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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation

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I personally don't think Garou should be placed above the Celestials without a match being made first. Garou's passive radiations wont be really effective since he lacks the range to fully affect something that is galaxy sized, and his portal based BFR wont work either since there is no evidence of him being able to create portals this big. From what I have seen, he is also not that high in AP neither, so even that won't be a big factor. Meanwhile, the Celestials can just manipulate matter to create a galaxy sized sun and kill him with it thanks to heat and gravity, create a Black Hole to suck him in or grab him with their massively higher LS.
I believe range is also why Bleach's character are lower, since their range is not sufficient to fully affect something that is galaxy sized like the Celestials. However, Incorporeality would also make them impossible to be fully killed by them, so at worst they should still probably share the place at the very least.
Imho, matches would be needed to decide who should be placed in which position in the 3-C Tier. And also yeah, I don't understand why Bender have 3 ratings when he is quite clearly just 3-A.

Let's debate it. Seems fun.
 
wait a minute
if garou cant get passed bleach characters then how is he getting passed celestials
This isn't for that. I just made the match for fun.

I think he beats the Celestials but loses to Bleach. I honestly think Bleach beats Celestials as well, but might not due to the size disadvantage.

Anyway, this fight I made doesn't necessarily have any bearing on this thread.
 
Should I remove Bender from 3-C since his current tiering is blatantly incorrect or should I still have him on the list but remove him when he's eventually revised?

Edit: I also pushed up Bleach's 5-C placement since they just objectively destroy Toneri, I believe it's beyond self evidence so I won't create a match up for it.
 
Anos for a place in 4-C.

Also he already won (?) agains Top 1 in H5-A so he should take that spot.
 
Anos for a place in 4-C.

Also he already won (?) agains Top 1 in H5-A so he should take that spot.
It seems like he won because of some smurfy shenanigans tbh. I looked through the thread and the reason why Planck conceded was because Anos supposedly has some 4-D stuff through his sword, which Du doesn't resist.
 
It seems like he won because of some smurfy shenanigans tbh. I looked through the thread and the reason why Planck conceded was because Anos supposedly has some 4-D stuff through his sword, which Du doesn't resist.
Ayo? Well, Anos won because of Venuzdonoa, but now I updated the profile and added Mauve Eyes, which are Venuz but portable without the Venuz Smurf, dunno if that makes any difference, what about a place in 4-C? He doesn't even need Venuz anymore tho.
 
Ayo? Well, Anos won because of Venuzdonoa, but now I updated the profile and added Mauve Eyes, which are Venuz but portable without the Venuz Smurf, dunno if that makes any difference, what about a place in 4-C? He doesn't even need Venuz anymore tho.
Unless Venuzdonoa is considered optional equipment/can be restricted under our rules, he can't be on the list since he still has access to that 4-D sword.
 
Unless Venuzdonoa is considered optional equipment/can be restricted under our rules, he can't be on the list since he still has access to that 4-D sword.
It can be restricted, he can only use it within the presence of his castle, which he has to cast a spell to summon.
 
K.E.V.I.N. should be removed from the 7th position of the Low 1-C list since he was upgraded. He should, instead, take the 7th position in the 1-C list.
His position in the Low 1-C list should most likely be taken by Loki (God of Stories), who has extremely powerful 6-D Time hax and a broken Time Travel which allows him to affect and rewrite character/places that are outside the regular flow of space and time, that are timeless, have no past, present or future and straight up do not exist, among other stuff.
 
Wondering if Brainy Barker could get a spot somewhere in the 7-C slot. I could argue that she beats Ali considering she'd always know what strategy he'll eventually dish out and could stop it at any time, but his FTL perception speed could be pretty hard to deal with. But she has more accurate Information Analysis via Telepathy and she can overpower him with superior LS.
 
People like Hajime Nagumo have many layers of conceptual (type 1) magic, which extends into existence erasure, power nullification, law manipulation, spatial manipulation, and etc.
I mean, the super layered stuff is ancient magic which is type 2 concept manip, though his type 1 EE chains also have some layers (like 3 or so iirc).
Hajime have CM1 now???, i remember the last time i visit his profile he has CM2
He have both since several months ago, his type 1 is only with Concept Magic which in tier 6 he use with his EE chains, otherwise is a thing that would only come to play if he get really pushed.
 
Wondering if Brainy Barker could get a spot somewhere in the 7-C slot. I could argue that she beats Ali considering she'd always know what strategy he'll eventually dish out and could stop it at any time, but his FTL perception speed could be pretty hard to deal with. But she has more accurate Information Analysis via Telepathy and she can overpower him with superior LS.
Should I make the match to be sure?
 
It can be restricted, he can only use it within the presence of his castle, which he has to cast a spell to summon.
Can we actually restrict specifics like this and still have them applicable to our profiles? Since this thread mostly, as of currently, abides by the rules set in place for Versus Matches.

If it's unallowed by our rules it's most likely unallowed on this thread type thing.

Should I make the match to be sure?
Yes.
 
Can we actually restrict specifics like this and still have them applicable to our profiles? Since this thread mostly, as of currently, abides by the rules set in place for Versus Matches.

If it's unallowed by our rules it's most likely unallowed on this thread type thing.


Yes.
We can restrict anything that has a different tier + is under the character's control.

