Toppo Stamina Upgrade

[Chartate101]

Small change, but Toppo should get Infinite stanina while in GoD form. He was able to break A17's shield, and according to Daizenhuu you have to have twice the ki as your opponent. We know they are refering to ki, as they mention that the infinite energy drive is the reason A17 and Cell use the Barrier so effectively. Given that Toppo's ki must be twice infinity, I think this should be changed.

From Kanzenshu: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9635 Under the name "Barrier"

 

[Aeyu]

>uses Daizenshuu numbers

They're not gonna accept that.

 

[Akreious]

This site is weirdly selective on what to believe and not to believe from the Daizenshuu. I bring up one thing, they blatantly say "Nope, not canon" but in another instance, "Well the Daizenshuu says . . .".

It's just weird.

 

[Ryukama]

The potency and strength of Toppo's ki might be infinite, but I'm not sure if that means his stamina is infinite. There are characters with much stronger and greater quantities of ki than 17, who don't have limitless stamina like him.

 

[Vietthai96]

Stupid, infinite energy and stamina is just they can fight and use energy wildly without care. Stamina and Ki is not the same thing. Beside infinite is infinite, there are not thing like twice of infinite or half of infinite. Twice ki as your opponent, that mean in order to break that Barrier you need an attack that twice stronger than barrier power, or you rather your attack need to have twice amount of Ki in it compare to the amount of ki use to project that barrier

 

[Akreious]

Ki directly correlates with your physical body. So yes, yes Ki DOES have something to do with your physical stamina.

 

[Ryukama]

Then why does Super Saiyan Blue Goku have limited stamina but Android 17's is infinite? Why aren't the plethora of people stronger than 18 infinite in stamina? You can have stronger or greater amounts of ki than the androids while still having limited stamina.

 

[Akreious]

You mean right now? Or before? Because before, the Kaioken put strain on the body and could've killed him. Just because you have infinite stamina does not mean damage and strain on your body suddenly disappears

 

[Ryukama]

One of the main plot points of the entire Tournament of Power is Goku having to not drain his stamina. He does not have infinite stamina, despite being as stronger than 17. Nor do many of the characters who are stronger than 18. Stronger or higher amounts of ki does not directly correlate with stamina. SSJ3 being another big example of that.

 

[AKM sama]

How is breaking 17's barrier even remotely related to stamina?

 

[Vietthai96]

There are two thing: Energy, Stamina or Endurance

Energy link to Attack Potency and Durability, Stamina or Endurance is how long you can do thing. For example in RoF Arc Golden Frieza have power potency slightly greater than Blue Goku, but his stamina is can not help him carry his form longer. That is the thing, Samina allow you to have a certain time to carry you strongest state, that why Goku in Cell Saga try to master SSJ form to make it like base form so it don't affect his performace; but he still lose samina because he need to endure the attack com from Perfect Cell. That is, Infinite Stamina allow you go wildly and maximum whiout a care while constantly withstand attack. While it tie up with your power, but it is different thing, Power is how strong you are, and Ki is Life Force, that mean the amount of energy you have, or rather your strenght, not your stamina

 

[Chartate101]

I personally don't think ki=stamina, but Android 17's profie says limitless stamina, which comes from his infinite energy aka infinite ki. So is ki stamina or not? if it is, both Toppo and A17 should have Limitless, and if it isn't neither should. Because Toppo might not have infinite physical stamina, but, as shown by this, he does have infinite ki.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

There are tons of statements involving the limitless stamina of 17 and 18, and it isn't just because of their energy/ki.

Also, the Daizenshü, we usually probably shouldn't use.

Inb4 SSJ multipliers

 

[Ryukama]

Being stronger than the androids =/= having limitless stamina. Or else SSJ3 Goku wouldn't have any stamina issues since he was much stronger than 18. Nor would SSB Goku since he's stronger than 17, and vastly superior to the Android Saga androids. Heck Toppo stated that Jiren has limited stamina, which Jiren didn't deny at all.

 

[Chartate101]

There are tons of statements involving the limitless stamina of 17 and 18, and it isn't just because of their energy/ki.

Also, the Daizenshü, we usually probably shouldn't use.

Inb4 SSJ multipliers

• Approved by Toriyama*

Give a reason why it isn't canon please

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Toei made a Tweet recently that implies the Super Saiyan Blue form has a '''''multiplier of 1'''''.

 

[Ryukama]

A silly meme from their Twitter account celebrating 90,000 followers cannot be taken seriously for anything. Nor does it somehow discredit the Daizenshuu, which is written by completely different people than those who run the Twitter account, and even if it was by the same people again it's just a meme they made. Not an actual WoG statement.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I know. I just thought it was funny. Because they began with "lets freshen up our math skills".

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I don't know, I usually don't use the Daizenshü. If we did that, DBZ Kai Goku should be High 3-A, and so GT Goku should also be High 3-A in base.

 

[Ryukama]

All I'm saying is that Twitter post proves or disproves nothing at all.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Yes, I know. I've seen all of the Dante and Mundus stuff and all of the Godzilla stuff. XD

 

[Aeyu]

I largely agree with Ryu on this one.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Totally disagree with giving Toppo infinite stamina. Ryu basically spells it out. However, I've got this to add:

If this reasoning was allowed to go through, it would imply that all the GoDs have infinite stamina. All this transformation is Toppo ascending to become a GoD and having access to those abilities.

I don't know about you guys, but the GoDs have never been noted to have anything like that.

 

[AKM sama]

Well, this thread can be closed now.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

^

 

[Vietthai96]

This thread need to be close

Scaling and Kanzenshu Sources is wrong. Beside there is no statement and feat supporting the reason: Toppo need upgrade to Infinite Stamina in G.o.D Form