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Then that thing needs to be argued for a higher spot, cause I seriously doubt the MCU 8-Cs can handle him and Ganon literally lacks mind resistance lmfao
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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation
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Just working by the laws of physics isn't grounds for them being non-anomalous, SCP-070 is just a dude with moving chains. It isn't on there, but he does have standard foundation equipment to deal with naturals.
His ability is passively universal via affecting the way they interact with the universe and interdimensional as reality sinks can affect certain points in pocket universes in 5004, it's not listed there.
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I'm not against that
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TBH it never even crossed my mind that Reaper and Moira could be on the 8-C list before now lolI'm not against that
Cause Moira guts anyone without Bio/matter resist in under a second by like, putting her hand forward and is good at dodging on top of that
In fact, yeah, Reaper and Moira would share a spot, especially since I just remembered that what Moira did to herself is what Reaper has on crack cocaine so she should have Mid-high too. Just another thing making her unmatchable
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He doesn't have all that much "easier and darker" ways of defeating someone outside of the general damage you can do with a sword and bow. I would be more incline to say he would use his domination powers more in this situation given his mindset currently, he's slowly becoming more and more like a Ringwraith, and Ringwraiths in the series use more of their mystic powers rather than actually sword fighting their opponents. Usually only doing so when their domination doesn't work.
Talion has good resistances against Mind Manipulation-related attacks given his constant interactions between Ringwraiths and Sauron. I guess it could be an issue depending on the layering of Glaedr's abilities or potential versatility of them.
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IIRC there is basically an anomaly-field around anomalous entites in SCP verse or something. Like, they can measure that shit. So while there can be beings that obey physics in SCP and are anomalous, things obeying physics in other verses can really not be claimed to be anomalous.
Like, you can't claim that a dude that hits you with an LSD mist to drug you is anomalous just because he has some power that way. You can do that in real life, he just is skilled in it.
Burden of proof on regular physical entity being anomalous is up to you. You can't assume that by default.
1. Not on his profile, so not a valid argument.
2. Sounds implausible, seeing how anomalies are existing in SCP without this guys presence negating them on the whole planet.
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Gotcha, so Talion>Overwatch characters (mainly Reaper)
I'll make a CRT to get Moira's regen onto her profile
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Which way does versatility matter?
Glaedr is very capable in mind combat, so he is somewhat above baseline. He scales above the main characters... would have to think what the best feat of them is. Probably fighting several people at once in mind combat or something
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Alright.
It would matter because Talion doesn't necessarily resist every type of Mind Manipulation under the sun. An example of what I exactly mean by this would be having a resistance against someone controlling your mind wouldn't grant you a resistance against someone overloading your mind with information or something else. Both abilities would be categorised as Mind Manipulation, but we don't inherently believe that resisting one can resist the other without further evidence.
Is he above baseline in the sense of having higher layers or having higher potency, but not necessarily having higher layers?
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Characters from MCU can be removed from 8-C imo. As I said previously, I only proposed them because there was an empty space and no other character was being proposed to fill that up. The most notable one among them is the Chirauri Leviathan, which just have good AP and 7-B+ Durability. If there are other characters that can beat them, then they can take their position and can they can be thrown out of the list to give space to more fitting characters.
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Ok. Well, mind manip in the verse can do various things. You can control someone's actions, you can prevent them from thinking, you can cause them pain or emotions, I think you can modify memories (not 100% sure) and you can even harm their mind (like, you can shape your mind into a metaphorical knife and stab the other mind to death).
In his verse, being able to mind battle more people is equivalent to greater strength in that.
So... well, you know how layers are only one way to measure strength of hax? Yeah, numbers here is a different valid way. But hard to compare layers and numbers.
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Verse Equalization, and there's also the hume system but sinks work a bit differently from them
I didn't imply that, the Foundation did by assessing them as being unnatural to their world and deeming it anomalous
I created the profile however, by the same logic Clef should've died to SCP-239 since she had universal interdimensional range from afar but he's still kicking ass, so it really isn't.
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I'm not entirely sure if Talion can resist all of these because it's been a while since I've played through the games. So I'll need a little bit of time to do some research on his resistances. I guess my next question would be what does Glaedr use in-character/generally start with?
Hmmm.
