Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

[Felience1]

I am only talking in general here.

I see, the accurate part i was talking about me so I was a bit confused. Anyways, I of course think you are right.

 

[Felience1]

I realized a bit ago that Kazakiri only has limited law manipulation via esper power. Shouldn't she have full Law Manip since there are quotes about her warping laws?
her presence alone warps the laws of the world, weakening magic and hurting magic users

 

[Churronzon]

I don’t agree with her having an Esper power to begin with. Being formed by AIM doesn’t grant her a personal reality.
Removing limited from law manip would be good though.
There’s also her NPI, electricity manip, type 8 immortality, danmaku, and semi-omnipresence

 

[Felience1]

I will bring back my good old list. Tell me what has been done and what is pending or any kind of feedback.

Old threads:

Random Toaru ability (Aureolus aditions)
Crowley's Nondualism.
[Toaru] Othinus tiering revisions
[Toaru] On Alice surviving Gungnir's destruction
Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision (Resistance to Phase Manipulation)
[Toaru character addition to a profile] Adding the Will to the Sisters page
[Toaru] Additions for Mina Mathers
Gabriel Acausality (Toaru)
[ Toaru ] Gabriel MFTL or MFTL+ attack speed with God's Purge/Sweep
[Toaru] Additions surrounding Information Analysis and Resistance to it
[Toaru] Morality Manipulation for Othinus
Toaru Aleister CRT (Done, just 2 small changes left, AP and LS without magic)

New threads:

Kazakiri abilities adition and removal of esper power
Kanzaki supernatural luck.
Kiharas intelligence.
Kakine hive mind, maybe already aproved?
Aureolus should have Explosion Manipulation.

I think MGs should have dimensional manipulation and Causality manipulation (Causality is already there but not in abilities for some reason).

 

[Churronzon]

Idk I'm not focusing on any of the old threads

[Toaru] Archetype Manipulation for Coronzon

Coronzon having Archetype Controller got accepted in my omnibus crt with a possibly conditional, but I forgot that Aleister's CM didn't have a type attached to it, (assuming it even still qualifies as CM) so I couldn't add it to Coronzon's profile and had just put it in her techniques section instead.

 

[XDragnoir]

Idk I'm not focusing on any of the old threads

Coronzon having Archetype Controller got accepted in my omnibus crt with a possibly conditional, but I forgot that Aleister's CM didn't have a type attached to it, (assuming it even still qualifies as CM) so I couldn't add it to Coronzon's profile and had just put it in her techniques section instead.

It's type 3

 

[Felience1]

Removed that one. Btw the last one looks ok to you guys? I added that one yesterday.

 

[Felience1]

my omnibus crt

There are tons of changes that weren't applied right? Were they all rejected or should we bring them up again?

 

[Churronzon]

