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Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

Yo. It's time.

FantaRin_The_First

Thread '[Toaru] Salome Profile Rework'

'ey, 'ey. Fanta here. First Toaru CRT of the year! This is part one of a series of CRTs meant to rework a bunch of characters that showed up during the World Rejecter Arc. First off is Salome.

Salome's Current Profile.

My reworked profile.

Changes are as follows.

Overall Changes:
  • Added various scans and references
  • Added ratings for Salome's absorptions with External Offering
  • Reworked the justification of Salome's Attack Potency, Striking Strength and Durability
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Get in here for the Salome rework. Pretty please, lol.
 
So, um, genuine question. How come we don't treat Othinus' 'Can do anything including all possibilities, including those where she fails' as a lot higher than her current tier ? It is one of the best and blatant interpretations of 'Can do anything' I've seen in fiction, as it makes a lot of sense. If you can truly do anything, then you can also just as much be limited as you can be limitless, like the ultimate Yin-Yang to all possibilities involving yourself.
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
So, um, genuine question. How come we don't treat Othinus' 'Can do anything including all possibilities, including those where she fails' as a lot higher than her current tier ? It is one of the best and blatant interpretations of 'Can do anything' I've seen in fiction, as it makes a lot of sense. If you can truly do anything, then you can also just as much be limited as you can be limitless, like the ultimate Yin-Yang to all possibilities involving yourself.
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What?
 
Let me rephrase:

The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
So, um, genuine question. How come we don't treat Othinus' 'Can do anything including all possibilities, including those where she fails' as a lot higher than her current tier ? It is one of the best and blatant interpretations of 'Can do anything' I've seen in fiction, as it makes a lot of sense. If you can truly do anything, then you can also just as much be limited as you can be limitless, like the ultimate Yin-Yang to all possibilities involving yourself.
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What are you saying we should do with that quote?
 
You guys know the drill, lol.

FantaRin_The_First

Thread '[Toaru] Verse Profile Rework Part 1'

'ey, 'ey. Fanta here. Part two of a series of CRTs meant to rework a bunch of characters that showed up during the World Rejecter Arc. Salome CRT is finished, so... since she's the linchpin of this CRT (and future CRT)... Here's a bunch of profile reworks for Toaru characters.


Yuiitsu's Current Profile.

My reworked profile.

Side Note: If Kihara Yuiitsu successfully gets upgraded, the Tokiwadai Dorm Supervisor gets upgraded as well as she fully scales to Yuiitsu)

  • Added various scans and references
  • Reworked the justification of Yuiitsu's Attack...
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So far, seen none discussing the implication of True Expert inserting a phase (fake hell) into the world.
Are we ever going to give his phase (at least a pocket reality feat) a separate rating from its effect (not rewriting the surface world)?
I mean tier-5 JVA feels funny. But that's that.
 
ToaruCounterfeitCRC said:
So far, seen none discussing the implication of True Expert inserting a phase (fake hell) into the world.
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Well, doing a CRT to add stuff to his profile should be easy enough, we just have to discuss what exactly to add in this thread so that the CRT goes smoothly IMO.

ToaruCounterfeitCRC said:
Are we ever going to give phase (at least a pocket reality feat) a separate rating from its effect (potentially rewriting the surface world)?
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Are you still referring to CRC here or to Aleister? In both cases I don't think either rewrote the surface world, CRC didn't even rewrite the specific Phase he recreated as Hell was still there, below his fake one.

Anyway, it's more hax than anything else so I don't think giving a tier rating would be correct, at least for now.
 
XDragnoir said:
Well, doing a CRT to add stuff to his profile should be easy enough, we just have to discuss what exactly to add in this thread so that the CRT goes smoothly IMO.
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I think we never saw a phase as a separate and different (let alone inhabited) world until GT11, so I understand why it wasn't listed under his creation feat initially.
XDragnoir said:
Are you still referring to CRC here or to Aleister? In both cases I don't think either rewrote the surface world, CRC didn't even rewrite the specific Phase he recreated as Hell was still there, below his fake one.
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My bad. I meant to say having a separate rating for creating a phase, rather than to rate the potential effect of inserting one (may or may not rewrite the surface world).
XDragnoir said:
Anyway, it's more hax than anything else so I don't think giving a tier rating would be correct, at least for now.
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I guess the present problem is since we can't quantify the size, the lowball of measuring the inhabitants does not really change the rating.
Despite thinking the size of phases can be somewhat extrapolated using the surface world (as I recall many lines saying phases permeate the world etc.),
I will rest my case as of now.
 
