So he didn't start with it against Eddie and used to finish the fight, doesn't that sound like a finishing move?
Again, even if she doesn't go for the kill with TK, her range is still far above Jericho's.
You're talking about influencing a random audience. I don't think that's the same as influencing someone he's fighting.
How the hell is influencing a random audience that are aware of who he is comparable to influencing a tricky skilled assassin? That's not even going to work
Yes and that defeats your argument of him not using in fights because fights has rules (Even using Steel steps or chairs instantly get's you disqualified)
He only beat him up a little bit. This isn't a 20 minute matchup. If Jericho is willing to use it to play dirty, why wouldn't he use it here.
So? What's your point here? If anything, this further proves that he'd be willing to use it.
And Jericho is going to survive it. A 2.46x dura gap + Immense Pain Tolerance (he's able to go on despite suffering a severe amount of blood loss). This is not doing shit.
??? How is manipulating thousands of people different from one person who happens to be an assassin? How does this make a difference? Jericho is able to sway people to his side and think that he's a good guy. Why wouldn't he do the same here? Trick Shikata into thinking he gives up and letting her finish him off before striking her out of nowhere ending the fight.
Refer to what I said above. If anything, it's more impressive that he manipulated thousands of people who already know who he is. That would mean that they know how he acts. Shikata knows nothing about Jericho. She can easily get tricked here. Being able to manipulate an audience doesn't make a difference here.
Jericho can literally make her an offer to Join The Jericho Appreciation society only to trick her in combat and hitting Judas Effect or Fireball "which he can do anytime" and wins considering the fact that Accelerated Development users such as Omega aren't able to dodge it nor will Shikata = GG
I doubt she would even care to even listen to a word he even gotta tell her, if anything, it just makes the opening blow more possible.
I doubt she's that easy to anger.
I doubt any of those would be of any use to her at all. and also, you do realize that Shikata instantly revoked his offers.
Shikata only needs to get hit 1 or 2 times to realise she's outmatched, so that point's moot
Sure, he's going to survive the first one, but what about the second and third and forth and so on?
Shikata wouldn't take orders from anyone if she is willing to fight them to the literal death, ergo, She's just going to ignore what Chris even does and just go in for the kill.
We're kinda arguin that he doesn't start with those
It's Social Influencing for a reason. She isn't just going to ignore it.
She is if she's constantly getting insulted.
Does Richard have Social Influencing like Jericho does? Ignoring the offer is basically defeating the whole point of Social Influencing. It wouldn't make sense if Shikata ignored it, and went for the killing blow. That's not how Social Influencing works.
You're exaggerating a lot here. You're telling me after 1 hit, she's immediately going for TK? You'd have to give me a 10/10 explanation as to why. That's how much I doubt that Shikata would go for TK after 1 hit, let alone 2.
Yes. Jericho can legit last a whole hour, add on Pain Tolerance and you have a tough opponent to take down. Shikata literally has no justifications for her stamina. We have no idea how long she can last for.
Already explained this. This literally defeats the whole point of Social Influencing. She's not going to automatically ignore what he says and go for the kill. She's going to listen for a bit, and that's when Jericho goes in for the finishing blow. You guys are exaggerating a lot here.
She actually has, since she instantly revoked the offer to kill Spider-Man and she wanted to do it for herself honorably. And she killed the same person who sent her to kill Spider-Man. And if Shikata is willing to kill you, there's nothing you can do to stop her from that. She will fight you to the death.
This is clearly a fight to the death that she is willing to go through.
She hardly even took Spidey's insults seriously during battle, you really think Jericho's going to be that different?
Maybe it's the fact that Jericho is more than 2 times stronger than her and is so much more skilled that she can't even land a single blow on him
If the wiki states Shikata's stamina is superhuman, it is superhuman for the sake of the match.
Expect Spider-Man is a good guy not giving her what she wants, While Jericho is not. He's offering her what she wants, And that's to become the greatest assassin just like how he convinced 4 people to join his group.
That guy did not have Social Influencing.
It's not taking 1 or 2 hits. You're literally assuming in the first few seconds, she would use TK.
This seems like a No Limits Fallacy.
We're literally talking about a guy who is about 2x stronger than her, You're underestimating her intelligence in combat. She would eventually know she's about to be outmatched as she could analyze him.
I mean, she has to be in his range for him to do that
??? It’s a perfectly good example of manipulating opponents in an extremely high stakes fight
That is basically implying that he can just simply do that to manipulate anyone which makes no sense
Okay? Jericho can do the exact same thing Punk did. That's what we were arguing.
Still lacks the range to do so
???
That's literally how Social Influencing works.
To sucker punch someone you need to be, like you know, close to them?
Jericho uses Social Influencing to buy some time in order to get closer. Plus, I can't really see how Shikata can kill Jericho in quick fashion other than using her sword (which requires her to get up close), so your argument makes no sense. Jericho can buy time and the moment he finds an opening, it's gg.
That is literally not the point, you're saying that Jericho could just easily stop her in a midst fight to the death that is literally based off impressing his fans, and I doubt Shikata is going to be that stupid enough to fall for a stupid trick like CM Punk proposed. Are you forgetting that Shikata doesn't stop until she fights to the death, literally even Spider-Man tried talking her way out of it and it didn't even work.
Dude, we're you not reading the arguments at all? Those were just examples. We were also arguing that Jericho can stop in the middle of the fight and 'convince' Shikata to join the Jericho Appreciation Society. Keep in mind that the link I showed you where CM Punk stopped Ryder mid fight was a match with extremely high stakes. Jericho is more than capable of winning the match like this. All he needs is a small opening, and that's it.
Then can you be more specific with how his social influencing goes rather than just examples from other? And I literally already mentioned that Shikata would instantly withdraw from that offer later on, she doesn't take offers from anyone in battle looking at the fights she has gone through with Spidey. And all this seems like you're overselling his Social Influencing making it seem like it's exactly like Mind Manipulation.
