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Tower of God General Discussion Thread Part 5

Didn't bam live through its impact?
That weapon's attacks have a small area of effect. The attack clearly pierced through Baam. Living and tanking are different things. If he had tanked that attack, I would agree that it messes up the scaling, but he didn't tank the attack. Instead, he survived because being pierced didn’t kill him. Baam has enough regeneration power to heal himself.
 
That weapon's attacks have a small area of effect. The attack clearly pierced through Baam. Living and tanking are different things. If he had tanked that attack, I would agree that it messes up the scaling, but he didn't tank the attack. Instead, he survived because being pierced didn’t kill him. Baam has enough regeneration power to heal himself.
I'll check the chapter again later but if it was FH level it should've straight up vaporized him.
 
I'll check the chapter again later
Chapter 633
but if it was FH level it should've straight up vaporized him.
Well, it depends on the attacks, I guess. A simple piercing attack wouldn’t be enough to vaporize targets like Baam, especially when he’s amped by Leviathan, one of the three great beasts of Traumerei, and Red Thryssa, if I recall correctly. Additionally, Black March came to stop the bleeding and gave him power.
 
Chapter 633

Well, it depends on the attacks, I guess. A simple piercing attack wouldn’t be enough to vaporize targets like Baam, especially when he’s amped by Leviathan, one of the three great beasts of Traumerei, and Red Thryssa, if I recall correctly. Additionally, Black March came to stop the bleeding and gave him power.
Webtoon official translations say that the pressure from the weapon was almost strong enough to remind Bam of the 10 FHs he met virtually.

I've also reread the chapter and Bam parries Dumas' attack with his shinsu arrow.

He also then tanks Dumas' attack almost directly next chapter

So we either scale Bam+Levi to 6-A or High 6-A which would be weird and super inconsistent with the scaling or we accept the official translation and give up on it.
 
why would nullifying abilities be part of space manipulation??
Because it's not part of some special hax but of their inherent capabilities of controlling space, Traumerei's frog could do the same in fact, redirecting and negating Bong Bong teleport. Because the frog specialize in space warp.

It has to go under the things their space manipulation can do.

Space manipulation:
  • Pocket Dimension creation
  • Can see into Pocket dimensions (ESP) or sense space warps
  • Can travel into dimensions cut off from the outside or break free of one by force.
  • Can open warp gate to teleport themselves or others.
  • Can negate or redirect teleportations.
 
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Because it's not part of some special hax but of their inherent capabilities of controlling space, Traumerei's frog could do the same in fact, redirecting and negating Bong Bong teleport. Because the frog specialize in space warp.

It has to go under the things their space manipulation can do.

Space manipulation:
  • Pocket Dimension creation
  • Can see into Pocket dimensions (ESP) or sense space warps
  • Can travel into dimensions cut off from the outside or break free of one by force.
  • Can open warp gate to teleport themselves or others.
  • Can negate or redirect teleportations.

Well this part is relatively small so I'll let it be.
Anyways for Baam's abilities

I think further Enhanced senses would be added.

Btw what do you think of the who Rosario scaling thing?
 
My opinion has not changed but it should be above every other feat that isn't on the tier of "Top Towerborns" which imo precedes the "Fully realized irregulars".

Unfortunately for the new Adori feat, I don't think we can even calculate the size of the Po Bidau mothership...
 
Unfortunately for the new Adori feat, I don't think we can even calculate the size of the Po Bidau mothership...
Doubt it'd be anywhere near tier 6-B anyways. I've been thinking, wouldn't Bam breaking through the suspendium tower be a big feat? I mean the tower was like 200km tall
 
Also, question, but how are we of Baam full power (before UTSM and Leviathan ofc) being x10 his Base for scaling? Is it useful? Because as we've seen, Baam concentrating all his power into an attack vs PFE White merely harmed him enough to feel large amount pain.
I mean the tower was like 200km tall
As someone who has tried to calc every single feat already, I get that you got this size by mean of the schematics of the Nest.
But with the size in comparison to Maschenny ship it's way smaller. Merely a few hundreds meters (I calculated the size of that one Maschenny ship, it's not the same as when invading Jinsung Ha obviously).
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Also, question, but how are we of Baam full power (before UTSM and Leviathan ofc) being x10 his Base for scaling? Is it useful? Because as we've seen, Baam concentrating all his power into an attack vs PFE White merely harmed him enough to feel large amount pain.
What did his base scale to at that point?
As someone who has tried to calc every single feat already, I get that you got this size by mean of the schematics of the Nest.
But with the size in comparison to Maschenny ship it's way smaller. Merely a few hundreds meters (I calculated the size of that one Maschenny ship, it's not the same as when invading Jinsung Ha obviously).
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Now that's an issue cause I used that height for the calc with Admin absorbing shinsu.
Do we have any other thing that could give us a proper floor height?
 
