Too small FTL speed gaps

[Mandfireguy21]

Hello, people. I am relatively newbie here (only like 1 month accessing this wiki), however, I think I could contribute with an... observation.

FTL speeds, you see.

>10 000x SoL is already MFTL+ here.

I noticed this leaves a HUGE gap between MFTL+ characters. For example, Kirby's Warping Star is MFTL+. Reaches distant stars in seconds, pretty d*mn fast.

But then, hey, there's Seiya, from Saint Seiya. That guy reacts to some stuff that travel at dozens of quadrillions of times the speed of light. He's on the same class, but he BRUTALLY BLITZES Kirby.

And HEY, then we have those guys from Futurama, who travel hubble lengths in a second, and those are the trash tier guys from Earth. They blitz and overkill Seiya while LOLing.

So... May I propose a change? You guys can make suggestions in this small chart, but for starters it would be like this.

FTL = 1~1000x SoL

FTL+ = 1000*c ~ 1 parsec/s

High FTL = 1 ps/s ~ 10 000 000 ps/s

High FTL+ = 10 000 000 ps/s ~ 1 000 hubble length per sec

Massively FTL = 1 000 hlps ~ 1 milimetre per planck time.

MFTL+ = >1mm/pt

And maybe even add some extra classification like "hyperluminal" just for the sake of more classes or a little shorter gaps but larger covering, or else we're gonna meet that kind of same class blitzing just too many times, too brutally.

For a small reference, some conversions I did:

1ps/s=103 million times speed of light

1hl/s=4.354973 quadrillion times the speed of light

1mm/pt=61 thousand septillion times SoL

(hl is abbreviation to hubble length, pt to planck time. Not necessarily official. This is mostly a draft.)

So... What do you people think? I think this can help us quite a lot. With this fix, Kirby would be like FTL+ or High FTL, Seiya would be High FTL+ and people from Futurama would have High FTL+ or low-end MFTL ships, making the speed classes more... Determining.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

We have already thought about speed revision after summer, currently we have lots of other projects in hand so we have to keep speed scaling as it is

 

[Promestein]

This would be a massive undertaking regardless of validity.

Also, jeez, that Massively FTL ranking seems really, really high, almost ridiculously so?

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I've actually brought this up to Lord Kavpeny in private about this matter.

Unfortunately, this may not be taken up in notice until late this year if not somewhere next year/

 

[Mandfireguy21]

This would be a massive undertaking regardless of validity.

Also, jeez, that Massively FTL ranking seems really, really high, almost ridiculously so?

What do you mean with undertaking?

And... Man, otherwise we'd STILL have problems with blitzers. And you see, there are people like Meta Knight and his ship Halbert who can still get close to the top of MFTL class, so... It may SEEM high, but it really isn't. Fiction goes this far.

 

[Promestein]

There are a lot of faster than light profiles and it would take forever to determine the proper tier and revise each and every page. We don't have enough staff for that.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

We have already thought about speed revision after summer, currently we have lots of other projects in hand so we have to keep speed scaling as it is

Hmm... What kinda other projects? Well, if anything, allow us to debate this chart so the project can be... Prepared for insertion, as soon as you have time for so. Why not, after all? Can't do any bad. XD

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Promestein, I thought on your request and reduced the top of MFTL by a thousand times, and raised its bottom by ten. This will make it harder to reach, but won't let MFTL+ be unreachable.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Hmm... What kinda other projects? Well, if anything, allow us to debate this chart so the project can be... Prepared for insertion, as soon as you have time for so. Why not, after all? Can't do any bad. XD

Revision of Tier 5 and 6 and some others. I don't remember too well, sorry

 

[Claytonrosno]

what about dbz speed I would say high ftl to ftl +

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Revision of Tier 5 and 6 and some others. I don't remember too well, sorry

No problem. :3 Is this staff only? I'd love to help. XD ...which is funny, since I don't have that much free time to spare, but... That's a good thing to spend it with.

Sure. No problem. If this appears somewhere in the forums and normal members are allowed to reply, I'll try to be there and help you guys.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

@Mandfire: It's mainly staff only as Lord Kavpeny does not trust various people editing since someone could change something while they are doing said action.

So yes, it's staff only basically AFAIK.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

what about dbz speed I would say high ftl to ftl +

Hmm... At Dragon Ball Z?

Huh, maybe. At Saiyan Saga, it takes one year from another planet with sentient life, to Earth. Given what our telescopes detect, that's at least FTL+, probably High FTL. I however think the characters themselves are still at relativistic levels.

By the end of DBZ, I'd say the characters are like FTL+, though I won't risk saying they're High FTL. But maybe at Dragon Ball Super we do have a High FTL Super Saiyan Blue Goku? Or Super Saiyan Blue 3 Vegito if we need (or even get) so much.

 

[Antvasima]

There are a lot of faster than light profiles and it would take forever to determine the proper tier and revise each and every page. We don't have enough staff for that.

Exactly.

Also, we have the MFTL+ speed tier for convienience, as any character that can fly swiftly throughout the universe qualifies, and we usually do not have exact numbers.

If there exist calculations for exact numbers, these can be mentioned within a parenthesis.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Exactly.

Also, we have the MFTL+ speed tier for convienience, as any character that can fly swiftly throughout the universe qualifies, and we usually do not have exact numbers.

If there exist calculations for exact numbers, these can be mentioned within a parenthesis.

Hmm... I see. That's sad.

Well, I think the chart I made there doesn't make it too hard: If someone can travel to other planets in the solar system in seconds, they're FTL until higher feats are presented. If they can travel to another (inside our galaxy) solar system in a small time, they're FTL+ until higher feats or evidence for outlier are presented. If they can go to another galaxy in days or less, they're High FTL. If they can travel through the observable universe in minutes or seconds, they're High FTL+. Characters who can travel swiftly through universes would be "At least MFTL".

 

[Mandfireguy21]

(I'm using the distance from us to Alpha Centauri, from us to Andromeda and the size of the observable universe as values for a quick mental estimative.)

 

[Antvasima]

We do not have the time and energy for a massive wiki-wide revision that is extremely hard to apply for very little benefit, so we are not going to do this.

This topic also keeps popping up every few months, so maybe we should forbid it?

 

[Mandfireguy21]

Or maybe you could just postpone it for after you have all smaller stuff done? ._.

Like... Sincerely, this looks considerably useful. Once we have so many High MFTL and MFTL+ characters, this would make battles be decided relatively faster.

I can understand you don't want to make a massive edit just to solve some threads quicker when there are other stuff to solve, but this seems... Important enough to deserve more love than a block.

 

[Antvasima]

No. It is too hard to determine exact rankings for such high levels without calculations, and those are not available for most characters. Given this, a revision would be extremely hard to manage for the staff, as we would not be well informed enough to accurately change the speed tiers. Thus, I think that things should stay the way that they are.

 

[Mandfireguy21]

No. It is too hard to determine exact rankings for such high levels without calculations, and those are not available for most characters. Given this, a revision would be extremely hard to manage for the staff, as we would not be well informed enough to accurately change the speed tiers. Thus, I think that things should stay the way that they are.

Are you sure? :c I think we could use some rules of thumb to make some "At Least" and "Likely" estimatives. Hmm...

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. I am sure. Sorry, but this type of change would likely be a disaster for our work. I will close this topic now. Please do not bring up this issue again,