Tier 8-B: The Ultimate Quest Tournament (2022): Big Boss vs Johnny Test

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Okay? Johnny was still blinded, and water balloons are a far harder target to hit than a grown man.

Random we need counters quick

 

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Can Johnny shrink the island?

 

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Or make an army of clones to look for snake?

 

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Ya'll ready for a wall of text.
To list just some of what Big Boss has.

Grenades.
1. Chaff Grenades, a grenade that spreads shit that disables and interferes will all electronic devices within like a 100m radius. If Johnny has ANYTHING that relies on electricity or is electronic and they don't resist EMP, they're disabled for quite awhile, this alone could ruin most of his chances at winning. Big Boss has dozens of these things, potentially infinite.
2. Phosphorous grenades, they explode and emit a burst of steam that burns at 2,800c, boiling the bodies of those it comes into contact with, blinding them (permanently in most cases), as well as asphyxiating and burning the lungs due to inhaling and more. If Johnny lacks heat res, this can easily incap not only him, but clones, or even lead to death due to lack of oxygen.
4. Flash Bangs, as it says, they emit a blinding flash and extremely high noise that stuns those in the vicinity, one of these and Johnny is gonna be, well, stunned as he lacks the needed res.
5. Sleep gas cigs, emits a sleeping gas, they they need to up up close, wouldn't help unless CQC.
6. EM Nets, as it says, basically just a trap that uses an electromagnetic net for incap and capture, can be used to restrain Johnny if lured, this shit can stop a tank dead, you'd need like Class K-M LS to get out.
7. Sleep grenades, as it says, a grenade that explodes into a burst of gas that puts those caught within it to sleep, one of these and Johnny and dupes will be taking a nap.
8. Fulton Mines, mines that when one gets to close, emit a burst of sleeping gas (so think sleep grenades, but in mine form) which then proceed to fulton the asleep dude and slap a fulton on them and launch them into the sky.
9. Actual sleep mines, emit sleep gas when one get's to close.
10. Just normal mines, no real hax, but still useful, multiple types, types that merely explode, types that launch shrapnel, etc.

Guns.
1. Hush Tranq Gun, as it says, one hit and Johnny is down for hours. It's also completely silent, BB can fire this bad boy as many times as he wants and never be found.
2. EZ Gun, a gun that doesn't harm, but heals. Aka, BB can heal himself with this.
3. Another EZ Gun, heals psyche.
4. Tanegashima, a gun that spawns a tornado, can mitigate flight advantage.
5. The Patriot, a high powered gun with infinite ammo.
6. Snipers, in general, numerous types, including both tranq snipers (so even a light graze will incap and put to sleep) or just high powered ones that can ohko. This is notable, because this is Big Boss, the dude who CAN and HAS spent weeks in sniping duels, if BB wanted to, he could just use his stealth, sneak away, and then snipe Johnny, and it would be oh so easy given he out stamina's him by a hilarious degree.
7. stealth Gun, those struck become invisible, see EZ gun for options.
8. Numerous rockets and missiles, including one's with large burst damage (good for taking out groups) and also ones that lock on and home in. This also kinda makes flight a nonissue, but can also take out groups and chase foes.
9. Also just about every type of gun you can imagine, assault, rifles, shotguns,
10. Sleep launchers, they shoot bursts of sleep gas.
11. Basically every gun he has comes in a silent version, so pinpointing BB off sound won't be viable.

HtH.
1. Stun Rod, emits 1.5 million volts for incap, though given Johnny's complete lack of res, this would probably be lethal.
2. Literally just extreme skill.

Various camo's and uniforms with special effects.
1. Spider, costs stamina, but makes BB effectively unperceivable in any environment, may as well be invisibility.
2. Spirit, makes BB completely silent, also allows him to drain the stamina of those he makes contact with.
3. SV, heat, water and shock res, silences footsteps, can't be detected by NVG.
4. Invisible camo, it makes him, well, invisible.
5. Battle armor, as it says, battle armor, boasts high durability.
6. idk he has a lot, I kinda said **** it.
iirc 5 needs to be equipped ahead of time tho.