ToaruCounterfeitCRC said:
I think we never saw a phase as a separate and different (let alone inhabited) world until GT11, so I understand why it wasn't listed under his creation feat initially.
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I don't understand what you're saying here, we know Phases are inhabited since OT4 when they were first introduced and Tsuchimikado and Kanzaki explained them to us, pretty much the same for it being separate.


ToaruCounterfeitCRC said:
My bad. I meant to say having a separate rating for creating a phase, rather than to rate the potential effect of inserting one (may or may not rewrite the surface world).
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ToaruCounterfeitCRC said:
I guess the present problem is since we can't quantify the size, the lowball of measuring the inhabitants does not really change the rating.
Despite thinking the size of phases can be somewhat extrapolated using the surface world (as I recall many lines saying phases permeate the world etc.),
I will rest my case as of now.
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Got it, but as you said quantifying its size isn't really possible, we don't even know if CRC's hell is meant to be as big as a full, real phase, especially given Touma and the experts crossed it in a few hours after all.
 
ToaruCounterfeitCRC said:
So far, seen none discussing the implication of True Expert inserting a phase (fake hell) into the world.
Are we ever going to give his phase (at least a pocket reality feat) a separate rating from its effect (not rewriting the surface world)?
I mean tier-5 JVA feels funny. But that's that.
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Well, creating an actual Phase akin to what the Magic Gods do would, by default, grant a character from the verse a High 1-C rating. Now whether that's what CRC did with his weird hell is entirely up for debate. I'm personally skeptical, as the way I see it, CRC's hell was a very temporary and unstable creation meant for only one purpose, and was never going to last the way normal phases do due to said purpose and the conflict (in a cosmological sense) that it presented.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that we can't really quantify that feat due to how unique it is, in an already complicated and relatively unclear setting (as far as cosmology is concerned).
 
Finally, my CRT is done, anyways... So... It's Touma's turn in the CRT spotlight.

FantaRin_The_First

Thread '[Toaru] Verse Profile Rework Part 2'

'ey, 'ey. Fanta here. Part three of a series of CRTs meant to rework a bunch of characters that showed up during the World Rejecter Arc. Seeing as my previous CRT has finished for a bit now... here's Toaru's main protag, Kamijou Touma!


Touma's Current Profile.

My reworked profile.

  • Added various scans and references
  • Combined Dragon Heads and Invisible Thing into Touma's Base Key. In addition, I revamp their scaling as Base!Touma gets AP, SS, Dura and Speed upgraded due to Yuiitsu and Salome's changes and due to Dragon Shell's upgrades
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Yo.

I need your guys opinion. Ya'think it is best to have GT!St. Germain on Touma's profile as a key or is it best to leave it on St. Germain's profile.
 
XDragnoir said:
I'd rather have it be in Touma's, but I do kinda see how it breaks the flow in his profile.
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It's a bit late in my neck of the woods, but I could write up a St. Germain key + scans in my Touma sandbox to show ya' how it would work on Touma's profile once I have the free time.
 
Oh, ye. Let's talk about smth controversial in regards to Touma.

Him reacting to Othinus' MFTL+ arrows. My CRT gives Touma a form of accelerated development due to his feats against Othinus and CRC, so I could him "higher, possibly MFTL+ reactions (or just a flat MFTL+ rating) with Accelerated Development".

Idk. I just figure it's best to address this now rather than the far off future.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Oh, ye. Let's talk about smth controversial in regards to Touma.

Him reacting to Othinus' MFTL+ arrows. My CRT gives Touma a form of accelerated development due to his feats against Othinus and CRC, so I could him "higher, possibly MFTL+ reactions (or just a flat MFTL+ rating) with Accelerated Development".

Idk. I just figure it's best to address this now rather than the far off future.
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Yeah, I am not taking part on this, whatever y'all decide is good to go IMO.

@Zensum @Accelerate420 @Acertainbcplayer @Churronzon @MrOMG (I wish I could actually tag people)

What do y'all think about this?
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Oh, ye. Let's talk about smth controversial in regards to Touma.

Him reacting to Othinus' MFTL+ arrows. My CRT gives Touma a form of accelerated development due to his feats against Othinus and CRC, so I could him "higher, possibly MFTL+ reactions (or just a flat MFTL+ rating) with Accelerated Development".

Idk. I just figure it's best to address this now rather than the far off future.
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I think it's fine for a higher, possibly
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Oh, ye. Let's talk about smth controversial in regards to Touma.

Him reacting to Othinus' MFTL+ arrows. My CRT gives Touma a form of accelerated development due to his feats against Othinus and CRC, so I could him "higher, possibly MFTL+ reactions (or just a flat MFTL+ rating) with Accelerated Development".

