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Controlling Aristotelian concepts that preside over reality felt like it may fall in there, but guess not.
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Top Five Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier 3
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What about Type 2 tho
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Going by Conceptual Manipulation, Type 2 sounds kinda smurfy, but I don't really see why Type 3 would be given it's still directly linked to reality.
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Why are kingdom Hearts people up there tho
I thought they have Concept 2
I thought they have Concept 2
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We haven't decided if Conceptual Type 2 counts as smurf yet...
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may i ask why..? is it because many people are confused on that type...?
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I don't really think it counts as smurf hax as they have a scale pre defined, look at the page for example:
2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.
2. False Platonic Concept: Such concepts, or forms, are mostly transcendent of reality. These concepts shape all of reality and whatever level that reality exists in, and everything in reality "participates" in these concepts. These concepts interact with their objects in the same manner as listed above. In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept on whatever scale has been shown.
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have 2-C enhanced sensesDante Demon Killah said:
Regenerationn on a 2-C concept as well
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Type 2 isn't smurf hax by default, it's inherently limited to an area (ie the universe) it would theoretically affect the future, but only in the same way any other 3D hax would.
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Dementia, Void Knight and Baroque can probably get a spot on their tiers, although i'm not sure if we would count their concept hax as smurfy or not due to type 2 shenanigans.
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Why would it count as smurf hax? It only has potency on the dimensionality its been shown on. If that's not higher than the tier, then it's not smurf.
Read a couple of posts above, you missed the discussion.
Read a couple of posts above, you missed the discussion.
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Type 2 isn't smurf unless it has been shown to work on a multiversal scale. So, for what tier should I add them?CrimsonStarFallen said:
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The discussion explicity came to the conclusion that it isn't, so you didn't read it well.
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I saw those two people gives reasons why it isn't, which I agree with. But I didn't see anyone clammering earlier about it being smurf concede that it isn't or kudos one of those comments. And considering I never even heard why you guys thought it was smurf in the first place, I couldn't be sure that those responses addressed your concerns.Ionliosite said:
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@Ion
Dementia can confortably take 10-B, Fate hax and type 2 concept hax that bypasses god knows how many layers of resistances can oof Gil pretty confortably, plus he resists everything.
Baroque probably ties with Zach. Zach can't interact with him due to abstract existence, but he can't really bypass the time loop since his concept hax isn't exactly the most combat applicable, and it isn't even in character.
Void Knight i think would tie with Bone Devil. Looking at his page i can't lie when i say i see nothing that stops the Knight from one-shotting but it's DnD, so it's safe to just say it's a tie.
Dementia can confortably take 10-B, Fate hax and type 2 concept hax that bypasses god knows how many layers of resistances can oof Gil pretty confortably, plus he resists everything.
Baroque probably ties with Zach. Zach can't interact with him due to abstract existence, but he can't really bypass the time loop since his concept hax isn't exactly the most combat applicable, and it isn't even in character.
Void Knight i think would tie with Bone Devil. Looking at his page i can't lie when i say i see nothing that stops the Knight from one-shotting but it's DnD, so it's safe to just say it's a tie.
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Again, on what tier?CrimsonStarFallen said:
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8-C.
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That profile is Zach at his peak, so he only really has 5 or 6 restarts left, iirc. Can't keep it going forever, at least, but he can leave the loop and let the opponent trapped in the collapsed universe when the restarts run out, I guess.
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Characters from Vampire Hunter D for 3rd 8-C place.
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Possibly Tsuruno Yui rumor form in 7-a? How would she hold up against copen
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Bump
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Gunvolt for 5th 8-B, since Joule basically says "No" to his death, but he's no match for Nen Crush GG.
Remove Alex Mercer from 7-C. He's 9-A now. Where he'd go into 9-A (And he WOULD go into 9-A) I don't know.
Speaking of 7-C, I think Zonda could have a chance against Rimuru. Paradise Lost, the move Zonda uses once they get serious, is able to deconstruct Gunvolt on a level that hurts and could kill him. The same guy who casually turns into Electrons. Sub-Sub Atomic. I think that's a little bit above what Rimuru can regenerate from. I'll make the match in a moment.
Remove Alex Mercer from 7-C. He's 9-A now. Where he'd go into 9-A (And he WOULD go into 9-A) I don't know.
Speaking of 7-C, I think Zonda could have a chance against Rimuru. Paradise Lost, the move Zonda uses once they get serious, is able to deconstruct Gunvolt on a level that hurts and could kill him. The same guy who casually turns into Electrons. Sub-Sub Atomic. I think that's a little bit above what Rimuru can regenerate from. I'll make the match in a moment.
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I'll add Alex Mercer as 4th 9-A. If someone disagrees, they can just make the match.
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Shouldn't Ainz be removed from this? He has Time Stop iirc that's 4d?
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Time abilities aren't considered smurf by default.
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Ok I was just asking I thought messing with Time is 4-d
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Messing with time is 4-D, but we had a discussion thread ago why time manip was considered an exception on this thread.
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What else are exceptions?
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Nothing, not even range.
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Even though Timehax usually gives much more advantages compared to higher-d range?
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Yes.
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Why?
