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Tier-Accurate Hero Association

Aside from performing the best against Garou (other than Saitama, of course), both Monsterized Ninja's were so deadly that even just one would have been too much for the rest of the S-Class to deal with just due to sheer speed alone. In terms of just raw power, and of course sheer deadliness, both Ninja's are far more dangerous than Fuhrer Ugly or Gums.

I'm not saying Flash is stronger than Bang or even Darkshine; In terms of pure statistics, Flash has speed, Bang has skill, and Darkshine has strength and durability. But this list isn't about who's stronger, its about who's deadlier in combat, and based on everything Flash is above both just due to sheer speed, and Bang is above Darkshine. In fact using the latter example demonstrates this point perfectly, as, despite having higher strength and especially durability statistics, Bang still utterly destroyed him in their sparring match, despite Darkshine coming out the other end with next to no injuries, all due to pure skill.
 
Bumping this for those who missed it

He had faster attack speed than Speed o' Sound Sonic (and thus Genos), and could move and react faster than Child Emperor could process. He also casually held off and defeated G5, who would've stomped Child Emperor and was at least as powerful as Iaian.
 
All of those are only Demon level tho. My question was how does his standing against Dragon Level threats currently hold?
 
Oh, I thought g5 was Dragon, my bad.

Well so far we just know that he'd be above Genos and Child Emperor.

Going off the wiki, he hasn't fought any other dragons
 
Well, I ask mainly because much like Watchdog Man, while they've been presented as being capable of casually blitzing/stomping every single demon they've come across, their current standing against Dragons is still unknown. This is a problem because aside from obviously being below the top 6 members of the S-Class listed here (and Child Emperor with Brave Giant), Its unknown whether they'd place just below that or even lower than that. Since Metal Bat has been stated by ONE himself to be capable of defeating Dragon level threats, at least when pumped up enough, and Genos' current armor set contains enough power to fight against Dragon Level, the evidence would demonstrate that the latter two appear to outperform the former by the sheer fact that they have been shown to be capable of fighting Dragon level threats where the former have not.

I'm not saying that MB or Genos are definitively stronger than AS or WDM, just that the latter do not possess any evidence of being able to take on Dragon Level threats on their own. Pig God was in much the same situation before fighting his first shown Dragon Level threat in the form of Gums, in which instance he got completely demolished to the point of being eaten. It may also be the case that AS and WDM would fall into a similar fate against a Dragon level threat. But then again, maybe not, who knows?

Its for this reason that I think MB at least should be placed above both WDM and AS. At least until we get more infor on the two of them.
 
Maybe have separate keys for different heroes? Like pumped MEtal Bat and Brave Giant.

It's also important to note when characters were compared to Genos and Sonic, considering that the two of them are continually increasing in combat ability as the series goes on.
 
Yes, I would very much agree with that. Althouth I believe MB and CE have seperate keys, CE is only 7-C+ with normal equipment and 7-A with Brave Giant.

I would argue MB should be High 7-C to Low 7-B under normal levels and at least 7-B to possibly 7-A when significantly pumped up, but that's up for debate.
 
Metal Bat only struggled with the demon levels because he was hit with some sleeping gas type shit. He literally couldn't fight back.
 
0. Wanked King, stated to be able to go back in time with his speed and tanked the explosion of a bomb that would destroy the solar system.

1. Blast, Tatsumaki still looks up to Blast, Blast thought Garou and Boros weren't worth his time/weren't a threat to Humanity.

2. Lil Tay Tatsumaki, effortly flexes on everyone when she shows up, equal if not greater than Golden Sperm, who she stated she would be able to kill in 10 seconds if she wasn't weakened.

3. Watch Dog Man, effortlessly curb stomped Garou, Garou stating he's never imagined power like Watch Dog Man, Watch Dog Man also didn't care about Boros and the Dark Matter Theives after they destroyed City A.

4. Super Alloy Darkshine, rediculously strong S-Class, being able to beat Carnage Mode Carnage Kabuto who curb stomped Genos 40+ times in a row, tanked many attacks from Awakened Garou, was able to overpower his Water Flowing Rock smashing fist and break his ribs, however Darkshine has pathetic will.

5. Bofoi, his robot army was considered Demon Level immediately, Tank Top Master had difficulty damaging the clean up drones by Bofoi, however, his max is rather unknown.

6. Child Emperor, is arguably the most versatile Hero in the association, and would be able to defeat most characters using his versatility alone. In a pinch he has B.R.A.V.E he clobber most in his way.

