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Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1


Made the changes.

Now, Yuiitsu has three keys.
Key: Pre-Salome Arc | Salome Arc | Element Arc
As an example on how this affects her justifications
Attack Potency: Small Building level (Can harm the Tokiwadai Dorm Supervisor[Statistics Values 1]), can ignore conventional durability with Amata's Technique (Can form deadly bubbles inside blood vessels by propagating shockwaves throughout the body, which causes normal people to quickly fall over dead[4][5]) | Small Building level (Had beaten back Base Salome with ease, and then fended off Kamijou Touma for thirty seconds as he stalled for time[4][5]), higher with Sample Shoggoth and Magic (Severed Kamisato Kakeru's right hand with one swing . Turned Salome into pieces of scrap after she had empowered herself by sacrificing the weapons of the Kamisato Faction[13]), can ignore conventional durability with Amata's Technique | Small Building level, higher with Sample Shoggoth and Magic, far higher with Class 1 to 5 Elements, Building level with Class 6 Elements, far higher with Anti-Art-Attachment
Gotta gather more scans and write up the proper justifications, but you peps get the idea.
 
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Ik, right!? They are amazing.

Ye, it's on my to-do list. Ain't important rn, tho, so it's at the bottom. What's more important is figuring out the scaling for her A.A.A. Like that thing seemingly doesn't anything from the doggo's A.A.A. or Misaka's nor any statements of it's power 'sides being superior to Touma & Kamisato faction. So at a lost, atm.
 
Ik, right!? They are amazing.

Ye, it's on my to-do list. Ain't important rn, tho, so it's at the bottom. What's more important is figuring out the scaling for her A.A.A. Like that thing seemingly doesn't anything from the doggo's A.A.A. or Misaka's nor any statements of it's power 'sides being superior to Touma & Kamisato faction. So at a lost, atm.
Idk either and given the fight, her AAA doesn't seem to be tiers above them (IIRC Salome blocked her chainsaw).
 
Idk either and given the fight, her AAA doesn't seem to be tiers above them (IIRC Salome blocked her chainsaw).
Nah, Touma blocked it with IB and same-old, same old happened, lol. The chainsaw was well-established as smth that would frick Kamisato faction and Touma if it had hit them.

We could maybe just scale it to Class 6 elements since Kihara's A.A.A. is composed of 'em (+ lower class Elements). Idk. That's all I got.


Anyways.
Mental Out FIVE_Over OS technology;

UL Exploder;

Modified Stun Gun-like Device;

Sample Shoggoth;

Attenuated St. Germain Virus;

World Rejecter


I'mma done with the P&A section of NT15!Yuiitsu. Now, all I need is to write down the Elements' P&A stuff (since she created 'em and controlled them throughout NT16) and Yuiitsu's P&A section is complete, yay.
 
Nah, Touma blocked it with IB and same-old, same old happened, lol. The chainsaw was well-established as smth that would frick Kamisato faction and Touma if it had hit them.
Well, that's better but still doesn't give us a tier, sadly, best we can do is upscale her Chainsaw to 9A if the base value is close enough to it.


We could maybe just scale it to Class 6 elements since Kihara's A.A.A. is composed of 'em (+ lower class Elements). Idk. That's all I got.
I think we can't do that, aren't the Class 6's tier based on their size? We can't really scale that around to something that doesn't have their full size/mass
 
ain't going to be hard thanks to the Mental Out manga feats for the Dorm Manager and Yuiitsu, tho.

Ye. Anyways, we could maybe scale it's durability to Misaka's A.A.A's durability from it being relatively fine after being struck by a Class 6. Again, this is a maybe.

Offscreen, sadly, but we do know that she did make em thanks to the Kamisato faction and that less than a day has passed from NT15 to NT16 (And NT15 was even less than a day after NT14 since NT13 was literally just Touma's morning/afternoon).
 
Progress report.

