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While the 100x 1% scaling should hold for the Family Heads and Zahard, the 5-10% scaling used for strong Rankers may be questionable since when Urek fought Hell Joe, he wasn't able to use shinsoo, unlike when he finger poked Karaka.We will use Urek's 1% finger's attack calc (Low End is 4.6 Teratons) to scale to the Family Heads, Zahard, Top 300 High Rankers, Transformed Hell Joe and characters who scale to them if its accepted?
So, 6%? 7.5%? Luckily, this doesn't fall under multipliers based on arbitrary superiority since Urek explicitly needs more than 5%, although that doesn't help approximate things...Also, I agree with @ElajRuengies, but I would definitely put Transformed Hell Joe above 5% Urek, but weaker than 10% Urek, due to Urek's need to remove that anklet against Hell Joe
@ElajRuengies
Yes, this is a good point, but if so, then I think we should scale Transformed Hell Joe and characters comparable to him to be superior to 5% Urek without shinsoo, whose AP should be 14.6 Teratons.
Ah, in that case yeah; Transformed Hell Joe (and thus Top 300 High Rankers) is 14.6 Teratons, while folk who are double that are 29.3 TeratonsNah, I didn't mean about multiplier based on superiority, I was just saying that Transformed Hell Joe was only above 5% Urek due to the last one needing to have to remove the anklet against him, that's all.
The calc's done now, and the result is ~3.0475 Teratons, which slightly less than the 4.6 Teratons previously, and makes 100% Urek w/ shinsoo 304.75 TeratonsSo it would not be better and necessary to redo 1% Urek's finger attack calc then? If the calc does not give a good result, I think then we should scale Family Heads and Zahard to 10% Urek's calc (29.3 Teratons)
KE calcs in general are shaky since they rely on a specific timeframe, and as speed is squared in the formula, they can differ by orders of magnitude with relatively minor changes. This is the most pronounced in "Happening across a single panel" timeframes, where it could be anywhere from 1 - 5 seconds depending on rule of thumb.I mean, the characters who are currently 6-B+ should not remain as they are due to Khel Hellam's Partial Release of Ancient Power calc? If this calc is accepted, of course
In my personal opinion, the second output (Low 6-B) which models the attack as a disk is more accurate that the first output (High 6-C+) which models it as a cube, but that's ultimately just my opinion. A calc group member as yet to evaluate it.Also, which result of the Rose Shower's calc you did is correct? High 6-C+ or Low 6-B?
Yeah, looks good to me, (although, narrative wise, 100% Serious Urek is probably more than 304.7 Teratons, since Urek's fingerjab wasn't a named technique like Super Duper King Flame Punch)Let's just take into account that Jinsung's Piercing Techniques are on another level in comparison to that of Baam and Karaka, and that Dragon Tiger Gate is very OP, being even superior to Baam's Twing Wings
So if all calcs are accepted, then the scaling characters will be like this:
High 6-B (304.7 Teratons): Urek, Family Heads, Real Zahard and likely EoS Baam if SIU manages to get there (I really hope he will continue and finish ToG one day despite his poor health)
highest 6-B (49.4 Teratons): Essence of Bravery Form Kallavan, Yama's Complete Transformation, Prime White with Cullinan, Khun Royale Elliot and the Partial Release of Ancient Powers from Khel Hellam and Evankhell
middle 6-B (14.6 Teratons): Base Kallavan, Base Yama, Base Evankhell, Dowon, Prime White (without Cullinan), Ha Jinsung, Dokoko, Real Maschenny, Garam, Transformed Hell Joe, Possessed Yuri, Lepavuv's Bullets, Elpathion's Lighthouses, Cheonhee's Sylpheed shields, El Robina, Prime Doom, Current Doom with Half-Body Transformation, Paul with Partial Transformations and Half-Body Transformation, S3 TSM Baam with Blue Thryssa Transformations
highest Low 6-B (2.09 Teratons): Post-Clone White, Base Yuri with Green April Ignition, The Nest Arc Karaka, Sharon, S3 Cheonhee, S3 TSM Baam, Weakened/Current Doom (without Half-Body Transformation)
High 6-C+ (759.7 Gigatons) or middle Low 6-B (1.8 Teratons) depending on which method is accepted, the characters who will scale to this will be: Base Yuri without Green April Ignition, Pre-The Nest Arc Karaka, Dorian Frog, S2 Cheonhee, Evan Edrok, Gado, Paul Base, Soo-oh, Red Thryssa Transformations Baam, Real Yu Han Sung
Low 7-B (2.4 Megatons): The versions of Baam from Floor of Death Arc and Hidden Floor Arc with 1st Thorn, Data Yu Han Sung, Hidden Floor Arc Androssi, Post-3 Siblings Hoaqin (Last Station Arc)
The only characters I have doubted which tier are Elpathion's AP and Yasratcha, but is the rest correct?
