Tokyo Revenger revision (1)

[Vzearr]

One of the many verses I plan to revise in accordance to my challenge. This is one of them, lets get straight into the debunks. But before that, heres some promo, come along and get your verse fixed!​

Thread 'Vzearr's Challenge'

Sunday at 09:08

Welcome to the vzearr verse gauntlet​

Premise: Give me a verse, and I'll upgrade or downgrade it whilst also fixing the inverse scaling, etc. I have a lot of free time these coming weeks so yeah, I'll get to read and watch a bunch of anime and powerscale them.

1. How far can Vzearr get before a verse is unupgradable?
2. How far can Vzearr get before a verse is undebunkable?
3. How far can Vzearr get before a thread is debunked?

I plan to make every verse I work on perfect, so it may take a while.

I'm allowed to deny verses if they're too popular/require massive...

• Vzearr
• Replies: 161
• Forum: Fun and Games

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Base Mikey dents the grill of a car​

First of all, every car grill is hollow, so this is a highball, second of all, the pixel scaling doesn't work due to the angle, you'd need a straight body shot to get accurate numbers, the same applies to the other image, you need to use something as close to the dent as possible.​

Takemichi tanks an explosion​

Formula is wrong, it should be (0.00016003095) / (4π((0.51499999997)^2) = 200.896015 Kj * 0.68 = 136 Kj.​

Base Mikey dents the hood of a car​

Thread 'Indentation Calcs'

Oct 23, 2023

I've recently had some indentation calcs pointed out to me by Vapourrr. Many of these calcs had other issues, but even if those were fixed, it would still give unrealistically high results.

General Issues​

Here is a video of a real life human causing a dent in a car.

I'm going to lowball some figures for simplicity; this is fine since despite underestimating the value, I end up with a result well above what we accept humans to be able to dish out with a single strike.

Lets say that the dent was a circle with a radius of ten centimeters (despite it visually being much larger)...

• Agnaa
• calculations
• Replies: 114
• Forum: Calc Group Discussion

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D.I. Mikey Speed Blitzes 8 People​

One of the characters is vomiting in reaction to being hit, this is not a speed blitz.​

Base Mikey kicks Taiju​

We don't use 0.0291s for perception blitz timeframes, seen here.​

"Ogre" Angry blitzes Ran​

Read above.​

D.I. Mikey blitzes Hanma​

Same stuff as above.​

Kisaki saves Mikey​

The pixel scaling here doesn't work, you're grabbing an object further from the pov then pixel scaling a line to the pov, that doesn't work.​

Taiju throws a church pew​

This is bunk, he calculates some of his numbers in feet and some of his numbers in meters, exacerbating the results.​

Base South throws Inui​

What? This calc is filled to the brim with assumptions.​

 

[Vzearr]

@Therefir @DMUA @Dark-Carioca @SunDaGamer @Dalesean027

 

[DMUA]

One of the many verses I plan to revise in accordance to my challenge.

The hell is this

Shouldn't you just revise something because information we perpetuate is incorrect, rather than some game?

 

[Vzearr]

The hell is this

Shouldn't you just revise something because information we perpetuate is incorrect, rather than some game?

Does it matter if i'm making the information we perpetuate more accurate and making it fun instead of a menial task?

 

[Second22]

 

[DMUA]

Yeah kinda, because it makes it seem like you're trying to win rather than doing something because you think it should be done. That's problematic.

One of the characters is vomiting in reaction to being hit, this is not a speed blitz.

Especially with reasoning like this thrown in. That's a physical reaction in a sense, but it's not something conscious, that's just what happens if you're hit the stomach really hard and can't handle it for one reason or another.

The pixel scaling here doesn't work, you're grabbing an object further from the pov then pixel scaling a line to the pov, that doesn't work.

It's not at such a scale that it'd consider it problematic, the "further" in question is like, what, less than a meter?

Sure the target is Tokyo Revengers and they basically made me crash out of doing calc evaluations, but you can't call fruit spoiled just because it hangs low.

 

[Vzearr]

Yeah kinda, because it makes it seem like you're trying to win rather than doing something because you think it should be done. That's problematic.

Your concern is noted. My goal is always to improve the accuracy of the information we present, I've shown this during my time on the wiki quite well, this isn't just about a game to me. However, I believe that making the process enjoyable for myself doesn’t devalue the revisions.

Especially with reasoning like this thrown in. That's a physical reaction in a sense, but it's not something conscious, that's just what happens if you're hit the stomach really hard and can't handle it for one reason or another.

You're still reacting.

It's not at such a scale that it'd consider it problematic, the "further" in question is like, what, less than a meter?

What?

 

[Dinozxd]

Following.

 

[Dark-Carioca]

I'm a little confused by this xD

 

[Dinozxd]

I agree with DMUA's argument about the "DI Mikey blitzes 8 people" calc. The reaction in question has to be conscious as the timeframe used for it is for conscious reactions too.

"Kisaki saves Mikey" and "Takemichi tanks an explosion" calcs can be fixed with simple changes. I agree with removing the rest as they either use outdated methods or are simply bad calcs.

 

[Vzearr]

I'm a little confused by this xD

Whats there to be confused about?