They're rejected.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

FantaRin The First/Sandbox Dot Two

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Current things in sandbox

• Mikoto
  • Her AP justifications in her Level Six Shift Experiment Key is shorten and streamlined as Mountain level with Level 6 Shift Phase 1, higher with Level 6 Shift Phase 2, far higher with Level 6 Shift Phase 3 and even higher with Black Sphere
  • Post-Daihaseisai has RD since she only learned it from Junko after Daihaseisai, which applies to her AP, SS, and DURA
  • Making Mikoto's Railgun upscale her lightning by virtue of her numerous statements saying her Railgun is a "cruel attack produced unequaled destruction" and explicitly stating her Railgun is supposed to be her trump card.
  • Her Anti-Art-Attachment's AP upscales her Lightning due to it being the exact solution she needed to reach the "next sage" that she felt her own personal esper abilities too weak to reach by themselves. DURA-wise, it just upscales from Mikoto's base Dura (as a higher rating) by blocking a C6 Element attack.
• Accelerator
  • Accelerator's Vector Manipulation AP has been remade to this;
    • Pre-Headshot - Varies (Will scale depending on the opponent's own durability, via reflecting and multiplying the rebounding/reactionary forces encountered upon contact); up to Mountain level with Vector Control (Stronger than his Post-Headshot key as he was unsure if the Sisters had even recovered half of his full power)
    • Post-Headshot - Varies; Mountain level (Even with half of his full power, he is still the strongest Esper in Academy City, making him far superior to Sogiita Gunha and Level Six Shift Misaka Mikoto) to Multi-Continent level with Vector Control (Can borrow the Earth's rotational energy and infuse it in an attack)
    • Post-Awakening - Varies; Country level (His attacks could harm Misha Kreutzev and Kazakiri Hyouka[2]) to Multi-Continent level with Vector Control
    • Post-Qliphah Puzzle 545 - Varies; at least Planet level, likely far higher with Vector Control (Fought Coronzon to a standstill,[3][4] and could destroy Nephthys's body thoroughly albeit her regeneration capabilities and immortality allowed her to outpace his superior destructive capabilities[5])
    • Only doing this as a side-thing. Kinda wanna remove this, but wanna hear your guys thoughts if this is a good idea or not.
• Mugino
  • As stated in my CRT; Mugino has no reason to scale to Misaka in the slightest in account for the fact that the latter was extremely weakened when they fought but she was still doing fine. Only scaling for AP she has for MD is from upscaling from Frenda's 8B bombs and Kiyama Harumi's 8B Level 4 abilities
• Salome
  • Her External Offering states has changed to this; Varies (Can destroy and offer up weapons to a god to increase her strength and gain the destroyed weapons' traits[1]); higher with Normal Absorptions (After absorbing the weapons from the Kamisato faction, she gained superhuman athletic prowess in Touma's eyes and overpowered Yuiitsu[2][4]), City level with Stronger Absorptions (After absorbing several of Misaka Mikoto's attacks, she gained the ability to destroy and absorb her Railgun[1])
• Kinuhata
  • Has gotten an entire remake in scaling... somewhat
    • AP - Human level physically (Stated to be a frail girl underneath her Offense Armor), City Block level with Handheld Anti-tank Missile Launchers (Uses the same type of explosives that Frenda Seivelun uses), higher with Offense Armor (Shouldn't be weaker than her defensive power as she uses it to amplify her physicals)
    • Dura - Human level physically, City Block level with Offense Armor (Blocked Kouzaku Mitori's Liquid Shadow, drone knives, and even stated that she probably couldn’t defeat her and had to immobilize her)

Everything else is just added and refined justifications for stats or scaling. F.E, Kihara Kagun is the strongest Kihara in his time, making him superior to Kihara Yuiitsu and Kihara Enshuu; Tsurigane Saryou can keep up with Kuroko Shirai, and the latter sees her as having extraordinary physical abilities, but the former been stated by WoG to be to a not even second-rate ninja and she has even remarked that Oumi Shuri has specs that are "high as hell", whom was one-shotted by Seria's sister; etc etc, you get the idea.

... Also. Once I get the time (and motivation), I'mma make a section for Komaba to separate his Base stats from his Hard Taping stats to two separate keys for scaling purposes.

... Anyways. Comments? Suggestions? Currently at a stand-still with this sandbox, so I can't continue my CRT until it is resolved. Tbh, I essentially don't care about Tier upgrades or whatever, I just wanna make the scaling and justifications nice and proper.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Making Mikoto's Railgun upscale her lightning by virtue of her numerous statements saying her Railgun is a "cruel attack produced unequaled destruction" and explicitly stating her Railgun is supposed to be her trump card.

Lightning has special considersations for scaling since it causes disproportionately small damage for the energy it has.
The statements compare Destructive Capacity, not direct energy output. Comparing two different types of energy (kinetic vs electric) based on DC they have doesn't work great.
Like, the argument is basically that the Railgun can do more damage against enough environment for it to have lightning level durability, but as the Lightning Feats page says, the environment not getting destroyed by the lightning strike doesn't really work for its durability.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Lightning has special considersations for scaling since it causes disproportionately small damage for the energy it has.
The statements compare Destructive Capacity, not direct energy output. Comparing two different types of energy (kinetic vs electric) based on DC they have doesn't work great.
Like, the argument is basically that the Railgun can do more damage against enough environment for it to have lightning level durability, but as the Lightning Feats page says, the environment not getting destroyed by the lightning strike doesn't really work for its durability.

Yay, input~ Tbch, the topic regarding Misaka's Railgun AP was just a draw to get some attention and not entirely smth serious.

Now, I await for further comments.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

snip.

Also.

[Toaru] Alice Anotherbible's Resistances

Not really a CRT, just a discussion thread to find out which resistances are to be listed as "possible resistance" in Alice's profile (but since it's in theory about adding content, I am creating it in the CRT subforum). It was accepted in a CRT and it's based on this: "Also, her body was...

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Check this out. It really needs a mod versed in Toaru, lel.

