Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

[Piamma]

That's for Kamisato's quote, I was asking about what Nephthys said right before Kamisato starts talking.

@Piamma could you give the raw text for their entire conversation?


It straight up says they were not able to leave the world, which is what matters here, meanwhile your translation has Kamisato saying it is a straight line.

Again, not like this changes anything here in VSBW, cause the MGs are already above tier 2, but still.


All of them are a matter of interpretation, no? At least, I didn't understand where was the translation error in points 2 and 4.

That said, I completely agree with what you said on points 2 and 5, not so much on point 4 (opposing still means that Dainsleif is on a similar level, doesn't matter if it can defeat Othinus or not).

What about point 3 tho?

Yoshino: “With the start of the New Testament and the introduction of more characters, things have gradually been inflating (laughs). As one of the people finding this more and more interesting, I also really liked the fast pace up to the Russia arc, so I’m excited about what we can do this time.”

Kamachi: “Since the topic of inflation has come up, let me just say that the way Saints are depicted and handled changed drastically before and after the start of the New Testament. In the old series, the presence of Angels was a major factor, but in the New Testament, MagicGods—beings that exist in the realm of gods—appear, effectively raising things one step higher.”

Regarding point 3: When the third season of the anime came out, Kamachi personally explained why the treatment and depiction of Saints changed in the New Testament. Up through the Old Testament volumes, Angels were the primary focus, but with the New Testament, MagicGods—existences in the realm of gods—were introduced, causing one step of “inflation.” Kamachi explicitly used the terms “inflation” and “level,” clarifying that MagicGods rank higher than Angels.



The full interview can be found at this link : https://blog.naver.com/tw2psh/221338505552?photoView=2

 

[Piamma]

That's for Kamisato's quote, I was asking about what Nephthys said right before Kamisato starts talking.

@Piamma could you give the raw text for their entire conversation?

sure.


You seem to have interpreted that line as referring to parallel worlds being impossible. But the context before and after are completely separate. Nephthys was about to explain parallel worlds when Kamisato cut her off.

The phrase ‘it’s impossible, there’s no way’ actually refers to the ‘new World’ Kamisato mentioned earlier—that’s what he’s calling impossible.

After that, Kamisato explains that the MagicGods investigated the entire universe and all the phases, yet still couldn’t find this new World, which is why they longed for it.

PS: I’ve arbitrarily been translating 新天地 as ‘New world,’ but I’m not sure how js06 rendered it in their English translation.

 

[Piamma]

That's for Kamisato's quote, I was asking about what Nephthys said right before Kamisato starts talking.

@Piamma could you give the raw text for their entire conversation?


It straight up says they were not able to leave the world, which is what matters here, meanwhile your translation has Kamisato saying it is a straight line.

Again, not like this changes anything here in VSBW, cause the MGs are already above tier 2, but still.


All of them are a matter of interpretation, no? At least, I didn't understand where was the translation error in points 2 and 4.

That said, I completely agree with what you said on points 2 and 5, not so much on point 4 (opposing still means that Dainsleif is on a similar level, doesn't matter if it can defeat Othinus or not).

What about point 3 tho?

Regarding point 2: when I mentioned there was a translation error, I was referring to how some people interpret the text as though the transcendent beings actually survived—based solely on the “if” in the story. However, for that “if” to hold, those transcendent beings would have had to endure the phase manipulation and even survive the Black Labyrinth. Since that underlying premise itself is not possible, the argument becomes meaningless.

As for point 4, I’m not denying Marianne’s ability to destroy the world. Even if she does possess such power at full strength, she still wouldn’t be able to stand against Othinus. In other words, you’re correct that this doesn’t change any existing power-scaling.

 

[XDragnoir]

PS: I’ve arbitrarily been translating 新天地 as ‘New world,’ but I’m not sure how js06 rendered it in their English translation.

It was translated as New World, yes.

Regarding point 2: when I mentioned there was a translation error, I was referring to how some people interpret the text as though the transcendent beings actually survived—based solely on the “if” in the story. However, for that “if” to hold, those transcendent beings would have had to endure the phase manipulation and even survive the Black Labyrinth. Since that underlying premise itself is not possible, the argument becomes meaningless.

Got it, thanks.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Salome is done. Kakeru is also done. Sorta. I just need to get a couple more scans for his intel section, but otherwise he's 100% complete.

Yay for progress~

 

[Acertainbcplayer]

Eh, as the H1B thread is quite meh at this point (I don't think it will go anywhere tbh, if it does, whatever), I'm making a 1B one instead, this time focusing solely on Phasic beings and most importantly, Magic Gods and argue with actual scans. I'm only doing this because I think we're heavily underestimating how higher form of existences or power actually transcends the Physical World as they should.

Thread 'The complete review for 1B Toaru'

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Purpose
This Thread is made to do a slight Revision on Toaru, to try get it to 1B.

I'll be focused on the Magic Gods and other higher form of existence and why they'd suffice for at least 1B. First, let's talk about the Physical Universe. The Physical Universe is the Universe where nearly all events happens in Index, it is the "world" that all the other Phases stacks upon. Now, we've agreed that the Physical Universe is 11D via teleporters, how their abilities works and Curtana proving the existence of higher dimensions. Anyways, to the Magic Gods:...

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Also, are we doing an overhaul for higher form beings or something like that?