It was accepted, but it was sort of a package deal with the speed calc of Data Jahad flying up in the Arena in the time it took Real Jahad to finish a monologue (which was also accepted), placing early regulars at Subsonic+ to Transonic Speeds, and Rankers at High Hypersonic Speeds for the Speed CRT, but since that was overruled, the Massively Hypersonic Low-Tiers and Relativistic Mid to God Tiers speed calcs were kept, and Urek's Lightspeed Attack Speed Word of God statement was deletedFurthermore, that calc of S1 Khun's speed cannot be applied to the profiles of those who scale him since it was accepted? Or am I missing something?
Not to mention how- in a previous chapter (S2 CH303), Khun and Rak react to the Mirror from a way closer distance than Data Urek, meaning that they must apparently be Relativistic+...)
- The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror. (The Mirror of Scales is totally a normal mirror)
The big one comes out to be 16.15 Teratons, or slightly above 14.65 Teratons, so... success?Okay, besides, don't we have the feat of Transformed Hell Joe pulverizing a few mountains during his assault against Urek, Baam, Yuri and Hockney? I know it would probably be hard to be a 6-B feat, but I think it's worth a try
Ah, that reminds me, the Hand of Arlene calc got accepted! (I mean, this is still a somewhat decent increase in AP, and it’s consistent with the scaling we’re doing and the calcs you did, it’s already something good
The current problem is not that we don’t have people to calculate, it’s the fact that it takes almost 1 month for your calcs to be accepted and I’m being generous with the amount of time it takes
Yeah but that's for Workshop Bam (Who's comparable to Endorsi via Workshop Patrol scaling); Return of the Prince Bam couldn't even break through Horyang's Shield Mode, which would put him around the same level as Hand of Arlene-Workshop Randon't think it'd be much for scaling as it would only upgrade anak ran and those who scale to them. Bam already scales to Endorsi's 7-C+ so it is essentially a priority 3-2 feat
Yes, in the past, but with the change of the forum, but now we no longer have that limit, even on this site we have discussion threads reaching almost 100 pages currentlyYup! (Side note; Aren't threads supposed to close when they hit 500 messages or something? All the previous threads were only ever that long)
Nah- it'd basically just be a page about Data Viole and Data Kisiea anyway, since the scaling for Bero Bero and Phonsekal Irure is something I don't know where to even start on.Would it be a good idea to make the page for Sworn Enemies? Of course, we will not have a page for each one, we will only have different keys in the same profile for each one of those who show relevant feats (Like the sworn enemies from Baam and Aguero)
Overestimated:Guys, in your opinion, who are the most underestimated and overestimated characters in terms of power in general?
I think Yuri being in the Top 500 was stated early on in one of those lore compilations, when it talks about Evan's abilities being very low for someone in the Top 100, although I'm not sure of the blogpost-to-chapters timeline. Also yeah, even in fights like against Hell Joe and Kallavan where she only mildly annoys the attacker, she still doesn't end up bloodied or even all that damaged. Meanwhile Paul and Doom just had the worst match up against Yama, who also has a passive that literally nullifies attacks from people who are scared of him, meaning they can't even save face for struggling. (Paul specifically would probably get more respect if his name was cooler lol)As far as I can remember, Yuri entered the Top 500 after obtaining Green April, not before. I think it's more due to the fact that Yuri gives people a good impression during her fights, even when the situation was clearly not in her favor and even her chances of winning were nil, she was never afraid and stopped fighting, while characters like Doom, despite being the former 200 Top and clearly stronger than Base Yuri even in his weakened state, when he faced Yama, he was afraid of the latter and gave the impression that he was weak (which it wasn’t really true, it’s just that Yama was too strong for him, that's all). Honestly, I'm happy with the Top 300 retcon, before that, it didn't really give the impression that the characters in the Top 100 and people below them were really strong, but now we know that only one of them can fight against the entire Squadron (without their leader) of Zahard's Army and their chance of winning is practically guaranteed. Now people like Doom and Paul have earned my respect a lot more (the latter became High Ranker without even being able to use his guaranteed power at birth, the Transformations, which is a respectable feat)
Ah, you bringing Dowon up earlier is what made me think about Dowon's powerscaling in the first place! (Although I wouldn't put as probably stronger than Jinsung given her own statements. Although Cha did manage to pressure Yasratcha, but that's not the most solid feat, so who knows)Dowon, I never underestimated her in terms of power, I always thought that she and Jinsung had comparable achievements and if I have to go even further, I would say that she is probably stronger than him, considering her historic and even Elpathion believing that Kallavan would have trouble with her even with his two arms untied and that capturing her wouldn't be easy
