One-Punch Man - Upgrade Metal Bat's speed

[Shadow_x007x]

Metal Bat's Speed Upgrade
Original:

Speed: At least Hypersonic (Considered Pri-Pri-Prisoner slow. Did better than G4 Genos against Carnage Kabuto in his base state), up to Massively Hypersonic+ combat speed (Blocked an attack from Sage Centipede) with FTL reaction speed with Fighting Spirit (Reacted to Garou's kick). At least FTL with Resonance (Managed to keep up with Garou to perform combo attacks with him)

Changes:

Speed: At least Hypersonic (Considered Pri-Pri-Prisoner slow. Did better than G4 Genos against Carnage Kabuto in his base state), up to at least FTL (Outpaces Garou and can respond to Garou's speed at close range) with Fighting Spirit, higher with Resonance (He and Garou raised each other's powers)

Arguments:

1. Garou wasn't using his full speed:​

• Untrue. Garou had no reason to slow down. He wanted to save Tareo.
• If he slowed down, Tareo might have died. We saw how Garou felt when Tareo died.

2. Plot inconsistency:​

• This didn't happen once. Metal Bat outpaced Garou twice. (This feat occurs before Matal Bat begins comboing with Garou.)
• Metal Bat can move along with Garou. (This feat occurs when we first start the Garou back combo.)

3. Sage Centipede said Metal Bat isn't as much of a threat as Garou:​

• True, but it doesn't mean Metal Bat is slower.
• Garou can damage Sage Centipede, but Metal Bat couldn't at first.

4. Garou dodged all of Metal Bat's attacks:​

• Garou can increase their speed by evolving.
• It's not surprising that Garou could dodge Metal Bat.

Conclusion:

• Metal Bat can be FTL without Resonance.

Vote: (Bold = Staff) (Bold+Italic = Mod)
Agree: @M2u12, @Raiden38
Disagree: @Worthless, @Damage3245
Neutral:

 

[M2u12]

Looks good, I think I agree.

 

[Worthless]

Are you really saying Garou ran straight at maximum speed towards unamplified Metal Bat? LOL. Resonance being FTL is barely acceptable, and here you are claiming it for his base form. You're essentially claiming his base form reaction is fast enough to see Flashy Flash in slow motion. That's just plain stupid. And it's funny how some of you all here had a hard time accepting the fact that some characters can fight without using their full speed. "Oh, but Tereo was in blah blah," as if multiple heroes, including Saitama, weren't put in a similar situation where a kid, someone is in serious danger, yet none of them used their maximum speed to save the persons in danger because they DON'T need to.

 

[Damage3245]

nd can respond to Garou's speed at close range

In your scan here you show Metal Bat being completely blitzed by Garou. Yes, Metal Bat has his bat raised up to defend himself... but Garou has already gone flying past him to hit Sage Centipede.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Are you saying we can't FTL Metal Bat just because he's faster than Flashy Flash? First of all, there's no reason for Garou to hold back his abilities against Sage Centipede, because if you say things like that The manga isn't saying "Garou's power, too, increased" from Resonance. You're definitely saying that Garou is repressing his abilities but instead he's improving. Therefore, he was both repressed and developed at the same time. Wow that's really awesome.

If you say that Flashy Flash is listed as the fastest in class S (if you don't count Blast), then it wouldn't be a surprise. He's definitely the fastest, but since when was that confirmed before Metal Bat was FTL? During that time, Flashy Flash was the only one who was in FTL during that time. And if there's a feat that Flashy Flash did in the new Ninja War then shows in us that he is faster than that. That was just something that said he was getting stronger. I don't see how FTL for Metal Bat would be a problem.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

In your scan here you show Metal Bat being completely blitzed by Garou. Yes, Metal Bat has his bat raised up to defend himself... but Garou has already gone flying past him to hit Sage Centipede.

Garou should be faster because we have scans that tell us that Garou can continue to grow stronger.

Garou can increase their speed by evolving.

 

[Damage3245]

I still think Metal Bat's current rating is more accurate. He goes from struggling to hit a clone of Black Sperm to keeping up with Garou & Sage Centipede. It is better to list his FTL feats with the Resonance section.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Metal Bat can move along with Garou. (This feat occurs when we first start the Garou back combo.)

After that happened, Metal Bat was shown to be able to move with Garou, likely causing Resonance.

