattering of roses being more akin to a pile / stumpy cone / amorphous disk with a radius that can be found via angisizing various objects. Although I doubt that completely cancels out a 22-fold decrease, so the corrected AP is likely still way less than 5.97 Teratons, which makes things... interesting for 1% Urek scaling.Yes, I also agree that it is only necessary to redo the two calcs, but I will still talk about it
About the first calc, if its correct, well, downgrades are inevitable in relation to any verse on this site, so I'm not surprised by Yuri's Rose Shower downgrade, but I think now the difference of power between the Top 300 and the High Rankers bellow them is even bigger and more drastic than before (now TSM Baam and Karaka scratching a suppressed EoBF Kallavan with their combined attacks will be pretty weird), but yes, it's still too early to draw any conclusions, so I'll just wait for you to detail more about this calc in the Blogs
Since the methodology at least for the calc was already accepted, can I just update the blog with the edit for the correct number of cars, or am I going to have to get at least 1 reconfirmation again?Regarding the second calc, I don't see anything wrong (although I'm not a calcs expert), so I think 6-C is back (ironically in the past, TSM Baam with FTI and Data Zahard were 6-C), well, I think this calc is better than the previous High 7-A (2.38 Gigatons), it always bothered me that Maschenny while only at the 1/3rd of her climbing in the Tower was only less 7x weaker than normal Rankers and although when she was finishing climbing, she was still nothing compared to Rankers in power until she finished her climbing
I mean, for threat level, it was definitely bound to happen at some point, although admittedly way back in FoD I expected Bam reaching Ranker level to cement itself around Floor 77 (To coincide w/ getting to Wolhaiksong's Floor), or somewhere else around halfway up the Tower, not 2/5ths up the Tower.No problem
Also, do you think that the Regulars, no longer being a threat and relevant over the time, was something expected and unavoidable? Considering Baam's status as Irregular, his talent and the fact that his current Base form was vastly stronger than the Top 100 High Rankers during the time they were finishing their climbing in the Tower as Regulars
(He's right- for Average Joe to Hell Joe reasons I mentioned)Gado’s feet getting cut off feels like it makes Bam OP,
but Thorn + Red Thryssa buff is in play, and looking at the lore face value out looking at their specs, something even more over the top wouldn’t have been crazy for these guys, so….
I feel like narratively I have to keep them in check normally and then jump forward on weeks like this. It’s hard ^^;
Manhwa is hard.
In conclusion, Bam is a regular but is also REALLY dangerous…?
Moving it; specifically the total energy of that mass of roses moving to it's place shown in the panel after a certain timeframedamn i always disliked that feat. Like, is the rose shower's energy the energy of creating it or moving it? whatevs.
Nah, the calc itself fine enough, although the scaling logic used is honestly a little weirdWe now have a good 6-C feat and all we need to do now is look through the rest of the feats. Do we need a recalc of the urek explosions or nah?
None available because I didn't make a blog for it (instead I just roughly estimated) but the math goes like this-Also any links to the 800km calc?