 

[DMUA]

You're still reacting.

Are you, the person I'm talking to, able to be rated as Supersonic for reacting to getting shot with a 9mm round to the stomach? The answer is no, the effects of receiving significant piercing force just aren't completed in the span of milliseconds. It's the same case with getting gutchecked, the fastest punch in the world is still something you can have a physical reaction such as vomiting to.

What?

My statement was very clear. With small distances from the POV the gap barely matters, not enough to just completely destroy the calc. I'm honestly not sure if the distance gleaned is even super inconsistent, it's just a weird thing to take as a feat, like everything in this verse is.

 

[Vzearr]

Are you, the person I'm talking to, able to be rated as Supersonic for reacting to getting shot with a 9mm round to the stomach? The answer is no, the effects of receiving significant piercing force just aren't completed in the span of milliseconds. It's the same case with getting gutchecked, the fastest punch in the world is still something you can have a physical reaction such as vomiting to.

You wouldn't react in that way though, your face would remain the same as your body moves, you wouldn't gag until you react.

My statement was very clear. With small distances from the POV the gap barely matters, not enough to just completely destroy the calc. I'm honestly not sure if the distance gleaned is even super inconsistent, it's just a weird thing to take as a feat, like everything in this verse is.

What do you think about the other calcs? All valid? Should I remake them?

 

[DMUA]

You wouldn't react in that way though, your face would remain the same as your body moves, you wouldn't gag until you react.

This is just patently not how reactions work. Let's read the actual page for it, shall we?

Autonomous body reactions for humans can also reach as high as 40 milliseconds, but this is oftentimes inapplicable to reaction speed and shouldn't be used.

And indeed, the ability to vomit in response to being gutchecked as one of several victims to a violence spree tells us nothing about this man's ability to react to the attack that sent him to that state.

What do you think about the other calcs? All valid? Should I remake them?

Sure, if you want.

 

[Vzearr]

This is just patently not how reactions work. Let's read the actual page for it, shall we?

And indeed, the ability to vomit in response to being gutchecked as one of several victims to a violence spree tells us nothing about this man's ability to react to the attack that sent him to that state.

That's fair then, I didn't notice that on the page.

 

[Viott]

Read above.​

D.I. Mikey blitzes Hanma​

Same stuff as above.​

I can recalculate using the perception speed of an athletic person.

 

[Vzearr]

I can recalculate using the perception speed of an athletic person.

Sure.

 

[Viott]

Sure.

I fixed it.

 

[Vzearr]

Tokyo revenger feats

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Vzearr]

Dalesean accepted the calculations, I'll now ask staff to check if they are fine to apply.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Regarding Mikey blitzing eight people.

A bodily reaction is still some level of indication that there is a passage of time, but DMUA is right that it isn't the same as reacting to the initial attack- it is an involuntary reaction, and one that comes after being struck. Most striking about the feat is that the guy closest to our POV has ostensibly been hit off his feet, and hasn't had time to land yet. The time used in the old calc is bad, that shouldn't be used- they're using the reaction of one guy to apply to eight dudes. People are definitely reacting to Mikey as he does this- their heads are turned towards him- so it's a bunk calc. A recalc could be made, it is a legitimate speed feat.

So, my opinion would agree with the notion that the old calc is wrong, and in the void of a recalc I would agree with discarding it outright- but I'd prefer a recalc with some better conjured measurement of time, if something could be made, and that calc may disagree with the thread's conclusion.

 

[Vzearr]

Regarding Mikey blitzing eight people.

A bodily reaction is still some level of indication that there is a passage of time, but DMUA is right that it isn't the same as reacting to the initial attack- it is an involuntary reaction, and one that comes after being struck. Most striking about the feat is that the guy closest to our POV has ostensibly been hit off his feet, and hasn't had time to land yet. The time used in the old calc is bad, that shouldn't be used- they're using the reaction of one guy to apply to eight dudes. People are definitely reacting to Mikey as he does this- their heads are turned towards him- so it's a bunk calc. A recalc could be made, it is a legitimate speed feat.

So, my opinion would agree with the notion that the old calc is wrong, and in the void of a recalc I would agree with discarding it outright- but I'd prefer a recalc with some better conjured measurement of time, if something could be made, and that calc may disagree with the thread's conclusion.

What do you think about the other calcs and replacing them on the page?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

betrayal, you asked me to speak on this one calc

I'll need to go through them when I have some time, I suppose. No solid thoughts at this time.

 

[GyroNutz]

Base South throws Inui​

What? This calc is filled to the brim with assumptions.​

I agree. Assumptions are fine if founded but the 2x speed of the motorcycle and the 2x because he was thrown with one arm both seem wrong.

The completed calculations in your blog seem fine + are accepted.

 

[Vzearr]

I believe Dale, and gyronutz are enough for this thread to go by. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I believe Dale, and gyronutz are enough for this thread to go by. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong. Dale hasn't commented here, nor does he have CRT evaluation ability. On a calc basis, DMUA's opposition is notable.

I'll get to it, if someone else doesn't.

 

[Second22]

This is the most normal TR thread I’ve ever seen.