At least, I remember a thread by... not sure who did it, where it was discussed that we can't add matches where an ability they can't control is restricted.
 
And is that really smurf? Isn't that just dimensional travel?
It depends on whether they are separate universes space-time or just random 3A dimensions without context, remember that what separates a universe is an unknown distance of a 5D nature.
 
Ayo? Well, Anos won because of Venuzdonoa, but now I updated the profile and added Mauve Eyes, which are Venuz but portable without the Venuz Smurf, dunno if that makes any difference, what about a place in 4-C? He doesn't even need Venuz anymore tho.
Might as well give up on getting him on this list. No matter what we do he isn't beating the smurf allegations.
It can be restricted, he can only use it within the presence of his castle, which he has to cast a spell to summon.
Can we actually restrict specifics like this and still have them applicable to our profiles? Since this thread mostly, as of currently, abides by the rules set in place for Versus Matches.

If it's unallowed by our rules it's most likely unallowed on this thread type thing.
I honestly don't think so. The fact he can summon a weapon with smurf hax already disqualifies him going by the rules of this thread since even smurfy mundane shit disqualifies others.

The fact he has to summon it doesn't make much of a difference either as the castle arrives in no time at all. What also qualifies as within the presence of the castle is broad as in volume 6, he uses it in a big ass forest that's near the castle. Vol 8 even has implications of the castle arriving on it's own after Anos was sealed without him summoning it.
 
I honestly don't think so. The fact he can summon a weapon with smurf hax already disqualifies him going by the rules of this thread since even smurfy mundane shit disqualifies others.

The fact he has to summon it doesn't make much of a difference either as the castle arrives in no time at all. What also qualifies as within the presence of the castle is broad as in volume 6, he uses it in a big ass forest that's near the castle. Vol 8 even has implications of the castle arriving on it's own after Anos was sealed without him summoning it.
I just remembered something about the rules of this thread. As explained in the OP itself, just the mere existence of you having these smurf abilities/resistances/items etc. Disqualifies you from placing in this thread. The example used of a character that's incapable of placing on this thread is Enrico Pucci from JoJo's.

If we're abiding by the logic Everything is arguing, he should be allowed in the tiers he's physically at since technically he can just not use his Stand's abilities; this would be analogous to our situation since Pucci actively needs to summon his Stand to use his abilities, similar to how Anos needs to summon his castle to use his sword's abilities. But, the original creator of this thread was clearly talking about the mere existence of these smurf things being disqualifiers, regardless if the character(s) in question can actively restrict them or not. He wouldn't have used Pucci as an example otherwise.

So yeah, I don't think Anos would be applicable for this thread, even if he could restrict his abilities.
 
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Mio Takamiya for the 10th spot of Low 2-C
 
Characters from Katana Zero to some place in 9-A and 8-C (Zero, Fifteen and Headhunter)
  • Layered precog that allow them to see infinite outcomes
  • Some have SoL techniques and equipaments
  • Extremly skilled
  • A lot of resistance
  • Immortality via Time Travel
  • Good stealth that works on enemies with supernatural senses
  • Read their minds is as meeting a lovecraft god
  • Sees everything in slow motion
 
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Characters from Katana Zero to some place in 9-A and 8-C
  • Layered precog that allow them to see infinite outcomes
  • Some have SoL techniques and equipaments
  • Extremly skilled
  • A lot of resistance
  • Immortality via Time Travel
  • Good stealth that works on enemies with supernatural senses
  • Read their minds is as meeting a lovecraft god
  • Sees everything in slow motion
I don't think they're getting past Ainz in 9-A, seeing as they're well within the range for his Attack Nullification to work and even without it his durability is Low 7-C, Ainz is the definition of cheating, as he's Low 7-C literally everywhere else but physical AP, plus his numerous ways to end the fight Instantly against a 9-A.

As for 8-C, I'm pretty sure they stop at Nuclear Throne or sooner, considering the whole "OP Radiation" thing they got going. Trazyn also incaps them in some way or another
 
Characters from Katana Zero to some place in 9-A and 8-C (Zero, Fifteen and Headhunter)
  • Layered precog that allow them to see infinite outcomes
  • Some have SoL techniques and equipaments
  • Extremly skilled
  • A lot of resistance
  • Immortality via Time Travel
  • Good stealth that works on enemies with supernatural senses
  • Read their minds is as meeting a lovecraft god
  • Sees everything in slow motion
I don't even think this really helps against someone like Tricky in 9-A tbh. Might just have to settle for 10th.
 
I don't think they're getting past Ainz in 9-A, seeing as they're well within the range for his Attack Nullification to work and even without it his durability is Low 7-C, Ainz is the definition of cheating, as he's Low 7-C literally everywhere else but physical AP, plus his numerous ways to end the fight Instantly against a 9-A.
What his level of heat resistance? Headhunter can vaporize steel instantaly with her canon (That also fire at SoL)
And how his attack nullification work?
As for 8-C, I'm pretty sure they stop at Nuclear Throne or sooner, considering the whole "OP Radiation" thing they got going. Trazyn also incaps them in some way or another
I played Nuclear Throne but I dont remember them being op ngl.
I don't even think this really helps against someone like Tricky in 9-A tbh. Might just have to settle for 10th.
They are is definitely above Corvo and Jean
 
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