Intelligence: Genius (As both an Academy City researcher and a member of the Kihara family, Yuiitsu possesses a considerable amount of knowledge and intellect, having a degree of forensic and investigative capabilities, a talent for creating technology as seen with her UL Exploder or her stun gun-like device and the capability of making careful plans for hypothetical scenarios required for the position of Academy City's Hypothetical Disaster Planning Calculations Director.[9][22][8][23] Even while under heavy mental stress this remained as she was capable of accurately analyzing the injured Kihara Noukan, calculate all the problem points and compare them to her available options to try and find a way to heal him and managed to put him in cryogenic sleep upon realizing she lacked the ability to save him. After her failure, she developed a way to tame Sample Shoggoth and attenuated the St. Germain virus, thus gaining access to magic, all for a plan to get revenge on Kamisato Kakeru and steal his World Rejecter.[24] As a fighter, she is among the ranks of the most skilled human martial artist seen so-far. She was capable of identifying the martial art of the Tokiwadai Dorm Supervisor with a glance.[18] She's capable of fending off other skilled fighters like Shirai Kuroko, Salome and Kamijou Touma with ease.[25][5][20] She can make use of her lab coat to slightly divert the path of attacks from superior opponents to avoid direct hits.[4][20] She's even capable of analyzing techniques and incorporate them into her martial arts as shown when she copied one of Amata's martial arts techniques, which makes the impacts of her blows cause air bubbles to form in her opponent’s blood vessels, causing embolisms, myocardial ischemia and cerebral infraction, eventually causing their death[5][4][6][7][18][19])
Intelligence section is 98% done; I just need to plop a few more references in the bottom portion and it'll be a 100% done.

Edit: Correction. It's 100% done now, lel.

Overall, the profile revamp sandbox is 80% done. Only things left are the ratings justification, weakness section rewrite and me to add scans and references to this section in Yuiitsu's notable abilities and techniques.
  • Elements:Using a combination of her magical and scientific knowledge, Yuiitsu created these artificial, reduced life forms, which she unleashed on Academy City to draw out the Kamisato Faction. A hybrid of science and magic, the bodies are created in the shape of animals and plants, a reverse of the process which converts the remains of animals and plants into petroleum over long periods of time. As this method can create an outward form but can't give it a soul or life, a magic-based core is used to animate the body. The Elements are capable of using mimicry to blend in with their surroundings, and can use elemental attacks corresponding to their core. Elements are classified by their sizes, with each new class larger than the preceding one.
    • Class 0: The smallest Elements, smaller than a grain of rice and taking the form of winged insects. These Elements were used by Yuiitsu to get information on the outside world while hiding underground. Class 0s transmit information using ultrasonic waves.
    • Class 1: 3 meters Elements. The smallest "combat" Elements, these Elements are still dangerous enough to easily kill normal humans. Shown species: Flower Mantis, Ant-mimicking Spider, Octopus, Longhorn Beetle, Bark Mantis, Spider, Octopus, Stick-bug.
    • Class 2: 6 meters Elements. Shown species: Hishigani Crab, Maneki-Gumo.
    • Class 3: 12 meters Elements. Shown species: Octopus.
    • Class 4: 24 meters Elements, didn't appear in the story but were mentioned to exist by Touma.
    • Class 5: Didn't appear in the story, but are assumed to exist by Touma to fill the gap between Class 4 and Class 6. Size is unknown.
    • Class 6: 100 meters Elements, the largest class. Due to their sheer size, Class 6s are capable of casually destroying the buildings of Academy City. Shown species: Lizard, Crocodile, Emperor Scorpion, Leaf Mantis, Eupithecia, Clearwing Moth.
  • Yuiitsu's Custom A.A.A.: Yuiitsu can make her own custom A.A.A. by sacrificing her Elements, though this A.A.A. takes a different route than the one used by Noukan as it was built without support from Aleister Crowley and thus likely lacks the same mysterious powers. This A.A.A. has cannons, laser cannons, missile containers, gatling guns, and a large anti-special steel chainsaw blade and inherits the same camouflage ability used by Elements, allowing Yuiitsu to blend into the background and disappear, almost becoming invisible.
 