Welp, I'mma go back to Peak of Runia and decide if it is worth it to whale for W-alter in Arknights.

 

[Churronzon]

Pre-Headshot - Varies (Will scale depending on the opponent's own durability, via reflecting and multiplying the rebounding/reactionary forces encountered upon contact); up to Mountain level with Vector Control (Stronger than his Post-Headshot key as he was unsure if the Sisters had even recovered half of his full power)

This is a wrong way to index it imo. It sounds dumb for me to suggest since we removed it from his dura, but the cap to his Varies while avoiding NLF would be High 1-C since he can turn an opponent's High 1-C attack against them and in general sends things back at an amplified level.

An even greater attack shot back up from below as if to rebel against heaven. The #1 had
taken the satellite weapon head-on and then sent it right back with double the power.
-NT21

The justification would be slightly reworded to "Will scale depending on the vectors he comes into contact with yada yada"

If he encountered something that is island level, your cap would mean he couldn't utilize that power if he came into contact with it. It even contradicts the multicontinental earth-siphoning feat.
I've been meaning to make an Accelerator thread too, maybe I'll add it. The other stuff are:

• Removing the following stamina justification: "(This time limit does not apply to his other angelic forms)"
  This is fanon. The time limit does apply. His wings explicitly do not return his vector ability.
• Removing the following macro quantum justification: "Rearranged Last Order's electrons in her brain". He instead manipulated her brain signals which is moreso a bioelectricity feat and not macro quantum.
• Removing the Resistance to Extreme Temperatures: He's not resisting it; his vector reflection just prevents him from interacting with the extreme heat to begin with.
  If he actually had a resistance, he wouldn't need the ability to protect him.
• Adding a speed justification: Could match Nephthys
• Adding his reliance on the Misaka Network

I don't know where the exceeding supercomputers statement comes from but I don't want to give up on that yet lol. Maybe it's from OT5 and his feat with the Testament?

 

[Aseka]

Removing the following macro quantum justification: "Rearranged Last Order's electrons in her brain". He instead manipulated her brain signals which is moreso a bioelectricity feat and not macro quantum.

He does manipulate the brain signals in electron scale.

August 31, 8:12:51 PM.
There were less than four meters between them. He couldn’t miss at this range if he tried.
“Kuh…!?”
Accelerator was using all of his strength to control Last Order’s brain signals, so he couldn’t divide it to reflect anything. If he did, he’d introduce an error in the precise electrical signals on the scale of an electron microscope. That would mean frying Last Order’s brain to a crisp.
Only 7,001 lines of code remained.
Only nine warning windows were left.
His work wasn’t over. Time slowed to a crawl.
Amai probably had no idea what Accelerator was doing, but from his point of view, just the thought of him touching Last Order, whom he absolutely couldn’t let die, was probably close to driving him insane.

 

[XDragnoir]

bioelectricity

And Bioelectricity is, as the name suggests, electricity... so it is macro-quantum.

 

[Churronzon]

I saw a distinction between manipulating a general flow of things vs manipulating the spin of each electron specifically, similar to affecting the flow of wind rather than the properties of each individual molecule found in the air, and didn’t expect the wiki to add macro quantum to every electricity user and molecular matter manip to every air bender but you do have a point.

I'll think it over more; not like I was going to post it anytime soon.

 

[XDragnoir]

I saw a distinction between manipulating a general flow of things vs manipulating the spin of each electron specifically, similar to affecting the flow of wind rather than the properties of each individual molecule found in the air, and didn’t expect the wiki to add macro quantum to every electricity user and molecular matter manip to every air bender but you do have a point.

I'll think it over more; not like I was going to post it anytime soon.

The quote says he is doing it in the scale of an electron microscope, what you're saying here ignores that.

Not like the "flow" of electricity inside of a brain is even a large scale that be seen with the naked eye, which is when what you're saying would apply, + what you're saying doesn't always apply (or make any difference, most of the time).

 

[Accelerate420]

I saw a distinction between manipulating a general flow of things vs manipulating the spin of each electron specifically, similar to affecting the flow of wind rather than the properties of each individual molecule found in the air, and didn’t expect the wiki to add macro quantum to every electricity user and molecular matter manip to every air bender but you do have a point.

I'll think it over more; not like I was going to post it anytime soon.