7. Bang, casually stomped weakened Awakened Garou, casually one shot multiple Dragon Level threats in one go. Need I say more.

8. Metal Bat, his fighting spirit allows him to curb stomp most on the list if they fight him normally or don't one shot.

9. Flashy Flash, casually the fastest on the list, his only problem is AP, he doesn't really scale to anyone, and everyone he's fought either scales to himself only or gets one shot by someone stronger.

10. Zombie Man, another who can basically solo the list if fought normally, he can basically out Last everyone bar Metal Bat But the reason why he's 10th is due to the fact with the most minimum battle strat one can incap him, Puri-Puri-Prisoner states he is like a normal man to him, though this is likely that Puri is being humble

11. Puri-Puri-Prisoner, curb stomped someone who was equal to Deep Sea King, and has weird adaption abilities that allow him to get tougher as he fights.

12. Genos, Post-G4 fought somewhat evenly with Garou which allowed him to become Awakened, it was stated that Genos had the power of Tank Top Master and greater speeds as stated by Garou.

13. Tank Top Master, tanks attacks 4 times his own AP, was gonna kill Garou if not for Mumen Rider.

14. Atomic Samurai, one of the most fearless characters that shows up in person, couldn't even cut G5's core.

15. Pig God, Atomic Samurai's apprentices think what Pig-God does is Physics breaking, supposedly had an ability he could use against Garou but thought it wasn't the time for it.

16. Metal Knight, basically nothing known about him, best feats are him casually killing a few Tiger Level threats.

17. King, below average human level, can't even unsheathe a sword.
 
Chaingunfighter1 said:
Watchdog Man as rank 3. That's gold.
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Watch Dog Man curb stomped a full power Human Garou, where Garou stated he never imagined Strength that a EXTREMELY casual Watch Dog Man possessed.

He also thought that Boros' attack on the Earth wasn't a Threat to his City (I forget which one), same with the Monster Association, he thought they weren't a threat, even the hundreds of Monsters specially chosen to beat Watch Dog man lost to him while he was extremely casual still.

Unironically Watch Dog man has the best feats in the series bar Saitama and Tatsumaki
 
Watch Dog Man curb stomped a full power Human Garou, where Garou stated he never imagined Strength that a EXTREMELY casual Watch Dog Man possessed.

He also thought that Boros' attack on the Earth wasn't a Threat to his City (I forget which one), same with the Monster Association, he thought they weren't a threat, even the hundreds of Monsters specially chosen to beat Watch Dog man lost to him while he was extremely casual still.

Unironically Watch Dog man has the best feats in the series bar Saitama and Tatsumaki

That same garou he fought was a weaker garou. Meanwhile throughout the whole series after being beaten by Watchdog. Garous strength grew to exponential amount, where he got beat by bug god and then later on keeping with rover. So him beating up initial garou doesnt make him above bang who fought a stronger, adaptive, more skilled Garou, as you know garou adapts to anyones fighting technique and yet he couldnt do nuch to bang who was holding back.
 
>So him beating up initial garou doesnt make him above bang who fought a stronger, adaptive, more skilled Garou, as you know garou adapts to anyones fighting technique and yet he couldnt do nuch to bang who was holding back.

More skilled? Sure, stronger, not really, he was severely weakened, and Garou only adapts when he's fighting stronger opponents and can fight them for an amount of time.
 
Udlmaster said:
He also thought that Boros' attack on the Earth wasn't a Threat to his City (I forget which one), same with the Monster Association, he thought they weren't a threat, even the hundreds of Monsters specially chosen to beat Watch Dog man lost to him while he was extremely casual still.

Unironically Watch Dog man has the best feats in the series bar Saitama and Tatsumaki
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He left the scene to protect his City though.
 
Yeah, and he thought that the Dark Matter Theives weren't a threat to his City or he'd have fought them.
 
Udlmaster said:
>So him beating up initial garou doesnt make him above bang who fought a stronger, adaptive, more skilled Garou, as you know garou adapts to anyones fighting technique and yet he couldnt do nuch to bang who was holding back.