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The sandbox for Kihara Yuiitsu's profile revision is now... 100% complete.

And now... I'mma put this in ice and won't be making a CRT regarding this sandbox's context for awhile cuz of smth very simple...

Kamisato Kakeru. The Elements. Salome.

They all have scaling that are somewhat involved with Yuiitsu and/or the Elements, are all important to each in their "story arc" prior to the Aleister' stuff and their profiles aren't doing great. Thus, I wanna include them in my Toaru profile revamp CRT. The first two are, by the virtue of Yuiitsu's revamp, are 60% done thanks to her having their powers, lol. Salome is only one that I have to work up from zero but she is minor character with a simple powerset, overall, so it won't take too long.

Ye, and that's that. Lol.
 
I think we should rename Coronzon's and, mainly, CRC's profile's names to avoid spoilers and place a general warning for spoilers on both profiles.

Like, Coronzon I get why choosing and leaving it as that instead of Lola Stuart, but naming CRC's profile as Johann has no purpose as most still call him as CRC.
 
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These debates about higher tiers are getting really tiring, don't y'all want to give more hax to the characters instead?

For a long time now I've been thinking of a physiology page for characters that are known as Higher Lifeforms in Toaru, so far I think it includes all Abyss Crossers, Angels, Aiwass (not sure if he is an Abyss Crosser as well, but he was stated to be a Higher Being) and possibly other Phasic Beings (the ones Marian summoned were fakes so they probably wouldn't get it, but it should be possible once we get a real version of them)

A recent thread on Spacebattles made me rethink about how we treat stuff like Precedence in the wiki, if anyone here remembers my thread trying to give acausality to Gabriel not only it would be brought up again and added to all these other characters, I think it all when put together gives a lot more credibility but obviously, it's a mess based on interpretation from multiple different volumes, but I hate to see other verses getting this kind of stuff while Toaru is in a limbo.

Would anyone be interested in helping gather scans or more ideas? Especially japanese ones which may be useful here and there, also, as always, I hate updating profiles so someone to do the practical work would also be good.

Side note that I don't plan any AP changes from this.
 
Hopefully we have better luck seeing things through this time. A number of threads attempting to add hax for Toaru characters have died off either due to staff fiat or participants just straight up losing interest.

That being said, I think there does seem to be more substance to this recent thread.
 
Hopefully we have better luck seeing things through this time. A number of threads attempting to add hax for Toaru characters have died off either due to staff fiat or participants just straight up losing interest.

That being said, I think there does seem to be more substance to this recent thread.
True, although, I wanna admit that it is just somewhat annoying that some peps are just focusing on upgrading the tiers of the god tier peps when a bunch of other profiles from the lower tiers needs to be revamped to a better state.

Also.

Salome. Kakeru. A good chunk of their revamps are done now. Now, while I still need to get rid of a few more copy & paste stuff and add more scans & references to their abilities; I can confidently say that their justifications for their stats are a-okay now!

Next up, after I clean up the aforementioned issues above, is the minor Kamisato faction girls & the Elements!

Afterwards, when I am done with 'em, I'll do a CRT for the cast of the Kamisato arc to update their profiles (sans Touma) and then move onto the NT4 cast!
 
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Would anyone be interested in helping gather scans or more ideas? Especially japanese ones which may be useful here and there, also, as always, I hate updating profiles so someone to do the practical work would also be good.
I have some raw volumes but I can't read it sadly
 
These debates about higher tiers are getting really tiring, don't y'all want to give more hax to the characters instead?

For a long time now I've been thinking of a physiology page for characters that are known as Higher Lifeforms in Toaru, so far I think it includes all Abyss Crossers, Angels, Aiwass (not sure if he is an Abyss Crosser as well, but he was stated to be a Higher Being) and possibly other Phasic Beings (the ones Marian summoned were fakes so they probably wouldn't get it, but it should be possible once we get a real version of them)

A recent thread on Spacebattles made me rethink about how we treat stuff like Precedence in the wiki, if anyone here remembers my thread trying to give acausality to Gabriel not only it would be brought up again and added to all these other characters, I think it all when put together gives a lot more credibility but obviously, it's a mess based on interpretation from multiple different volumes, but I hate to see other verses getting this kind of stuff while Toaru is in a limbo.

