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Top 10 strongest non smurfs.

His time stuff isn't 4D. He just goes back in time and stops time. It's not smurfing.

That's like saying DIO is smurfing because he has universal time stop.
 
Sir Ovens said:
I'm confused, so every time manipulator is smurfing?
No. It is technically 4D, but not smurfy. Since most time hax don't gain the "infinitely stronger than 3D" trait which makes them immune to stuff like power null and bypass and 3d resistance.
 
Then Kars is in. Infinite lives, can reset the battle every time he's losing, invisible ghost dudes with powers, accelerating his speed to infinity, insane resistance to mind manip, can steal your powers just by looking and by physically taking them away with Stand discs, etc.
 
He can't do anything to Iihiko. I wonder if attack reflection would work on meth actually, but meh anyway. </div> Why?

Also Meth has his own attack reflection.
 
Cus Meth has nothing to force recognition to hax iihiko. Iihiko doesn't literally reflect it though, mostly just the damage or a backlash of breaking your skill.

@Rocker He has smurf Mindhax so no.

@Ovens Hmm share a spot with the operator?
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Im pretty sure i've heard it's like 2-B mind hax or sth like that. Not sure.
No it is just on the level of every human nightmare from the past, to the present, to the future.

Actually not just human, every creature that can have nightmares in league verse.
 
Just under Yhwach is what I'm lead to believe. Though I still believe he can beat Yhwach.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Cus Meth has nothing to force recognition to hax iihiko. Iihiko doesn't literally reflect it though, mostly just the damage or a backlash of breaking your skill.
The fact that Meth can easily overpower his resistance to mind hax should be enough to just stand there, same thing with Nihilus.
 
Tony di bugalu said:
The fact that Meth can easily overpower his resistance to mind hax should be enough to just stand there, same thing with Nihilus.
Yes, but doesn't prevent Iihiko or Yhwach from gaining resistance to those and/or nulling it. Like dude didn't we just have the fight with Iihiko vs Reinhard were we agreed that Iihiko would not be fazed by the spear passives due to his ability? Meth is below that.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Yes, but doesn't prevent Iihiko or Yhwach from gaining resistance to those and/or nulling it. Like dude didn't we just have the fight with Iihiko vs Reinhard were we agreed that Iihiko would not be fazed by the spear passives due to his ability? Meth is below that.
How can you adapt to something when you are already ****** by said thing? Nobody argued about the mind hax nor the resistance there so null point.
 
PaChi2 said:
Iihiko gets sent to The Void.
Exdeath triumphs.
Iihiko nopes

Sending someone to a 2-A BFR is a smurf ability though. That's like saying Ahzek is not a smurf cus 1-B BFR doesn't give a tier. xD
 
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