More skilled? Sure, stronger, not really, he was severely weakened, and Garou only adapts when he's fighting stronger opponents and can fight them for an amount of time.
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Severely weakened when his adaptation allows him to surpass his limitations and like i said him being weakened doesnt justify that when he was severely injured when he got to monster base yet he got stronger to where he can make rover sit down yet garou in his state where he fights WDM cant do aby of that. So your argument relies on being weakened when throughout garous arc he has been getting stronger exponentially. So if u wanna say he was weakened then that garou is simply stronger when he fought wdm
 
Udlmaster said:
Chaingunfighter1 said:
Watchdog Man as rank 3. That's gold.
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Watch Dog Man curb stomped a full power Human Garou, where Garou stated he never imagined Strength that a EXTREMELY casual Watch Dog Man possessed.Dude
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Garou was going full power, but this was also only a short time after he'd fought Metal Bat... a fight which was interrupted. Additionally, Garou comments after the fight that it wasn't the speed and strength difference that caused him to lose alone, but the unfamiliar style that Watchdog Man had which was difficult for him to adapt to... and Garou was fairly confident after the fight that he could do better. Garou later fought Genos & Bang/Bomb, never having the advantage in either fight, and powering up considerably more (in addition to adapting new techniques.) Despite that, he was still too weak to meaningfully damage Bug God; in fact, he hurt himself by punching the monster, and this was Bug God's regular form. Bug God's transformation which wa stronger than before was effortlessly one-shotted by Darkshine... and yet you have the confidence to rank Watchdog Man above him.

Watchdog Man's feats put him a degree above Metal Bat with a decent amount of Fighting Spirit. His single fight, which is tough to scale considering the debatable nature of when Garou is weakened and when he's getting powerups, is not enough to claim he's stronger than everyone but Blast and Tatsumaki. (Blast, by the way, doesn't have any feats that put him above Tatsumaki either. And we have no idea why he doesn't show up; it might not have anything to do with how strong the threats are. Yet another issue with your list.)

He also thought that Boros' attack on the Earth wasn't a Threat to his City (I forget which one), same with the Monster Association, he thought they weren't a threat, even the hundreds of Monsters specially chosen to beat Watch Dog man lost to him while he was extremely casual still.
Watchdog Man actually said in the final season 1 OVA that he left specifically to make sure his ow city was safe. He's also not the only one who left; Zombieman was gone, Flashy Flash left because he thought the other heroes had it under control, and Pig God left because he was hungry. And there wasn't much he or any of the others could do; Tatsumaki was bombarding the ship with rubble and shells, and four S-Class heroes were fighting Melzargard, the only alien on the ground. Plus, arrogance or confidence in one's skills isn't a feat.

Watchdog Man's reasons for not joining the Monster Association attack aren't stated, but we know he's territorial (in fact, he stopped pursuing Garou after he'd gotten out of Q-City's boundaries.) It's possible he's not going because he doesn't see the Association as a threat... and it's possible that, like before, he's remaining in Q-City to protect it. We don't know... but speculation isn't really good evidence.

The monsters who were sent after Watchdog Man are featless; we know they were "up to demon level" but nothing beyond that. The Monster Association was also wrong about a lot of the other monsters they sent out; Haragiri was easily killed by Atomic Samurai, Eyesight was beaten by Pig God, Do-S only just barely got away from Tatsumaki, Hundred-Eyes Octopus was killed by Flashy Flash & Tatsumaki, Genos killed Face Ripper and forced Awakened Cockroach to flee, Bang beat Fist Fight Djinn to death, Metal Bat killed Senior Centipede & Rafflesidon, and so on. The only monsters who were successful were Gouketsu (he still died), Elder Centipede (also still died), and the few who didn't end up fighting S-Class heroes (Pureblood, Maiko Plasma, etc.) So, personally, not great evidence there either.

Unironically Watch Dog man has the best feats in the series bar Saitama and Tatsumaki
Those aren't feats. As I said before, arrogance is not a feat. Most of the S-Class heroes were fully confident in their ability to beat the Monster Association, and they indeed beat their way through it... until they got their shit kicked
 
Blast still has the offscreen feats of beating someone who is most likely superior to Flashy Flash into a 15 year long coma, and bringing a younger Elder Centipede to the "brink of death." (Gyoro Gyoro also believed Blast would be capable of killing current Elder.) I think we can say Blast is above the majority of regular S-Class members (should be at least 7-A.) But at the same time, those are assumptions, as the Ninja Village Leader he beat is featless, as is younger Elder Centipede, so....

Yeah, he's not done anything of note combat-wise on screen. From a doylist perspective he's probably above Tatsumaki despite lacking the feats. It's safer to not include him for now.
 
Speaking of, he shouldn't have been deleted, characters way more vague and mysterious (especially feat-wise) than Blast have been allowed...
 