Would anyone be interested in helping gather scans or more ideas? Especially japanese ones which may be useful here and there, also, as always, I hate updating profiles so someone to do the practical work would also be good.

Side note that I don't plan any AP changes from this.

I can help, but first we need to correct all the misinterpreted facts that have spread due to incorrect translations.
This process will be very tedious and cumbersome.
As I've pointed out several times before, the most notable examples are the mention of Kamisato Kakeru's parallel universe and the interpretation of the afterword in GT6
 
I can help, but first we need to correct all the misinterpreted facts that have spread due to incorrect translations.
This process will be very tedious and cumbersome.
As I've pointed out several times before, the most notable examples are the mention of Kamisato Kakeru's parallel universe and the interpretation of the afterword in GT6
Oh. Give the details! ... and raw scans. Cuz this sounds relevant for my Kakeru rework.
 
I can help, but first we need to correct all the misinterpreted facts that have spread due to incorrect translations.
This process will be very tedious and cumbersome.
As I've pointed out several times before, the most notable examples are the mention of Kamisato Kakeru's parallel universe and the interpretation of the afterword in GT6
Could you remind me what's wrong in these two statements? Also, beyond these what else do you think is being based on wrong translations?
 
Could you remind me what's wrong in these two statements? Also, beyond these what else do you think is being based on wrong translations?

Could you remind me what's wrong in these two statements? Also, beyond these what else do you think is being based on wrong translations?
1. There is no concept of parallel worlds in Toaru.

2. If transcendent beings break free from the human realm, they can withstand Gungnir. This is one of the most representative mistakes caused by a mistranslation.

Would you like a more detailed explanation?
 
Could you remind me what's wrong in these two statements? Also, beyond these what else do you think is being based on wrong translations?

3. “Mythical beings that belong to the phases are stronger than MGs. This was directly refuted by Kamachi himself when he compared the hierarchies of angels and Magic gods, yet I still come across people making this claim.”

4. In NT Volume 10, there’s a claim that Marianne summoning Vishnu is MagicGod-level.

5. Then, in NT Volume 13, the statement ‘the path to heaven is not open to MagicGods’ is sometimes taken to mean that MagicGods are below heaven. All of these are incorrect interpretations.

If you decide to start a thread to set the record straight on all of this, I’ll be more than willing to lend my active support.
 
Yes, for sure.

Alright, shall we start by clearing up the reference to parallel worlds from the very beginning?

“You can’t. You can’t possibly. Parallel worlds don’t-…” “Yes, the world is ultimately a straight line like the rubber string nailed onto pachinko machines. There is no infinite expanse of parallel worlds.”

This is the widely circulated js06 translation. Whether it’s due to differences between Japanese and English, if we read it as is, it comes across as:

Nephthys: “Parallel worlds don’t exist?” Kamisato: “Yeah.”

However, if we look at the original Japanese:



Nephthys: “I can’t believe it. The parallel world is…” Kamisato: “Yeah, they don’t exist infinitely.”

In Japanese, it’s simply: “Parallel worlds… / Yeah, they’re not infinite.”

All Kamisato is doing is confirming that they’re not infinite—nothing more. It seems js06 phrased it that way to make it more natural for English readers, but it ends up changing the original meaning entirely.
 
Alright, shall we start by clearing up the reference to parallel worlds from the very beginning?

“You can’t. You can’t possibly. Parallel worlds don’t-…” “Yes, the world is ultimately a straight line like the rubber string nailed onto pachinko machines. There is no infinite expanse of parallel worlds.”

This is the widely circulated js06 translation. Whether it’s due to differences between Japanese and English, if we read it as is, it comes across as:

Nephthys: “Parallel worlds don’t exist?” Kamisato: “Yeah.”

However, if we look at the original Japanese:



Nephthys: “I can’t believe it. The parallel world is…” Kamisato: “Yeah, they don’t exist infinitely.”