Misc.
1. Analyzer, something most of you might have forgotten he has. This enables Big Boss to analyze a foe, reading their stats, some of the skills and more, what's this mean? It means he's probably gonna be able to figure out which Johnny is real, as well as figure out what he's good at, what he's bad at, and exploit all of it. This also works on vehicles and stuff too. Doesn't work on ghosts though.
2. Bandana. Grants Big Boss infinite ammunition. Completely unlimited, bullets, ammo, etc, this means BB will never need to worry about running out, if it comes to it, he will outlast Johnny, every time.
3. Nightvision.
4. Recovery box, heals while within.
5. Sonic Eye, allows BB to "see sound", think like a sonar, but he can physically see the location of sounds. Works through obstacles as well.
6. Stealth Mat, when immobile, renders them invisible.
7. Stealth Camo (Proto), makes BB optically invisible by refraction of light, though the proto is kinda ass, contact halts it.
8. Radar,
9. Soliton Radar, this tells big boss the exact position and even their range of perception in real time, this allows Big Boss to completely avoid detection as he'd know what his enemy can see, as well as the locations of his enemies and even the movement they're doing (Meaning he can also see Johnny's movements).
10. Meds, enables BB to heal from injuries to grievous to heal naturally or normally, like a broken leg. (BB actually has quite a bit of healing items and the like).
11. Int Scope, basically allows BB to hear things from hundreds of meters away, could be used to listen to what Johnny is saying, might lead to exploitation.
12. Actual stealth camo this time, makes BB invisible.

Shit Venom has but BB has by proxy pretty sure, think we had a CRT that any normal item or equipment developed by R&D BB would have too.
1. Giga sleep grenades, will for days.
2. Fom Decoy, gives false readings to enemy sensors.
3. LLG mine, sleep mine.
4. Electro net mine.
5. Literal ******* wormhole mine, dude has wormholes that cover thousands of kilometers.
6. A dark matter generator. Effectively spawns a pseudo black hole that sucks in light and of course, deals damage.
7. Another DMG but stun.
8. Bionic arm shit, which obviously BB lacks but still, can spawn 1.2 megavolt strikes to smite targets. Also sonic boom shit for incap or blowing out eardrums, you can probably ignore the bionic arm shit.
9. HAND OF JEHUTY, basically can fire wisp that go around the foe and teleport them into CQC.
10. Infinity Bandana 2.

Now that's all fine and dandy, but the worst part of all of this? BB doesn't even have to fight Johnny and that's where you misunderstand all of this. If BB wanted, and he very well could as it's in character, NOTHING is stopping him slipping away using his unreal stealth and his dozen or so items, weapons and more that makes him completely invisible, completely silent, and undetectable by a **** ton of various sensing, and then just take Johnny out from afar using snipers or something (And given BB can snipe duel for up to two weeks, and he trained the likes of Sniping Wolf who has week long sniping times too), he can and will outlast, though nothing is stopping him from just taking Johnny, out, what's Johnny gonna do? He can't sense him, he can't see him, he can't anything, he isn't gonna be able to react or dodge an attack coming from a mile away outside his view that's completely silent because BB has like a dozen silent weapons.
And that's just one option, what's stopping BB from just using his stealth and camo's to get up to Johnny into CQC and do a dozen things like BFR him to another continent with wormholes, fry him with 1.5 million volts on contact, drain his life force with the spirit camo, or just put him to sleep on contact.
And then there's the issue of BB not doing any of that, instead, laying traps like sleep mines, EM nets, flame grenades and more, and just waiting for Johnny to trip them, or luring him into the AOE of one to proc them, after all, BB DOES have decoys he can use to lure foes, what's stopping him from just laying sleep mines, EM nets, and bursts of steam and luring Johnny into them, having them put him to sleep and incap him, for him to finish the job.
This says nothing about CQC, Big Boss humiliates, no, this isn't up for debate. Even if Test has the stat advantage, BB would still stomp him in HTH, couple that with the fact BB actively uses weapons and the like in HTH as his fighting style is developed for that very action, he can easily couple it with his megavolt stuns or sleep hax.
And then when you factor in BB is capable of analyzing Johnny, his attributes, skills, weakness, and he can know the precise location of him, his movements, his perception, and more at all times, this not only makes BB slipping away even more laughably easy, but makes it so he can ensure Johnny will never find him again. And as mentioned, BB has multiple emp-esque devices, that alone could cripple, disable or even render a lot of Johnny's equipment dysfunctional, and these things have a huge AOE, probably close to 100m.