Honestly, what should be removed is that feat as a justification for macro-quantum matter manipulation (Old translation), when it should be under macro-quantum bioelectrcity manipulation.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Trismegistus

H.T. Trismegistus (short for Hermes Thoth Trismegistus) is a transcendent belonging to the Bridge Builder's Cabal and a butler serving Alice Anotherbible introduced in Souyaku Toaru Majutsu no Index. He is searching for a savior of the world that can solve its socio-ecological problems caused by...

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Johann Valentin Andreae

Having been summoned by the Bridge Builder's Cabal with the hope of being their savior, Christian Rosencreutz, he instead cared only to satisfy his own desires and passion. It was later revealed by Alice that he was not in fact the allegorical CRC, but the author of its legends who grew...

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I just noticed these profiles was made. Nice... I give compliments to the chief that cooked 'em.

 

[XDragnoir]

Honestly, what should be removed is that feat as a justification for macro-quantum matter manipulation (Old translation), when it should be under macro-quantum bioelectrcity manipulation.

Why? Accelerator's powers aren't limited to specific targets, if he can use vector control in X scale then he can do it to similar sized targets, it doesn't make sense to limit it to a super specific thing such as bioelectricity.

Either it's macro-quantum and his powers can be applied in such a scale or it isn't macro-quantum and we remove it altogether.

 

[Accelerate420]

Why? Accelerator's powers aren't limited to specific targets, if he can use vector control in X scale then he can do it to similar sized targets, it doesn't make sense to limit it to a super specific thing such as bioelectricity.

Either it's macro-quantum and his powers can be applied in such a scale or it isn't macro-quantum and we remove it altogether.

That's not really what I said. I said this specific feat justification erroneously says electrons/matter is being manipulated when that's not the case anywhere in the text so it should be changed to the bioelectricty section. It's not that he can't do it, it's just that the justification given isn't correct.

 

[XDragnoir]

That's not really what I said. I said this specific feat justification erroneously says electrons/matter is being manipulated when that's not the case anywhere in the text so it should be changed to the bioelectricty section. It's not that he can't do it, it's just that the justification given isn't correct.

Anyway, if we don't use this one, which other feats would better be used to showcase the precision of his control then?

 

[StrangerALover]

bruh

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Yo, I just remembered this place was a thing. Lol.

Anyways, I need ya' folks' opinion on a few things.

For Touma

• Accelerated Development (Battle; Other - By fighting Othinus over 10,031 times, he was able to pick up her attack patterns so expertly that by the 10,031th battle Touma's experience was so great that the gap between their specs and abilities didn't matter anymore and him eventually defeating her was an undeniable fact. By defeating Alice Anotherbible without relying on Dragon Strike, he done the one thing that CRC couldn't and gained something from that; he could make up for his inferior skill, fill the endless gap between them and grow so that he wasn't the same as he was when he first fought CRC)

Analytical Prediction and Instinctive Action (Could predict the location of Agnese Sanctis's invisible attack and negate it. Read and analyzed how Oriana Thomson attacked with her magic and how her next attack would contain "escape channels" to be taken advantage, which not only enabled him to predict Oriana's attacks but also turned her fighting style into a dead end. Can unconsciously register and analyze minute changes in the battlefield and involuntary movements made by his enemies that likely aren't even aware they are doing in order to accurately predict the path of an attack and move his body accordingly to stop it, dodge it or try to reduce the damage to his vitals in case the former two options aren't possible[23])

To replace this from Touma's page

• Precognition (Can predict his opponent's moves by analyzing minute changes in the battlefield and involuntary movements[20])

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For IB

• Limited Aura (Fear-inducing; Caused the Imaginary Number District to gain sapience in the form of Kazakiri Hyouka by making it felt the threat of Imagine Breaker and instilling it with a concept of ‘death’)

To replace this from Touma's page

• Limited Fear Manipulation (Against specific beings who can be affected by Imagine Breaker)

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Thoughts? Changes that you might suggest?

 

[XDragnoir]

Yo, I just remembered this place was a thing. Lol.

Anyways, I need ya' folks' opinion on a few things.

For Touma




To replace this from Touma's page

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For IB

To replace this from Touma's page

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Thoughts? Changes that you might suggest?

Seems perfect, IMO

 

[Aseka]

Perfect

 

[XDragnoir]

[Toaru] Low Tier Scaling Part 1 (Science Side)

Hey, hey, fanta here. Decided to do a thing. This CRT is entirely focus on what is below, so anything else is entirely off-topic! Sandbox Here - Once I am finished with the Sandbox for justification changes due to this CRT, I'll edit this section. Maybe. Idk. Upgrading Low Tiers Tokiwadai Dorm...