In Japanese, it’s simply: “Parallel worlds… / Yeah, they’re not infinite.”

All Kamisato is doing is confirming that they’re not infinite—nothing more. It seems js06 phrased it that way to make it more natural for English readers, but it ends up changing the original meaning entirely.

Two things - I don't understand anything about japanese, why JS's translations has Niang-Niang denying the existence of them ("parallel worlds don't") while in yours she stops at parallel worlds? Is there some word/term he translated as "don't" that doesn't mean that or wasn't present in the raws? Because it's pretty strange to me to simply see a word disappearing completely on two translations, normally they get swapped for another word.

Also, would this change anything? At the end of the day, none of them say they exist (unless the next section where Kamisato says the MG were limited to a single world is also a wrong translation).
 
Two things - I don't understand anything about japanese, why JS's translations has Niang-Niang denying the existence of them ("parallel worlds don't") while in yours she stops at parallel worlds? Is there some word/term he translated as "don't" that doesn't mean that or wasn't present in the raws? Because it's pretty strange to me to simply see a word disappearing completely on two translations, normally they get swapped for another word.

Also, would this change anything? At the end of the day, none of them say they exist (unless the next section where Kamisato says the MG were limited to a single world is also a wrong translation).

At which point did Kamisato say that MGs are confined to a single universe?
Besides, that line was spoken by Nephthys, not “nyang nyang.” I really don’t get why you suddenly brought up “nyang nyang.”

The original text never once used the phrase “does not exist.”
That’s why my translation ended with “parallel worlds….”

Here’s what happens in the original Japanese text and context:

While watching Kamisato defeat Nyang nyang, Nephthys says:
“…Impossible—there’s no way it’s possible. But as for parallel worlds…”

She’s in the middle of saying this when Kamisato cuts her off and replies:

“Yeah, it’s like putting a rubber band on a nailed-down slingshot. Parallel worlds do not exist in infinite numbers.”

Saying they don’t exist in infinite numbers is completely different from saying they “do not exist” at all.
 
Alright, shall we start by clearing up the reference to parallel worlds from the very beginning?

“You can’t. You can’t possibly. Parallel worlds don’t-…” “Yes, the world is ultimately a straight line like the rubber string nailed onto pachinko machines. There is no infinite expanse of parallel worlds.”

This is the widely circulated js06 translation. Whether it’s due to differences between Japanese and English, if we read it as is, it comes across as:

Nephthys: “Parallel worlds don’t exist?” Kamisato: “Yeah.”

However, if we look at the original Japanese:



Nephthys: “I can’t believe it. The parallel world is…” Kamisato: “Yeah, they don’t exist infinitely.”

In Japanese, it’s simply: “Parallel worlds… / Yeah, they’re not infinite.”

All Kamisato is doing is confirming that they’re not infinite—nothing more. It seems js06 phrased it that way to make it more natural for English readers, but it ends up changing the original meaning entirely.

Is that pic in imgur yours or somebody else?
 
At which point did Kamisato say that MGs are confined to a single universe?
It comes slightly after that part:

You Magic Gods wished for this even though
you knew it could never come true. You checked the farthest reaches of the universe and
all of the piled-up phases and you realized there was nothing new left. But if it was possible,
you wished to leave behind this troublesome world and spread your wings in a new
world no one else knows of.”

Besides, that line was spoken by Nephthys, not “nyang nyang.” I really don’t get why you suddenly brought up “nyang nyang.”
I didn't recall Nephthys had said that, just a minor mistake.

The original text never once used the phrase “does not exist.”
That’s why my translation ended with “parallel worlds….”
Do you have the kind of her entire phrase at hand? I'd like to see it, although I get that JS06 seems to have added a word out of nowhere, it's still strange to see such a thing happen.

2. If transcendent beings break free from the human realm, they can withstand Gungnir. This is one of the most representative mistakes caused by a mistranslation.
Back to the other errors, in this one do you mean the Transcendent can't withstand Gungnir?

