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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued (again)

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I also already retracted my statement on Shulk stomping on similar, as said before, I just got lazy at the time and gave up, but Shulk winning isn't exactly what I'm thinking now either way, so...
 
@TheKingStrategist13 Yeah because Sora literally has no answer to Shulk's passive fate hax, a thread not concluding doesn't mean the results in said thread aren't final, especially when a thread being a mismatch for how much of a stomp it is further proves the results being a decisive win for a character.

@Bobsican by all means make a rematch for Shulk and Sora if you think Sora can win now
 
"New abilities on the fly"
I'm sure Shulk very sporadically gets new powers of that kind in the first place, and even so the ones obtained that way are quite eh and unrelated to what's argued as said before.
You mean when he was learning how to use The Monado and is unaware of how these abilities are showing up? Only to then find out after Alvis just pulls the perfect power to counter the threat at hand that you can do that by just willing it to happen and then it will.
When Shulk has mastered the Monado he has shown to pull abilities out of his ass just like Alvis.

Though I'm gonna go change the debate to that Shulk Vs Sora thread since this isn't the place for it.
 
@ThanatosX and is shulk "all of those characters with vague explanation on RE?" Because he literally has onscreen evidence of getting new abilities on the fly in the middle of fights? Besides nothing about my comment in RE when it came to shulk was remotely talking about him adapting by gaining new resistances on the fly, it's specifically him getting new abilities on the fly to adapt to the situation which he has showings of. If Sora doesn't have anyway to combat this then he's screwed in the long run.
Than he is able to gain any ability in existence regardless of him showing of being able to gain said ability? Because this would mean that his RE would be limitless, which is the definition of NLF. No matter if he was shown to be able to gain abilities in the fly, him getting any ability that he was not shown to use would be NLF.
I am not arguing about this specific fight, but about RE being able to gain any ability, which is so NLF that I don't think I have to explain why. If that's how his RE currently works, than a revision must be done, but this isn't the place to talk about it so I will drop the argument for now.
 
Than he is able to gain any ability in existence regardless of him showing of being able to gain said ability? Because this would mean that his RE would be limitless, which is the definition of NLF. No matter if he was shown to be able to gain abilities in the fly, him getting any ability that he was not shown to use would be NLF.
I am not arguing about this specific fight, but about RE being able to gain any ability, which is so NLF that I don't think I have to explain why. If that's how his RE currently works, than a revision must be done, but this isn't the place to talk about it so I will drop the argument for now.
Thankfully for us, Bob has recently made a thread just to tackle that.
 
Question, how exactly would time be 4D if time itself is a single dimension?
The standard we adhere to is that spacetime is 4 dimensions, 3 spatial and 1 temporal, hence why the standard for being Low 2-C involves destroying time as well as space and why immeasurable speed requires the ability to run through time as a prerequisite
 
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Quick Question, how does Sora not just lose to Ainchase passively eeing reality as a whole, I don't see aca type 1 or smth of the sort or the ability to act within a nonexistent void on his page, so he just gets his past ee'd and gets undone, but even if he does I do not think he has a proper way to do anything inside of the nonexistent void that would be left of reality after ainchase is done with it
 
Are you saying he’s above Alte but not Ehit? (tsuki ga michibiku vs Afrifureta is a very complicated topic and Arifureta is listed above Tsuki ga right now pretty much just because the profiles are gonna get updated eventually and then they’re going to be put up against arifureta again.)
Alte is 4th place
I see. My bad i read it wrong. Anyway as for current profile Jerga stomps Alte.
 
9A has been talked about numerous times and it was still not updated lmao. For one, Haruna lost to Isaac, so she should be moved down a spot and Isaac added
 
9A has been talked about numerous times and it was still not updated lmao. For one, Haruna lost to Isaac, so she should be moved down a spot and Isaac added
And now you got Johnny Test to deal with.

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And now you got Johnny Test to deal with.

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And Isaac literally passively nukes and has so much upscaling from his 9-A feat that I wouldn't be surprised if his existing or shooting once would remove Johnny from the face of the earth, let alone his 11+ ways of ressing that reach mid-godly levels, or his long long long list of shit that would just merk
 
And Isaac literally passively nukes and has so much upscaling from his 9-A feat that I wouldn't be surprised if his existing or shooting once would remove Johnny from the face of the earth, let alone his 11+ ways of ressing that reach mid-godly levels, or his long long long list of shit that would just merk
Are these nukes hax?

Cause, ya know, I AM advocating for Ainz to get on the list and he has Low 7-C dura
 
And Isaac literally passively nukes and has so much upscaling from his 9-A feat that I wouldn't be surprised if his existing or shooting once would remove Johnny from the face of the earth, let alone his 11+ ways of ressing that reach mid-godly levels, or his long long long list of shit that would just merk
I should've put a "/j" after my comment...

Like I said, I'm not trying to argue that Johnny should be #1, I'm arguing for Top 10 here.
 
The standard we adhere to is that spacetime is 4 dimensions, 3 spatial and 1 temporal, hence why the standard for being Low 2-C involves destroying time as well as space and why immeasurable speed requires the ability to run through time as a prerequisite
Yes, but that's spacetime (a space-time continuum) and you literally said that time manipulation would be 4D, that is not true at all.

You quite literally debunked your previous claim.
 
Quick Question, how does Sora not just lose to Ainchase passively eeing reality as a whole, I don't see aca type 1 or smth of the sort or the ability to act within a nonexistent void on his page, so he just gets his past ee'd and gets undone, but even if he does I do not think he has a proper way to do anything inside of the nonexistent void that would be left of reality after ainchase is done with it
He resists EE on a type 1 concept and type 2 info level on at least 27 layers and 1 ResNeg layer.

Anyways, Sora has "true" flight and can still travel across other universes or similar, he also resists time manip a lot as the above.
 
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Yes, but that's spacetime (a space-time continuum) and you literally said that time manipulation would be 4D, that is not true at all.

You quite literally debunked your previous claim.
Time is considered 4-D yes, not sure how that debunks it at all
 
If so, then what about this lad?

 
If so, then what about this lad?

Ainz thinks death lol
 
He resists EE on a type 1 concept and type 2 info level on at least 27 layers and 1 ResNeg layer, heck, his data self (who he upscales to) could withstand the reset of a 2-A structure while he was still in it.

Anyways, Sora has flight and can travel to even other 2-A structures.
Yes, I am not arguing he beats Sora in the present, I am saying Sora has no way to live past his past self getting ee'd given his lack of aca type 1 or something resembling it, sure he can resist EE on the informational and conceptual level, but that doesn't cover historical/timeline EE.
1)Flight, movement, and a lot of other stuff in general, require time and space to function, something the battlefield would no longer have after this
2)If this is for the 2-B ends, sure
If this is for the 2-A ones, however, to my knowledge of KH it doesn't have above baseline 2-A range so those places would still get caught up in the cosmology nuke so it doesn't matter
 
I see. My bad i read it wrong. Anyway as for current profile Jerga stomps Alte.
Well I would actually say she stomps Jerga if it wasn't for abstract stuff. In which case Alte has passive lightning barrier still so even if she can't affect him directly he also couldn't bypass her lightning aura, so inconclusive as the profiles stand.
 
If so, then what about this lad?

Isn't SpongeBob way more haxxy? lol
 
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