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This CRT seems to have never been concluded and from what I've noticed, it has the largest impacts of the current CRTs.

Also, reading this CRT again reminded me how much I hate Toaru's inconsistent power level. The characters are meant to be human level until they get an specific power to augment their specs... yet we see people doing clearly superhuman shit constantly.

This shit looks more like power scaling superhero comics than other japanese series.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

[Toaru] Low Tier Scaling Part 1 (Science Side)

Hey, hey, fanta here. Decided to do a thing. This CRT is entirely focus on what is below, so anything else is entirely off-topic! Sandbox Here - Once I am finished with the Sandbox for justification changes due to this CRT, I'll edit this section. Maybe. Idk. Upgrading Low Tiers Tokiwadai Dorm...

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This CRT seems to have never been concluded and from what I've noticed, it has the largest impacts of the current CRTs.

Also, reading this CRT again reminded me how much I hate Toaru's inconsistent power level. The characters are meant to be human level until they get an specific power to augment their specs... yet we see people doing clearly superhuman shit constantly.

This shit looks more like power scaling superhero comics than other japanese series.

Too many moving parts fricked me over, basically, What I thought would be a simple if not somewhat exhausting task revealed itself to be a monster as changing one person's tiering ends up changing five-to-ten people's tiering. Still not sure how to continue for now.

And, eh. The manga(s) are to blame for the power escalation, tbh. Although, that does come with the territory of making action/fighting scene in a visual format. They has to be a degree of superhuman shit thrown in to make things interesting-and 20 (or so) years of this acclimated into this superhero comics scaling, lol.

Granted, IIRC, even just baseline wall level makes you stronger than any IRL!human that has ever existed and Toaru!humans are still firmly on the low-end 9-B side of things even if you throw any-and-all calcs, if I am not mistaken.

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Also. I need to hear your guys' opinion on this.

Changing Touma's OG Limited!Dura Neg from this;

Limited Durability Negation (Imagine Breaker has the same effect on supernatural bodies as it has on supernatural attacks)

To this;

• Limited Durability Negation and Regeneration Negation (High, possibly Low Godly; Against fully supernatural entities like Gabriel and Kazakiri Hyouka, Imagine Breaker can induce its negation effect onto their supernatural bodies and render them unable to reconstitute their physical forms with a touch[31][32])

I figured this is better than before + Regen Neg is present since Gab wasn't able to remake its form after Touma punched it.


Also, I did this for Touma's Supernatural Luck too. Changing it from this;

• Supernatural Luck (Imagine Breaker negates the power of fortune, passively making it so Touma only experiences misfortune[21][22])

To this;

• Supernatural Luck (Stated to be misfortunate because Imagine Breaker continually negates the power of fortune just by touching the air, giving him more and more misfortune that can actively work against him.[27][28][29] It is also stated by Othinus that Touma's ability to somehow escape dangerous situations brought about by external factors is due to his inability to die when he should is the greatest misfortune of all the misfortune he is constantly exposed to[30])

Thoughts? Changes?

 

[XDragnoir]

Too many moving parts fricked me over, basically, What I thought would be a simple if not somewhat exhausting task revealed itself to be a monster as changing one person's tiering ends up changing five-to-ten people's tiering. Still not sure how to continue for now.

That's fair, definitely not an easy CRT to apply.

And, eh. The manga(s) are to blame for the power escalation, tbh. Although, that does come with the territory of making action/fighting scene in a visual format. They has to be a degree of superhuman shit thrown in to make things interesting-and 20 (or so) years of this acclimated into this superhero comics scaling, lol.

I mean, there's a good bit of superhuman stuff in the novels as well, but this is fair.

Changing Touma's OG Limited!Dura Neg from this;

Yours is better than the current one, but overall I just think labelling IB as some kind of dura neg is wrong.

The changes to his luck are great.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

That's fair, definitely not an easy CRT to apply.


I mean, there's a good bit of superhuman stuff in the novels as well, but this is fair.


Yours is better than the current one, but overall I just think labelling IB as some kind of dura neg is wrong.

The changes to his luck are great.

I could possibly break it down to make easiers. Ninja first, then NT4 fighters of Marian and Maria and Enshuu and then go onto Yuiitsu, Salome and Kagun (since he outright scales above Yuiitsu due to being explicitly the strongest Kihara of his generation) and so-on and so-on until I hit the main trio + Misaka. But that will take god knows how long.