My opinion has not changed but it should be above every other feat that isn't on the tier of "Top Towerborns" which imo precedes the "Fully realized irregulars".

Unfortunately for the new Adori feat, I don't think we can even calculate the size of the Po Bidau mothership...
Speaking of Adori. Did Gustang was inside that ship. It was confusing
 
Webtoon official translations say that the pressure from the weapon was almost strong enough to remind Bam of the 10 FHs he met virtually.
Only family head he met in Hidden floor was Khun Eden. Besides Baam already surpassed Data versions of them. So definitely it is not refering to data versions. Also sentence was divided into two. Virtually was talking about Zahad not family heads. Also Baam only met Real Zahad through Hidden floor. So that must be it.
I've also reread the chapter and Bam parries Dumas' attack with his shinsu arrow.
It was just one sided attack from Baam to Block Dumas view.
He also then tanks Dumas' attack almost directly next chapter
Nuh he dodges those attack by reducing his attack power and using it for speed amp.
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So we either scale Bam+Levi to 6-A or High 6-A which would be weird and super inconsistent with the scaling
It was Baam firing arrows from one end Dumas wasn't attacking at that time.

Chapter 633 Baam tried to block the attack with that arrow attack of his but Dumas attack pierced through it and him.

I don't see Baam+Liviathan scaling to that but well Liviathan himself possessed considerable power granted by Traumerie I guess.
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or we accept the official translation and give up on it.
Official translation can make mistakes
 
Only family head he met in Hidden floor was Khun Eden. Besides Baam already surpassed Data versions of them. So definitely it is not refering to data versions. Also sentence was divided into two. Virtually was talking about Zahad not family heads. Also Baam only met Real Zahad through Hidden floor. So that must be it.
I think you're railroading a statement into something that you think is right, but not actually being correct.
It was just one sided attack from Baam to Block Dumas view.
Doesn't seem to me that way, there was energy on the other side which Bam matches
Nuh he dodges those attack by reducing his attack power and using it for speed amp.
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No, there's a later shot with Bam straight up blocking the attacks surrounding him with his hands
Chapter 633 Baam tried to block the attack with that arrow attack of his but Dumas attack pierced through it and him.
He pierced him with a direct blow and Bam was using less power at the time
I don't see Baam+Liviathan scaling to that but well Liviathan himself possessed considerable power granted by Traumerie I guess.
That'd be some weird af scaling ngl
Official translation can make mistakes
But it didn't, it had an interpretation here and official translation hasn't been messing up for quite a while now
 
Official translation can make mistakes
Official translation is unreliable and make tons of mistakes.

If we based our hax on official translation:
  • Disconnection doesn't destroy/erase space nor destroy the connection of things
  • Blossom's flame don't burn all concepts
  • Hunos is not the concept of wind flowing beyond the Tower, and just vaguely described as "the very wind flowing beyond the tower"
  • Gustang flames don't have regeneration negation

Etc, etc.

On future RTs, I will NOT use Webtoon for my scans. Webtoon is absolute dogshit.
 
I think you're railroading a statement into something that you think is right, but not actually being correct.
Well, you can think whatever you like. In the end, the staff will be the ones to accept the threads. If they think my interpretations are not better than yours, so be it. I don't have any problem with you being right.
Doesn't seem to me that way, there was energy on the other side which Bam matches
We see Dumas needing to move his hand to pierce his opponents with that cross, and it seems like he only used it when he chanted Rosario.

Dumas didn’t move an inch when Baam was firing. The only time he moved was to overpower Baam's arrow.

Does Baam's combination with Leviathan and the Black March, have any anti-feats?

Also, didn’t Leviathan say Baam has enough power to host Leviathan’s abilities and use them? Leviathan was planning to lend his power to support Baam in his fight against Traumerei.
No, there's a later shot with Bam straight up blocking the attacks surrounding him with his hands
I checked that scan its not clear. From next panel it showed Dumas was using his left hand Baam used reverse flow to stop Dumas right hand.
He pierced him with a direct blow and Bam was using less power at the time
That'd be some weird af scaling ngl
If you really think Baam was matching up Dumas with Liviathan. It's still one of the strongest animal which Traumerie possessed and Traumerie was able to get strong stronger by absorbing back even of the 7 animal he directly shared powers.

Baam was doing the same thing here merging with Liviathan.
But it didn't, it had an interpretation here and official translation hasn't been messing up for quite a while now
It has nothing to do with interpretation. There is a clear difference between the words used to say 'power was equal to' and 'power was almost equal to.'

If they added 'almost' on their own without the raws stating it, then it’s clearly a mistranslation and purely headcanon.
 
 
Here a little gift for you, fear inducing paralysis for Rak and resistance to it for every regular that faced him and those who are above him(also, Rak can see aura like most of the verse, why do they only whrite can sense aura?)
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Limited fear manipulation via Social influencing.
 