Idk. I just figure it's best to address this now rather than the far off future.
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I think this is perfectly reasonable. The feat is there, and indexing it in that way would go some way to explain his inconsistent showings regarding reaction time IMO. That being said, I think MFTL+ reactions would be the much better choice, rather than a flat MFTL+ rating.
 
I don't know how you came out of reading this series thinking touma could tank MOABs.
I'm neutral on the speed variance. Touma perfectly parrying CRC's diamond bullets in his rematch which completely blitzed him in GT9 could support it.

St. Germain key being on Touma's profile is fine.

Still no fisheggs AP rating for destroying Coronzon's essence that would tank being in the epicenter of an explosion that would wipe out half the universe eh
 
Churronzon said:
?? It’s only incomplete Mo Athair. It’d require a likely rating but the purpose of it was so she can find another way to destroy the Sephirah.
She can’t do that if she’s dead.
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I thought you were referring to the complete one, that's my bad.

Still, there's not really any reason that I know for the incomplete version to even destroy a soul to begin with, the complete version could affect the entire cosmology so destroying souls would be easy for it, but the incomplete version doesn't really have any statement of affecting souls.

To simplify, it's a soul surviving a big explosion, trying to get durability out of this and AP for another character down the line doesn't work.
 
Can you prove they’re intangible? Incorporeal =/= intangible.
I tried to argue that at first and was later convinced otherwise in one of the crts that discussed Aiwass’ energy body that was comparable to Coronzon’s not being assumed to be intangible and also after reading this comment by Agnaa.

We know telesma is what forms Gabriel and Coronzon and that same energy wasn’t intangible when it tried to destroy Eurasia in an explosion and physically harmed Accelerator.
“Do you understand what is going to happen?” Kamijou said while grinding his teeth.
“That’s a huge mass of the same energy that makes up an angel’s body. If that falls down
to the earth, a ridiculously huge explosion will spread across the surface before any kind
of change can take place!! It was the same with Misha during Angel Fall. If power that
massive is allowed to rage without being controlled, it could easily destroy all of human
civilization!!”
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Churronzon said:
Can you prove they’re intangible? Incorporeal =/= intangible.
I tried to argue that at first and was later convinced otherwise in one of the crts that discussed Aiwass’ energy body that was comparable to Coronzon’s not being assumed to be intangible and also after reading this comment by Agnaa.
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Souls are not intangible by default now? Wtf?
 
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Oh what thread was that

Do you have a response to my examples? We're discussing concentrated energy existences that vary case-by-case per verse afterall.

Wasn't Lilith an exposed soul that was being carried around by Mina and placed inside a crib?
The baby groaned unhappily from the crib placed a short distance away from the
experimental equipment.

That was Aleister Crowley’s daughter Lilith, but in her current state, she essentially had
her bare soul exposed to the open air.
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Well, there goes giving NPI to IB, lol.

Anyways, anybody else thinking Touma is missing any abilities in his profile or nah? I vaguely remember Touma mentioning that he has a resistance towards electricity in GT but am not sure if that is real or if smth my mind made up. Additionally, I think he may have a minor non-IB related resistance towards heat thanks to Mikoto's electricity being able to burn flesh with ease in her manga and him being relatively fine and unburnt by it, could be wrong tho.
 
FantaRin_The_First said:
Well, there goes giving NPI to IB, lol.
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IB still nulls intangible stuff, so nothing really changes.


FantaRin_The_First said:
Anyways, anybody else thinking Touma is missing any abilities in his profile or nah? I vaguely remember Touma mentioning that he has a resistance towards electricity in GT but am not sure if that is real or if smth my mind made up. Additionally, I think he may have a minor non-IB related resistance towards heat thanks to Mikoto's electricity being able to burn flesh with ease in her manga and him being relatively fine and unburnt by it, could be wrong tho.
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I didn't notice anything missing, will take another look later.
 
XDragnoir said:
You're doing the profile and you proposed the upgrade, I thought you'd be able to answer it
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I was just distracted back then. True answer is yes, the possibly MFTL reaction rating will be kept after NT9. As for how it affects others, I... am working on that. F.E; saint tier will get a flat-out possibly MFTL rating due to them being > Touma in all categories

There are also some relativistic calcs I have in my back pocket for speed upgrades, but I am saving them for when I upgrade Misaka's lighting to SoL.
 
Anyways. Nobody has comment regarding my Touma sandbox? Cuz, if anybody dosen't I'll update my CRT and proceed to attempt to get some mods for my CRT.
 
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