I mean, hell, more mysterious OPM characters like Drive Knight have been and are still allowed (only thing he's done is kill a few Tiger level monsters.) Blast defeating the founder of the ninja village, who should be stronger than most if not all of its members (who are from ~7-C to 7-A) + almost killing a younger Elder Centipede (most likely 7-A) should make him an "at least 7-A, likely higher" character (also putting him around Orochi & Golden Sperm)

That's ignoring character statements which have repeatedly put him at or above Tatsumaki's level.

Though the fact that we have almost no knowledge on what his abilities are, nor his other stats (speed & such) is a fair argument against this point.
 
Sitch holds Blast in high regard, saying that when humanity is in peril he will surely come. Humanity in peril basically implies a god level threat.

Fubuki holds him in the same tier as what King is perceived to be. She called her Sister a monster and Blast and King monsters among monsters. And she knows how strong her sister is.

She also said in the data book that Blast could probably beat every single S class hero at once.

There's a reason he kept his number 1 spot despite being so inactive when logically Tatsumaki who is out killing monsters every day hasn't taken the rank for herself.
 
Chaingunfighter1 said:
Though the fact that we have almost no knowledge on what his abilities are, nor his other stats (speed & such) is a fair argument against this point.
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Wasn't he stated to have laser eyes, psychokinesis and control over robots?

His speed should also scale to Centipede, the ninja leader and probably other S-Classes.
 
This is gonna be my last comment in this thread, I've totally lost interest.

>Garou was going full power, but this was also only a short time after he'd fought Metal Bat... a fight which was interrupted.

The fight was already over, Metal Bat's Sister interrupted both finishing blows made by both sides.

> Additionally, Garou comments after the fight that it wasn't the speed and strength difference that caused him to lose alone, but the unfamiliar style that Watchdog Man had which was difficult for him to adapt to... and Garou was fairly confident after the fight that he could do better.

I don't remember much of this, I only remember the part where he says he's never imagined Strength that WDM possesses.

>Garou later fought Genos & Bang/Bomb, never having the advantage in either fight, and powering up considerably more (in addition to adapting new techniques.)

You're kinda misrepresenting those fights, Garou was fatigued, weakened by poison and had just fought the assault team to fight Genos and then fought Bang after Genos, nigh-everything was stacked against Garou, I would say the only thing you could do to make it worse would be to remove his limbs, but Golden Ball had pierced his leg and SM his Hand

>Despite that, he was still too weak to meaningfully damage Bug God; in fact, he hurt himself by punching the monster, and this was Bug God's regular form. Bug God's transformation which wa stronger than before was effortlessly one-shotted by Darkshine... and yet you have the confidence to rank Watchdog Man above him.

This really doesn't matter, because WDM effortlessly scales above Garou, if he lost to Garou, Garou losing to Bug God and Bug God losing to Dark Shine would make sense, but he didn't, so you can't rank him below this way.

Additionally, Darkshine has the lowest demonstrated will in the series, even below Flustered Geryuganshoop, WDM would just keep pushing Darkshine to the ground and Darkshine would concede to him.

Darkshine gets demotivated by the littlest application of Willpower.

>Watchdog Man's feats put him a degree above Metal Bat with a decent amount of Fighting Spirit.

WDM would Blitz and One Shot Metal Bat, during the fight between Metal Bat and Garou, Garou Blitzed him, for example, when Garou threw the Grate at Metal Bat, he Blitzed Metal Bat to the point that Metal Bat couldn't see him or where he went and got ambushed.

On the other side, Garou couldn't even hit a Extremely Casual WDM, so no, WDM blitzes and one shots.

>Watchdog Man actually said in the final season 1 OVA that he left specifically to make sure his own city was safe.

And never returned, so he obviously didn't think DMT was a threat to his city.

>He's also not the only one who left; Zombieman

For reasons unknown, so, this cannot be used.

Flashy Flash couldn't careless and like you said, thought that the other S-Class could deal with it, they had Tatsumaki and King.

Pig God literally only cares about eating most of the time, he's literally eating during the brief, while he's fighting during the Monster Association's raid and still eats a Monster Whole while there. He's Pig God.

>Plus, arrogance or confidence in one's skills isn't a feat.

He isn't arrogant or Over condident, you'd have to prove this, but since I don't care to respond to this thread or another Bible, we can leave this point void.