Ye, that's how we got Mugino casually one-hitting a tiger while saving someone in the ITEM novels, lol.

Maybe, but there really isn't any other way to describe Touma touching a supernatural being and them just popping out of existence, so to speak.

Greato. That's about it for the ability changes for Base!Touma and IB. What's next is Dragon Shell!Touma, which will gain this;

• Enhanced Senses (His skin could sense a change in the atmosphere and smell smoke at the end of a long, long hallway, and his Dragon Shell was even making him think he might never return to being human as it was changing how he saw the world he was seeing, hearing and even the flow of time[46])

... and that's about it. Having only one appearance does that to ya, lol.

 

[XDragnoir]

Maybe, but there really isn't any other way to describe Touma touching a supernatural being and them just popping out of existence, so to speak.

What you just described is existence erasure, dura neg is way too vague and doesn't really explain wtf is going on 90% of the time.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Behold. The fruits of my labours of fricking around in a hypothetical profile revamp for Touma in a sandbox.

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Most important thing I did was separating Touma's base physicals with the physicals he gets when he dons the Dragon Shell; Base!Touma's physicals in his DS key is tier 9 while DS!Touma in his DS key is scaling to Kanzaki for stopping her fearsome surprise attack, causing her pain and being said to be on her level briefly. Also revamped its speed scaling.

Attack Potency: Small Building level physically, Country level with Dragon Shell (Much stronger than normal. Stopped Kanzaki Kaori's fearsome surprise attack and made her grimace from pain with a serious punch, and is said to have reached Kanzaki's level briefly[46])

Speed: Subsonic with Sub-Relativistic reaction speed, Sub-Relativistic with Dragon Shell (Matched the timing of Kanzaki Kaori's fearsome surprise attack, perform several actions in front of her and managed to keep up with her speed[46])

Is this going to amount to anything. Idk. Up to you guys.

 

[Felience1]

Looks good at a glance. (I still hate the ap, dura and speed scaling in Touma)
We are not doing existence erasure or whatever with IB and leaving it as Dura neg?

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Looks good at a glance. (I still hate the ap, dura and speed scaling in Touma)
We are not doing existence erasure or whatever with IB and leaving it as Dura neg?

I figure it would be just safer to leave it at dura-neg for now. 'sides, this is mostly just a side project of mine that I ain't taking too seriously.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Looks good at a glance. (I still hate the ap, dura and speed scaling in Touma)

Oh ye, speaking about ap scaling for a second.

Random Tokiwadai student is relatively fine after getting hit by explosions, lol. Comes from Mental Out's manga's latest chapter. Sure, she was injured by 'em but nothing was said to be broken or whatever, so scaling her durability to this feat should be fine; and since she's 100% a normal student w/o training or physical amps, other Tokiwadai peps like Kuroko could scale to her.

Further proof of Noir's comment of Toaru's normal humans doing superhuman shit constantly and their inconsistent power level, ig. /s

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

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Here's one more sandbox. This one for Kihara Yuiitsu. Nuff said. Feel free to check it out and comment your thoughts.

 

[XDragnoir]

FantaRin The First/Sandbox3

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Here's one more sandbox. This one for Kihara Yuiitsu. Nuff said. Feel free to check it out and comment your thoughts.

I definitely don't like treating her stuff as prep-time, it's better to split it as keys or keep it the way it is currently.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

I definitely don't like treating her stuff as prep-time, it's better to split it as keys or keep it the way it is currently.

But it is prep time, though. Like she spent several days in getting the Five OVER, SS and St. Germain pill thingy (and all sorts of other stuff while studying the Kamisato faction to get WR), and this is especially accurate for her elements and AAA.

Although, I do agree that splitting it up in keys is a sound idea.

 

[XDragnoir]

But it is prep time, though. Like she spent several days in getting the Five OVER, SS and St. Germain pill thingy (and all sorts of other stuff while studying the Kamisato faction to get WR), and this is especially accurate for her elements and AAA.

Although, I do agree that splitting it up in keys is a sound idea.

Isn't her version of St. Germain permanent like the normal one? Same thing for Sample Shoggoth, it's something that doesn't really go away from her kit after she acquired it the first time.

The Five OVER and the Elements you're right tho, these are both optional equipment/summon and prep-based, but on the other hand her AAA, since it's pretty much a transformation, is better indexed as a key than as prep.