That's what happens when you hang around Boro for too long...The problem with Sachi is that he ended up transforming himself into a comedy character and that’s why he didn’t look strong
Princesses seem to have that air to them...Maschenny so far in her Base form has been shown to be weaker than Jinsung, but her ranking of her shows that she really is the monster, with Redan she must be a beast, but I agree that the people hypes her too much
If that's true, that'd make Data Jahad genuinely enjoying himself (despite having an arm blow off) while fighting Bam oddly fittingLol, I always thought V and Arlen were one of Zahard's strongest companions alongside Arie Hon, Yurin and Eduan. I think V and Zahard's relationship during the war was more or less similar to that of Hashirama and Madara, constant struggles between the two while Zahard laughed while having fun fighting with V
The way I see is- if normal people becoming High Rankers are like them climbing to the top of a Mountain, then the 10 Family Heads and Zahard are on the Sun, and people like Eurasia Enne and Adori are on the Moon. They're both so far above people on the surface that the Moon and Sun can be clumped together as equally "really really far away", but in reality one is much more distant than the otherAdori is a complicated case, but I also don't think she is capable of defeating the Family Head considering the difference between a resident of the Tower and Irregular is portrayed in the lore, the lines of Gustang and Kallavan saying that Zahard does not recognize anyone besides the 10 Family Heads (and likely Urek) as his equals
I mean, if a part of a Squadron is entirely made up of particularly brave yet weak folk like Fucile, then maybe they can stall him, but that's pretty unlikely.Honestly, this Yama hax is genuinely OP for the current war situation, for example, if an Squadron (without their Squadron Commander) decides to attack Yama alone, if the latter decides to use his Fear Hax (if they are affected by it, obviously) + Passive resistance to energy/shinsoo based attacks against those who are afraid of him, he can practically stand there without any worries, heck, they couldn't even at least hold back him as the 4th Army Corp did against Evankhell. Considering all this, from Zahard's Army side, only Kallavan, Yasratcha, Lyborick and Maschenny can really pose a threat and a good match for Yama in this war, but defeating him is a different situation (since we haven't seen his true full power yet)
Fair enoughNot wanting to lengthen this discussion about Dowon's power, I say that it must simply be stronger than Post-Clone White's Spinel
It's a shame that Real Jahad made Data Jahad have an adverse reaction if he even heard their names (like how he didn't seem to know much of Arlene at all besides how she wasn't someone he was supposed to hear about), meaning he might not have even remembered V at that point...Yes, but speaking, my headcanon is that Zahard and V are equal in power. . Honestly, during Baam's fight with Data Zahard, I would like to see the flashback of DZ fighting V and having fun, it would have been even more epic, but we will probably see that in a future fight between EoS Baam and Adult Zahard
Oh shoot they did-Also, want to discuss the change from "Multiple Personalities" to "Multiple Selves" that happened recently and which characters from ToG should have each type
Post-Clone White should have Multiples Selves Types 1 and 2? Since he didn't completely fuse/absorb his Clone (and White's fusion is based on both fusion of souls and body), so what do you think guys?
Evankhell and Khel Hellam should have Multiples Selves Types 1, 2 and 3? I mean, the "Ancients" (The Elephant and Bull) are literally inside of them
Hell Joe should have Multiple Selves Type 3 due to having the Red Thryssa physically inside of him
what a wank. Not everything is freaking shinsu and if every attack there is atomization every db and naruto feat should be atomization. Idk though, pretty sure i'd be right this time.Alright so that's done
Side note- while digging through old ToG Calcs I discovered this- Small Country level Ran (and also using the Mago joke to get AP...)
Huh, I thought that was already listed. If it isn't then yeah, definitelyI've been wondering, shouldn't we be giving Post-Revolution Baam and Season 3 Base Baam the power: Transformation? He can enter True Self Mode and use the Red/Blue Thryssa Transformations at his will
Sub Atomization actually, which means overcoming the Strong Nuclear Force; Atomization is basically just Vaporization++ or totally overcoming all molecular bonds, which isn't absurd but still a blatant highball.what a wank. Not everything is freaking shinsu and if every attack there is atomization every db and naruto feat should be atomization. Idk though, pretty sure i'd be right this time.
That and possibly Type III as well since it also is a physical thing, since I think the flame is literally inside Khun (kind of). Although just Type I is good for nowAlso, shouldn't Khun's Yeon Family Flame (which manifests as a Fire fish) count the Multiple Selves (Type 1)?