3. “Mythical beings that belong to the phases are stronger than MGs. This was directly refuted by Kamachi himself when he compared the hierarchies of angels and Magic gods, yet I still come across people making this claim.”

4. In NT Volume 10, there’s a claim that Marianne summoning Vishnu is MagicGod-level.

5. Then, in NT Volume 13, the statement ‘the path to heaven is not open to MagicGods’ is sometimes taken to mean that MagicGods are below heaven. All of these are incorrect interpretations.

If you decide to start a thread to set the record straight on all of this, I’ll be more than willing to lend my active support.
What about these others? 3 and 5 won't impact the scaling here in VSBW, but 4 would impact at least Marian's profile.

But I still want to see all of them in detail, if you have time, especially point 3.
 
It comes slightly after that part:

You Magic Gods wished for this even though
you knew it could never come true. You checked the farthest reaches of the universe and
all of the piled-up phases and you realized there was nothing new left. But if it was possible,
you wished to leave behind this troublesome world and spread your wings in a new
world no one else knows of.”


I didn't recall Nephthys had said that, just a minor mistake.


Do you have the kind of her entire phrase at hand? I'd like to see it, although I get that JS06 seems to have added a word out of nowhere, it's still strange to see such a thing happen.


Back to the other errors, in this one do you mean the Transcendent can't withstand Gungnir?


What about these others? 3 and 5 won't impact the scaling here in VSBW, but 4 would impact at least Marian's profile.

But I still want to see all of them in detail, if you have time, especially point 3.
What the Mgs wished for was a New World, not a parallel world. Even after investigating the ends of the universe and every overlapping plane, they still couldn’t escape the troublesome mundane world; they wanted to spread their wings in a completely unknown land.

That section is about the Magic Gods’ wish, which has nothing to do with parallel worlds. There is no mention whatsoever of being confined to a single universe.


2. Transcendents cannot withstand Gungnir—this applies even if that Transcendent is Alice.

They find it easy to destroy, but can’t start over again; that’s what bothers them. Because they hesitated to play their one and only card, they ended up getting caught in Othinus’s world collapse at some point and were presumably annihilated (and in that pitch-black space, "if" the Transcendents had killed Othinus, they wouldn’t have been able to recreate anything afterward, either).

This account simply states that the Transcendents died at Othinus’s hands, not that they could endure Othinus’s destruction of the world. The claim that “if they step beyond the human realm, they can withstand Gungnir” stems from New Testament Volume 9, which says, “You cannot escape Gungnir as long as you remain in the realm of humanity.” However, by that point, all non-human and higher-plane entities had already died instantly, so it doesn’t connect with the statements that came afterward.

Even at the time of NT9, Coronzon was unquestionably a Great Demon, and there still existed entities like Heaven’s Gabriel and other dimensional beings. Yet it was clearly stated multiple times in NT10, NT12, and so on that they were all annihilated. Unless one chooses to deny the author’s own words, that’s the conclusion.


4. The line “Certainly, this would be fitting for opposing a magic God” isn’t an exaggeration, because Othinus had, in fact, destroyed the world once before with her own hands.

That line merely praises Marian’s methods as a technique suitable for standing against a magic God.

However, if Othinus had her full power back, even so, she could twist Marian to death with a single blow.

It’s clearly stated that all of those combined techniques still wouldn’t match a fully realized magic God.

Being “suitable for opposing” is entirely different from “capable of winning” or “capable of killing.”

5. As for point #5, it’s less a mistranslation and more an interpretation issue.

“Don’t you see? The world has certain ‘paths’: humans, beasts, celestial beings, hungry ghosts… but there isn’t a single ‘path’ that allows the existence of magic Gods like us. We’re so out of the ordinary that we no longer fit into the six paths. And since we haven’t ascended by normal means, there’s no chance the gate to the Pure Land or Heaven will open for us either.”

All that’s really saying is that, because the magic Gods relied on something akin to a “cheat,” the way to the Pure Land or Heaven won’t open to them. It doesn’t imply that they’re inferior to those realms.