 

[Raiden38]

Metal Bat's Speed Upgrade
Original:

Changes:


Arguments:

1. Garou wasn't using his full speed:​

• Untrue. Garou had no reason to slow down. He wanted to save Tareo.
• If he slowed down, Tareo might have died. We saw how Garou felt when Tareo died.

2. Plot inconsistency:​

• This didn't happen once. Metal Bat outpaced Garou twice. (This feat occurs before Matal Bat begins comboing with Garou.)
• Metal Bat can move along with Garou. (This feat occurs when we first start the Garou back combo.)

3. Sage Centipede said Metal Bat isn't as much of a threat as Garou:​

• True, but it doesn't mean Metal Bat is slower.
• Garou can damage Sage Centipede, but Metal Bat couldn't at first.

4. Garou dodged all of Metal Bat's attacks:​

• Garou can increase their speed by evolving.
• It's not surprising that Garou could dodge Metal Bat.

Conclusion:

• Metal Bat can be FTL without Resonance.

Agree

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

I don't even agree with the fact that he is equal in speed to Garou before he was beaten by the Sage. It is doubtful to me that he even has FTL after this.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I don't even agree with the fact that he is equal in speed to Garou before he was beaten by the Sage. It is doubtful to me that he even has FTL after this.

He had already been attacked once before he could do this, and this.

The proposition of this trade is that he can be FTL with Fighting Spirit without relying on Resonance.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump

 

[Damage3245]

@Qawsedf234 Could you comment here please?

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

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[Qawsedf234]

Metal Bat is FTL but only with Resonance. Jumping to Sage Centipede has nothing to do with outrunning Garou, Garou later on showed he's much faster and this entire fight gave a new power to MB to handwave how he could fight back to back with Garou.

Just baseline FTL isn't supported to me.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Metal Bat is FTL but only with Resonance. Jumping to Sage Centipede has nothing to do with outrunning Garou, Garou later on showed he's much faster and this entire fight gave a new power to MB to handwave how he could fight back to back with Garou.

Just baseline FTL isn't supported to me.

If you look at the feat, you'll see that Metal Bat always gets behind Garou, but after he sees a helicopter being attacked. He was able to overtake Garou at the last second.

We already know that Garou is faster due to his own evolution. I don't think that's that strange.

And finally, he was able to display moves on par with Garou after Garou finished attacking Sage Centipede.
Which, if I'm referencing Metal Bat's profile, this scene is specified in the Fighting Spirit's ability.

Continent level, likely at least Multi-Continent level with Fighting Spirit (Fought and pushed back Sage Centipede alongside Garou, later damaging his mandibles)

 

[Damage3245]

If you look at the feat, you'll see that Metal Bat always gets behind Garou, but after he sees a helicopter being attacked. He was able to overtake Garou at the last second.

We don't know how fast Garou was moving at that specific moment in time.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

We don't know how fast Garou was moving at that specific moment in time.

1. Garou wasn't using his full speed:​

• Untrue. Garou had no reason to slow down. He wanted to save Tareo.

This scene is a series of scenes.

 

[Damage3245]

This scene is a series of scenes.

Yes, but I'm talking in that specific panel where it appears Garou is in the air and Metal Bat races ahead. Unless you're asserting that Metal Bat is actually thousands of times faster than Garou's maximum speed, then the only plausible alternative is that in that moment Garou wasn't moving at FTL speeds and that before he would leap in action himself (which we see him do a moment later) Metal Bat took the initative first and intercepted the attack.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

We also have another success.

And finally, he was able to display moves on par with Garou after Garou finished attacking Sage Centipede.
Which, if I'm referencing Metal Bat's profile, this scene is specified in the Fighting Spirit's ability.

 

[Damage3245]

I would just list that under Resonance since it is Garou & Metal Bat working together.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I'm curious if it's Resonance, but why does his profile list this achievement as Fighting Spirit and this is the first combo of Metal Bat and Garou? Will Resonance even happen?

 

[Qawsedf234]

If you look at the feat, you'll see that Metal Bat always gets behind Garou, but after he sees a helicopter being attacked. He was able to overtake Garou at the last second.

He went to save the helicopter while Garou wasn't and more importantly this is after the resonance has started to happen.

And finally, he was able to display moves on par with Garou after Garou finished attacking Sage Centipede.
Which, if I'm referencing Metal Bat's profile, this scene is specified in the Fighting Spirit's ability.

This is also when resonance had activated.

I'm with Damage, if anything that should be moved to the Resonance and his base spirit moved to moved to High 7-A for fighting Kabuto.