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Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

I don’t agree with her having an Esper power to begin with. Being formed by AIM doesn’t grant her a personal reality.
Removing limited from law manip would be good though.
There’s also her NPI, electricity manip, type 8 immortality, danmaku, and semi-omnipresence
 
I will bring back my good old list. Tell me what has been done and what is pending or any kind of feedback.

Old threads:

Random Toaru ability (Aureolus aditions)
Crowley's Nondualism.
[Toaru] Othinus tiering revisions
[Toaru] On Alice surviving Gungnir's destruction
Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision (Resistance to Phase Manipulation)
[Toaru character addition to a profile] Adding the Will to the Sisters page
[Toaru] Additions for Mina Mathers
Gabriel Acausality (Toaru)
[ Toaru ] Gabriel MFTL or MFTL+ attack speed with God's Purge/Sweep
[Toaru] Additions surrounding Information Analysis and Resistance to it
[Toaru] Morality Manipulation for Othinus
Toaru Aleister CRT (Done, just 2 small changes left, AP and LS without magic)

New threads:

Kazakiri abilities adition and removal of esper power
Kanzaki supernatural luck.
Kiharas intelligence.
Kakine hive mind, maybe already aproved?
Aureolus should have Explosion Manipulation.

I think MGs should have dimensional manipulation and Causality manipulation (Causality is already there but not in abilities for some reason).
 
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Idk I'm not focusing on any of the old threads
[Toaru] Archetype Manipulation for Coronzon
Coronzon having Archetype Controller got accepted in my omnibus crt with a possibly conditional, but I forgot that Aleister's CM didn't have a type attached to it, (assuming it even still qualifies as CM) so I couldn't add it to Coronzon's profile and had just put it in her techniques section instead.
 

Current things in sandbox
Everything else is just added and refined justifications for stats or scaling. F.E, Kihara Kagun is the strongest Kihara in his time, making him superior to Kihara Yuiitsu and Kihara Enshuu; Tsurigane Saryou can keep up with Kuroko Shirai, and the latter sees her as having extraordinary physical abilities, but the former been stated by WoG to be to a not even second-rate ninja and she has even remarked that Oumi Shuri has specs that are "high as hell", whom was one-shotted by Seria's sister; etc etc, you get the idea.

... Also. Once I get the time (and motivation), I'mma make a section for Komaba to separate his Base stats from his Hard Taping stats to two separate keys for scaling purposes.

... Anyways. Comments? Suggestions? Currently at a stand-still with this sandbox, so I can't continue my CRT until it is resolved. Tbh, I essentially don't care about Tier upgrades or whatever, I just wanna make the scaling and justifications nice and proper.
 
Making Mikoto's Railgun upscale her lightning by virtue of her numerous statements saying her Railgun is a "cruel attack produced unequaled destruction" and explicitly stating her Railgun is supposed to be her trump card.
Lightning has special considersations for scaling since it causes disproportionately small damage for the energy it has.
The statements compare Destructive Capacity, not direct energy output. Comparing two different types of energy (kinetic vs electric) based on DC they have doesn't work great.
Like, the argument is basically that the Railgun can do more damage against enough environment for it to have lightning level durability, but as the Lightning Feats page says, the environment not getting destroyed by the lightning strike doesn't really work for its durability.
 
Lightning has special considersations for scaling since it causes disproportionately small damage for the energy it has.
The statements compare Destructive Capacity, not direct energy output. Comparing two different types of energy (kinetic vs electric) based on DC they have doesn't work great.
Like, the argument is basically that the Railgun can do more damage against enough environment for it to have lightning level durability, but as the Lightning Feats page says, the environment not getting destroyed by the lightning strike doesn't really work for its durability.
Yay, input~ Tbch, the topic regarding Misaka's Railgun AP was just a draw to get some attention and not entirely smth serious.

Now, I await for further comments.
 
Also.


Check this out. It really needs a mod versed in Toaru, lel.

Welp, I'mma go back to Peak of Runia and decide if it is worth it to whale for W-alter in Arknights.
 