>Watchdog Man's reasons for not joining the Monster Association attack aren't stated, but we know he's territorial (in fact, he stopped pursuing Garou after he'd gotten out of Q-City's boundaries.) It's possible he's not going because he doesn't see the Association as a threat... and it's possible that, like before, he's remaining in Q-City to protect it. We don't know... but speculation isn't really good evidence.

WDM is stated he only takes action when something threatens Q-City, which is why he appeared for the Summit of the S-Class, however, even after seeing the Destruction of City-A, he thought that wasn't enough to threaten Q-City unless they came to him.

Same for Monster Association, they did come to him and sent tens of monsters to fight him at once and they all lost, and he didn't consider the MA a threat, same with Garou, this is obviously not arrogance since he literally just curb stomped him into the ground, he has no need to chase someone who isn't a threat to him or Q-City.

>Those aren't feats. As I said before, arrogance is not a feat. Most of the S-Class heroes were fully confident in their ability to beat the Monster Association, and they indeed beat their way through it... until they got their shit kicked

Some of the S-Class are Arrogant, but mostly because the series reinforced this, the only person who's arrogance is unwarranted is Atomic Samurai, who got fodderized by Black Sperm.

Most S-Class aren't even arrogant, Tatsumaki, Atomic Samurai and Metal Bat are the only ones who are truly arrogant.

Tatsumaki is fully justified in her arrogance, literally flexing like Lil Tay in every fight, even while wounded killed a trillion fused Black Sperm and stated she would kill Golden Sperm in 10 seconds if it wasn't for her being weakened.

Metal Bat is arrogant because he's incredibly stupid, having a mere 3 in intellect.

Darkshine is confident to an extent but loses heart quickly, so not arrogant.

Child Emperor is definately not arrogant and is far more calculating than anything.

Pig God is disinterested in most fights and never really comments on people.

Bang is very humble, even admitting he is nothing compared to Saitama.

Flashy Flash is someone else who is disinterested for the most part, or is very apathetic.

Puri-Puri Prisoner is incredibly humble, stating Zombieman makes him look like a Human.

Zombieman is confident is him abilities but is far more calculating, even admitting that the Vampire Monster (I forget his name) won against him many times over.

Blast, we don't know about.

Genos is calm and calculating and likes to think he can win, so confidence, however, is humble when he needs to be, for example, willing to blow himself up, begging to be Saitama's pupil, and so on.

Metal Knight is enigmatic and not too much is known about him.

Bofoi is a massive asshole and only cares about money and power and little else, as well as testing out his rockets, he was willing to sacrifice City-Z just to test out his new rockets on the Meteor, as Genos stated if they worked together they could destroy the Meteor.
 
How are Metal Bat and Genos above Atomic Samurai? AS has the highest attack speed bar Flash and Blast, is more skilled than both, more versatile than MB and has much better feats than Genos, being able to hold off thousands of Black Sperm for an extended period of time whereas Genos got ripped apart by one Black Sperm.
 
>How are Metal Bat and Genos above Atomic Samurai?

Atomic Samurai is pretty fearless and doesn't have any good AP feats.

>AS has the highest attack speed bar Flash and Blast

That's literally pointless, if I can't over come your Durability, it doesn't matter how many times I hit you.

>is more skilled than both,

okay and? I'm sure Bruce Lee is more skilled than Saitama, doesn't mean Bruce Lee would win. Did you even read the Super fight Tournament which was designed to show you how skill is pointless in the face of overwhelming power.

>more versatile than MB

No, he's not, they're both extremely simple, do you not remember Melzagard where they refused to do anything else but slice/whack Melzagard not even knowing if he could be killed that way, they're both very simple, slice and whack.

>has much better feats than Genos

Pre-G4 Genos has better feats than Atomic Samurai, G4 is greater than G5, and Atomic Samurai couldn't even cut the core of G5, who's a scout robot while Genos beat G4, a Battle testing robot, by himself and crushed the core/micro-robot.

>being able to hold off thousands of Black Sperm for an extended period of time whereas Genos got ripped apart by one Black Sperm.

No, he didn't, this is blatant dishonesty, Atomic Samurai was getting ****** by Black Sperm the entire fight, When Genos fought Black Sperm he went into save Tatsumaki, then had his arm ripped off by another Black Sperm then fought a dozen of them before Bang showed up.

These wasn't even full power Genos as he was weakened by his fight with Overgrown Rover.

Atomic Samurai wasn't even able to continue fighting after his battle with Black Sperm, Genos still fought, showing a considerable difference, on top of this, Genos was fighting Furher Ugly as well as Black Sperm and hurt Furher Ugly
 
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