Later on, the magic Gods turn to Kamijou as a method they can rely on—does that make Kamijou himself akin to Heaven or the Pure Land?

Not at all. They simply needed a “vessel” that could contain them; the Heavenly Realm or the Pure Land couldn’t accommodate them, and that’s why that line appears.
 
Doubled checked in official translation request thread. Yeh, JS06's translation is wrong; it's a single line that says there aren't infinite parallel worlds just like what Piamma said earlier.
That's for Kamisato's quote, I was asking about what Nephthys said right before Kamisato starts talking.

@Piamma could you give the raw text for their entire conversation?

That section is about the Magic Gods’ wish, which has nothing to do with parallel worlds. There is no mention whatsoever of being confined to a single universe.
It straight up says they were not able to leave the world, which is what matters here, meanwhile your translation has Kamisato saying it is a straight line.

Again, not like this changes anything here in VSBW, cause the MGs are already above tier 2, but still.

What the Mgs wished for was a New World, not a parallel world. Even after investigating the ends of the universe and every overlapping plane, they still couldn’t escape the troublesome mundane world; they wanted to spread their wings in a completely unknown land.

That section is about the Magic Gods’ wish, which has nothing to do with parallel worlds. There is no mention whatsoever of being confined to a single universe.


2. Transcendents cannot withstand Gungnir—this applies even if that Transcendent is Alice.

They find it easy to destroy, but can’t start over again; that’s what bothers them. Because they hesitated to play their one and only card, they ended up getting caught in Othinus’s world collapse at some point and were presumably annihilated (and in that pitch-black space, "if" the Transcendents had killed Othinus, they wouldn’t have been able to recreate anything afterward, either).

This account simply states that the Transcendents died at Othinus’s hands, not that they could endure Othinus’s destruction of the world. The claim that “if they step beyond the human realm, they can withstand Gungnir” stems from New Testament Volume 9, which says, “You cannot escape Gungnir as long as you remain in the realm of humanity.” However, by that point, all non-human and higher-plane entities had already died instantly, so it doesn’t connect with the statements that came afterward.

Even at the time of NT9, Coronzon was unquestionably a Great Demon, and there still existed entities like Heaven’s Gabriel and other dimensional beings. Yet it was clearly stated multiple times in NT10, NT12, and so on that they were all annihilated. Unless one chooses to deny the author’s own words, that’s the conclusion.


4. The line “Certainly, this would be fitting for opposing a magic God” isn’t an exaggeration, because Othinus had, in fact, destroyed the world once before with her own hands.

That line merely praises Marian’s methods as a technique suitable for standing against a magic God.

However, if Othinus had her full power back, even so, she could twist Marian to death with a single blow.

It’s clearly stated that all of those combined techniques still wouldn’t match a fully realized magic God.

Being “suitable for opposing” is entirely different from “capable of winning” or “capable of killing.”

5. As for point #5, it’s less a mistranslation and more an interpretation issue.

“Don’t you see? The world has certain ‘paths’: humans, beasts, celestial beings, hungry ghosts… but there isn’t a single ‘path’ that allows the existence of magic Gods like us. We’re so out of the ordinary that we no longer fit into the six paths. And since we haven’t ascended by normal means, there’s no chance the gate to the Pure Land or Heaven will open for us either.”

All that’s really saying is that, because the magic Gods relied on something akin to a “cheat,” the way to the Pure Land or Heaven won’t open to them. It doesn’t imply that they’re inferior to those realms.

Later on, the magic Gods turn to Kamijou as a method they can rely on—does that make Kamijou himself akin to Heaven or the Pure Land?

Not at all. They simply needed a “vessel” that could contain them; the Heavenly Realm or the Pure Land couldn’t accommodate them, and that’s why that line appears.
All of them are a matter of interpretation, no? At least, I didn't understand where was the translation error in points 2 and 4.

That said, I completely agree with what you said on points 2 and 5, not so much on point 4 (opposing still means that Dainsleif is on a similar level, doesn't matter if it can defeat Othinus or not).

What about point 3 tho?
 
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