Actually that'd be just straight up social influencing. Fear manip would be straight up mind control to make you feel fear. This is just Rak being so menacing that the opponent froze in place like a man freezes when he sees a bear in front of him.
 
Actually that'd be just straight up social influencing. Fear manip would be straight up mind control to make you feel fear. This is just Rak being so menacing that the opponent froze in place like a man freezes when he sees a bear in front of him.
I don't think so, they don't know Rak, they have a similar AP and were beating him 2v1 and didn't back up after seeing his bro being burned. We have seen BOS2 regulars facing the strongest high rankers of the Tower without being socially influenced to the point of not being able to move 🤔
 
I don't think so, they don't know Rak, they have a similar AP and were beating him 2v1 and didn't back up after seeing his bro being burned. We have seen BOS2 regulars facing the strongest high rankers of the Tower without being socially influenced to the point of not being able to move 🤔
That's generally something we put as Social Influencing here on VSBW. Some people have a menacing 'aura' to them not to mention most of them can feel the shinsu flow. Rak looks like a large dinosaur too so that factors in. There's been arguments about it even when people did this in different verses and it got rejected as fear hax.
 
I don't think the look really matter for tower born, that might be the case if we were talking about BOS Baam and Rachel who come from the outside, even his fellow assassin had a more terrifying look 👹 Rak is also the only one in TOG with that feat.

Anyways, i have 4 majors CRT planned:
1 - The conceptual nature of Shinsu
2 - The Tower mechanics
3 - The Irregulars and Shinwonryu/Admins
3 - The remaining abilities and theirs layers
There is a 5the one who is for ap and size
If you are ready, i can start with 1 and give you all my arguments for it.
 
Other than the upgrades for Baam, shouldn't we also update Traumerei and Gustang's profiles as well, considering the final stretch of their duel? For example, Traumerei should have two keys, one for his Base and one for his Full Power, after re-absorbing all his Shinheuh. Likewise, Gustang should have a small indicator of having higher AP when using Eurasia Blossom's Flames.

So, in effect:

(Traumerei)

Tier: High 6-A
, Varies, up to High 6-A with Shinheuh | At least High 6-A, higher with Evil Spirit

Key: Base | Full Power

Attack Potency: Multi-Continent level
, Varies, up to Multi-Continent level with Shinheuh | At least Multi-Continent level (Immensely stronger than before after re-absorbing all of his Shinheuh. Easily annihilated Gustang's Unos, whereas neither he or Valhalla could do so before), higher with Evil Spirit (Traumerei implies it to be his most powerful Shinheuh, and it only became more powerful still after Traumerei made it absorb all the surrounding souls of the deceased, including that of Baylord Doom and Dowon's. Implied to be more powerful than Traumerei himself, who uses it to protect himself from Gustang's flames)

(Gustang)

Tier: High 6-A
, higher with Eurasia Blossom's Flames

Attack Potency: Multi-Continent level, higher with Eurasia Blossom's Flames (Eurasia's power is immensely above his own. Pierced through Full Power Traumerei's Evil Spirit, and would have nearly killed him if not for Urek's intervention)
 
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Other than the upgrades for Baam, shouldn't we also update Traumerei and Gustang's profiles as well, considering the final stretch of their duel? For example, Traumerei should have two keys, one for his Base and one for his Full Power, after re-absorbing all his Shinheuh. Likewise, Gustang should have a small indicator of having higher AP when using Eurasia Blossom's Flames.

So, in effect:

(Traumerei)

Tier: High 6-A
, Varies, up to High 6-A with Shinheuh | At least High 6-A, higher with Evil Spirit

Key: Base | Full Power

Attack Potency: Multi-Continent level
, Varies, up to Multi-Continent level with Shinheuh | At least Multi-Continent level (Immensely stronger than before after re-absorbing all of his Shinheuh. Easily annihilated Gustang's Unos, whereas neither he or Valhalla could do so before), higher with Evil Spirit (Traumerei implies it to be his most powerful Shinheuh, and it only became more powerful still after Traumerei made it absorb all the surrounding souls of the deceased, including that of Baylord Doom and Dowon's. Implied to be more powerful than Traumerei himself, who uses it to protect himself from Gustang's flames)

(Gustang)

Tier: High 6-A
, higher with Eurasia Blossom's Flames

Attack Potency: Multi-Continent level, higher with Eurasia Blossom's Flames (Eurasia's power is immensely above his own. Pierced through Full Power Traumerei's Evil Spirit, and would have nearly killed him if not for Urek's intervention)
We're already discussing it
 
higher with Eurasia Blossom's Flames
Eurasis flames are hax, they burnt through the flesh of the Malice creature because they were merged with Okbi which bypasses any physical defense, which is why Gustang mentioned that the regeneration was becoming slower and thus he was going to win.

Anyways, I'm currently doing Trau RT however I have to do a RT for his shinheuhs as well as one for Yasratcha and it's a pain in the ass.
 
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