Pre-Headshot - Varies (Will scale depending on the opponent's own durability, via reflecting and multiplying the rebounding/reactionary forces encountered upon contact); up to Mountain level with Vector Control (Stronger than his Post-Headshot key as he was unsure if the Sisters had even recovered half of his full power)
This is a wrong way to index it imo. It sounds dumb for me to suggest since we removed it from his dura, but the cap to his Varies while avoiding NLF would be High 1-C since he can turn an opponent's High 1-C attack against them and in general sends things back at an amplified level.
An even greater attack shot back up from below as if to rebel against heaven. The #1 had
taken the satellite weapon head-on and then sent it right back with double the power.
-NT21
The justification would be slightly reworded to "Will scale depending on the vectors he comes into contact with yada yada"

If he encountered something that is island level, your cap would mean he couldn't utilize that power if he came into contact with it. It even contradicts the multicontinental earth-siphoning feat.
I've been meaning to make an Accelerator thread too, maybe I'll add it. The other stuff are:
  • Removing the following stamina justification: "(This time limit does not apply to his other angelic forms)"
    This is fanon. The time limit does apply. His wings explicitly do not return his vector ability.
  • Removing the following macro quantum justification: "Rearranged Last Order's electrons in her brain". He instead manipulated her brain signals which is moreso a bioelectricity feat and not macro quantum.
  • Removing the Resistance to Extreme Temperatures: He's not resisting it; his vector reflection just prevents him from interacting with the extreme heat to begin with.
    If he actually had a resistance, he wouldn't need the ability to protect him.
  • Adding a speed justification: Could match Nephthys
  • Adding his reliance on the Misaka Network
I don't know where the exceeding supercomputers statement comes from but I don't want to give up on that yet lol. Maybe it's from OT5 and his feat with the Testament?
 
Removing the following macro quantum justification: "Rearranged Last Order's electrons in her brain". He instead manipulated her brain signals which is moreso a bioelectricity feat and not macro quantum.
He does manipulate the brain signals in electron scale.
August 31, 8:12:51 PM.
There were less than four meters between them. He couldn’t miss at this range if he tried.
“Kuh…!?”
Accelerator was using all of his strength to control Last Order’s brain signals, so he couldn’t divide it to reflect anything. If he did, he’d introduce an error in the precise electrical signals on the scale of an electron microscope. That would mean frying Last Order’s brain to a crisp.
Only 7,001 lines of code remained.
Only nine warning windows were left.
His work wasn’t over. Time slowed to a crawl.
Amai probably had no idea what Accelerator was doing, but from his point of view, just the thought of him touching Last Order, whom he absolutely couldn’t let die, was probably close to driving him insane.
 
I saw a distinction between manipulating a general flow of things vs manipulating the spin of each electron specifically, similar to affecting the flow of wind rather than the properties of each individual molecule found in the air, and didn’t expect the wiki to add macro quantum to every electricity user and molecular matter manip to every air bender but you do have a point.

I'll think it over more; not like I was going to post it anytime soon.
 
I saw a distinction between manipulating a general flow of things vs manipulating the spin of each electron specifically, similar to affecting the flow of wind rather than the properties of each individual molecule found in the air, and didn’t expect the wiki to add macro quantum to every electricity user and molecular matter manip to every air bender but you do have a point.

I'll think it over more; not like I was going to post it anytime soon.
The quote says he is doing it in the scale of an electron microscope, what you're saying here ignores that.

Not like the "flow" of electricity inside of a brain is even a large scale that be seen with the naked eye, which is when what you're saying would apply, + what you're saying doesn't always apply (or make any difference, most of the time).
 
I saw a distinction between manipulating a general flow of things vs manipulating the spin of each electron specifically, similar to affecting the flow of wind rather than the properties of each individual molecule found in the air, and didn’t expect the wiki to add macro quantum to every electricity user and molecular matter manip to every air bender but you do have a point.

I'll think it over more; not like I was going to post it anytime soon.
Honestly, what should be removed is that feat as a justification for macro-quantum matter manipulation (Old translation), when it should be under macro-quantum bioelectrcity manipulation.
 


I just noticed these profiles was made. Nice... I give compliments to the chief that cooked 'em.
 
Honestly, what should be removed is that feat as a justification for macro-quantum matter manipulation (Old translation), when it should be under macro-quantum bioelectrcity manipulation.
Why? Accelerator's powers aren't limited to specific targets, if he can use vector control in X scale then he can do it to similar sized targets, it doesn't make sense to limit it to a super specific thing such as bioelectricity.

Either it's macro-quantum and his powers can be applied in such a scale or it isn't macro-quantum and we remove it altogether.
 
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