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Okay, so far, we know that currently there are more than 7 profiles that are currently rated as Unknown (For example, Sulley, Mike, Woody, Buzz, Mulan and Mushu, Jack Sparrow and Tarza, aka, the Seven Guardians of Scaling) because they can't scale to Sora and company, therefore, so they get "actual" tiers, discussion is needed on the tier the most basic Heartless that has been in every single game but DDD, that's right, the Shadow. Recently Imaginym (Thanks you) has made quite a lot of calculations regarding the fodder, and 9-B appears to be the most consistent value.
Heartless
Here's the current draft profile (Demon Tide is fine as it is, as it was before an actual profile with no issues.
Also, yes, the current reasoning for 4-C has been dismissed as just hax, so input regarding where to start their feats is very appreciated.
I still have some in my mind however:
- As we can see in CoM, a single heart can make entire "worlds" from its sheer memories.
If this is right, a single "heart" is tier 4, which a single Shadow can easily threaten meaning that they could actually be tier 4 by themselves.
However, as they still harm it via hax... yeah, it's not applicable, at least for physical stats.
There's also the option of them being able to scale to Aqua while being in the Realm of Darkness, as she has to put some effort to fight them, and no restraining is involded, so the base form can still be High 4-C and MFTL+ (Possibly infinite due to lack of time axis to begin with, but that's for another CRT) while in it, however, outside of it, they are seen by fodder by all the main cast (the ones at High 4-C).
However, scaling to something like "At least 9-B, possibly High 4-C" for the ones currently at Unknow (not the fodder) may be possible as they can indeed keep up with others of this level (Anyone with a Keyblade), even if it sounds absurd per all the current standards on the verse, while the fodder itself is 9-B as said before.
Them (Sora and company) being restrained in power is never brought up, they keep "Order" by not being too outstanding/weird by that world's standards (even if they use magic and technology anyways, as we can see very notably on San Franstokyo with Sora using Blizzaga, Flowmotion and even formchanges in a cutscene, let alone that moment where they talk about each world having their own laws and directly saying that they come from another world right behind Jack Sparrow's back, who was clearly listening), you don't see them bursting stars each second in worlds where "Order" is not needed either, for instance, so scaling Castlevania style isn't that much of an stretch (Aka, simply scaling like the way it's proposed above).
In a nutshell, my proposal is for KH fodder to be rated as 9-B thanks to the calcs, any Heartless in the Realm of Darkness is At least High 4-C and all the Disney characters with an "Unknown" rating get updated to "9-B, possibly at least High 4-C" via scaling to the Heartless fodder and Keyblade users.
Heartless
Here's the current draft profile (Demon Tide is fine as it is, as it was before an actual profile with no issues.
Also, yes, the current reasoning for 4-C has been dismissed as just hax, so input regarding where to start their feats is very appreciated.
I still have some in my mind however:
If this is right, a single "heart" is tier 4, which a single Shadow can easily threaten meaning that they could actually be tier 4 by themselves.
However, as they still harm it via hax... yeah, it's not applicable, at least for physical stats.
There's also the option of them being able to scale to Aqua while being in the Realm of Darkness, as she has to put some effort to fight them, and no restraining is involded, so the base form can still be High 4-C and MFTL+ (Possibly infinite due to lack of time axis to begin with, but that's for another CRT) while in it, however, outside of it, they are seen by fodder by all the main cast (the ones at High 4-C).
However, scaling to something like "At least 9-B, possibly High 4-C" for the ones currently at Unknow (not the fodder) may be possible as they can indeed keep up with others of this level (Anyone with a Keyblade), even if it sounds absurd per all the current standards on the verse, while the fodder itself is 9-B as said before.
Them (Sora and company) being restrained in power is never brought up, they keep "Order" by not being too outstanding/weird by that world's standards (even if they use magic and technology anyways, as we can see very notably on San Franstokyo with Sora using Blizzaga, Flowmotion and even formchanges in a cutscene, let alone that moment where they talk about each world having their own laws and directly saying that they come from another world right behind Jack Sparrow's back, who was clearly listening), you don't see them bursting stars each second in worlds where "Order" is not needed either, for instance, so scaling Castlevania style isn't that much of an stretch (Aka, simply scaling like the way it's proposed above).
In a nutshell, my proposal is for KH fodder to be rated as 9-B thanks to the calcs, any Heartless in the Realm of Darkness is At least High 4-C and all the Disney characters with an "Unknown" rating get updated to "9-B, possibly at least High 4-C" via scaling to the Heartless fodder and Keyblade users.
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