I would still argue that layers would supersede numbers in this situation since layers, regardless of context or verse, still denote you bypassing the resistances of someone. While numbers don't inherently mean you can bypass someone's resistances without further evidence that you can.
If people are capable of bypassing resistances through having better control/able to affect more people, maybe you can measure layers that way?
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When is it preferable to bumb a macth
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You can bump anytime you want here. Idc.
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sweet
Because I need activity here
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Characters from InFAMOUS (Kessler, Sasha and David Warner) for the free placement of 7-B. If needed, I'll explain what each character can do if someone has contentions with them having the free placement.
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Glaedr vs Gorgon - Battle for 6th Strongest 8-C (Non-Smurf)
SBA Speed Equalized Glaedr vs Gorgon Glaedr: Gorgon: Incon:
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What prompted this matchGlaedr vs Gorgon - Battle for 6th Strongest 8-C (Non-Smurf)
SBA Speed Equalized Glaedr vs Gorgon Glaedr: Gorgon: Incon:vsbattles.com
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Me wanting to change up the tier, potentially gain some new placements by characters inconning with each other or have shared placements under the "with and without speed equalized" stuff.
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Hajime Nagumo vs Kakine Teikoku - Battle for 4th Strongest 6-C (Non-Smurf)
Speed Equalized, Hajime Post-Schnee and Kakine Post-Revival key. Person who control matter: 0 vs Person who control drak matter: 0 Inco: 0
Btw, Gabriel got upgraded to 6-B so remove her name in the 6-C tier.
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Is The Devourer 6-D? if so then Kratos is off the thread entirely
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I believe everyone at Low 1-C are 6-D fmk. I could be wrong though.
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Kratos himself is only 5-D, almost any 6-D hax and he's done, there was a match a while ago with Kratos being 5-D formerly fighting Arceus and it ended in a draw.
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The Prince of Cures somewhere at 9-C? definetly not beating protagonist kun
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Bro Kratos isn't even on the list.
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Yang Qi (Sage Monarch) Vs Nasuverse (All Low 1-C nonsmurf characters)
Yang Qi (Sage Monarch) vs Nasuverse (All Low 1-C nonsmurf characters) Rules: Speed is equalized Both Low 1-c keys Bloodlusted SBA Yang Qi (Sage Monarch): 8 (@Georredannea15, @ShionAH, @Reiner, @Akagami_Shanks1, @EldemadeDityjon, @RaveeCPN, @AKUTO123, @Barbar01 ) Nasuverse (All Low 1-C...
Here it should be changed as well, Yang Qi is above Nasuverse Characters.
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Is the chinaman's infinite layers proven to be entirely accurate? I know Fate's Authority isn't as I've heard it is only around 20 layers or so, I don't know what type of concept hax they have but it's definitely not type 1, also should Xenoblade be above them as well since they're tied to him?
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Make a wild guessYang Qi (Sage Monarch) Vs Nasuverse (All Low 1-C nonsmurf characters)
Yang Qi (Sage Monarch) vs Nasuverse (All Low 1-C nonsmurf characters) Rules: Speed is equalized Both Low 1-c keys Bloodlusted SBA Yang Qi (Sage Monarch): 8 (@Georredannea15, @ShionAH, @Reiner, @Akagami_Shanks1, @EldemadeDityjon, @RaveeCPN, @AKUTO123, @Barbar01 ) Nasuverse (All Low 1-C...
Here it should be changed as well, Yang Qi is above Nasuverse Characters.
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The Devourer gets digital
The Devourer after being destroyed by the players he sends his Data to the "player's" Higher Dimension. In a vacuum this would only be dimensional manipulation but the Devourer not only just sends this data into the "player's" world but hides in the cosmic background radiation of the their...
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Proves my statement
I've heard the layers come from the infinite levels of energy the verse's power system has and is only applicable to the plane of existence it is in and verse equalization, but I don't really believe. The Fate stuff for those abilities was discussed here.
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Bump ?
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Jean Grey vs Dr. Jack Gooday (X-Men Film Series vs SCP Foundation)
Jean Grey vs Dr. Jack Gooday SBA Speed Equalized Pheonix Jean Gray is Used Matchup for the top 10 in 10-B non-smurf Jean Grey: Dr. Jack Gooday: @Setsuna_tenma Ukelele:
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