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Yes, it's Big Boss, he can, and he will, stay hidden, and has the means to do so. Game doesn't have the tagline "Tactile ESPIONAGE action" without good reason, in fact, the BB rank in most games is only given if you never get seen or detected even once to give you an indication.
Unless he is forced into a direct confrontation, he won't take it, and even then, he's well and fully capable of slipping away in the midst of combat, it's unironically one of his gimmicks.
And plain sight? BB can go invisible, of course, so can Johnny, but BB has the advantage of JT's invisibility literally not doing a thing to prevent BB from knowing his exact location, perception, and a dozen of other factors, while JT is gonna lose track of BB instantly.


Which he won't, BB has fought in gunfights with those who utterly eclipse Johnny in firearm's skill, if Johnny has a gun-like weapon, he will never land it, BB is capable of reading the muscles of his foe's, figuring out the movement's they're gonna take, and as such knowing their aim before they even take aim, and he's also adept at fighting those who can ricochet shots, such as Ocelot, Solid, and more. He's even fought genetically enhanced super soldiers like Gene who is literally psychic and has even fought ACTUAL psychics. And BB skillfucked all of them, to the point Gene is the first dude in the verse chronologically to make mention of BB having wack super genetics. And that's without getting into BB's perception manip thing, that heightens his reaction time, to where even bullets move in slow motion. His team developed drugs that force him into that state too, so take that as you will.

Easily, extremely easily, Johnny could be a mile away and moving, and BB himself could be moving, and BB would still be able to strike him between the eyes, hell even the old decrepit Snake could shoot a wire from a moving helicopter. BB is a superhuman in regards to firearm skill, and he's probably the best sniper to have ever existed, with his disciples like Sniper Wolf being revered as sniping gods, who can hit you dead from kilometers away and can even play the waiting game for weeks. he also defeated The End, the dude who invented basically all modern sniping techniques, and BB could potentially duel him for two weeks, so long that The End ends up dying of old age.
BB has also plenty of experience with flying opponents, whether that be fighting espers, to fighting and defeating ******* gundams that can fly. Plural, he's done it multiple times.



It'll happen in every scenario Big Boss wants it to happen to. Literal Stealth God, and has the means to make himself completely silent, completely invisible, undetectable by NVG, HT, sonar, and more, atop his own stealth skill that is beyond the realm of what any human is capable of and all of which he can and will use as his MAIN tactic is stealth, and couple that with him knowing the field of vision Johnny has at all times due to soliton, even if you removed all of that equipment, he'd STILL be undetectable because he'd always know where Johnny is looking.
If it's a stomp, I don't quite care, but unless Johnny can somehow convince Big Boss to throw hands or incite him to fight directly, he absolutely won't be getting touched by anything, and BB isn't one to fight directly unless he has personal beef with you like Python, Volgin, The Boss, etc.



Assuming Big Boss doesn't have an EMP up, fried that device with one of his dozen EMP-esque items, or literally just killed Johnny dead instantly before he could do so, possibly even shooting him such places that would render him paralyzed like in the back. Or with the dozen means of sleep gas he has, a lot of which has AOE.



Johnny's invisibility is useless, BB has several radars that will tell him exactly where he is at all times, hell these things even work on invisible ghosts. Flight, not a issue, Big Boss is a crack shot, and that's assuming an EMP doesn't disable the flight entirely. Flight is at best a minor nuisance, and invisibility is a nonissue.



You'd be right, BB is a skill HTH god, And indeed, BB could resist the control of Gene, someone who could mindhax a whole peninsula, even telling dudes who were friends and allies to straight up kill each other, in which they do. BB is bordering on immune to Gene's shit, even with Gene hyperfocusing on BB, it does nothing but stagger BB for a half second before doing nothing.



BB can actually resist ghosts trying to posses him, but ignoring that, if Johnny and BB ever get in CQC/HTH, Johnny loses, BB will dismantle him so quickly in direct combat that Johnny would never even get the chance to use anything, and that's ignoring BB's CQC is literally designed to aid in incap and disarming foe's preventing them from retaliating back with weapons and items. Direct CQC isn't a benefit to Johnny, it's the worst possible situation, he'd be skill ****** into the ground so fast the match would be over in a second.

As mentioned, invisibility is useless against BB, plus, BB funnily enough ALSO has invisibility blankets, atop of normal invisibility devices.


It would be far less useful on BB, he can break free of paralysis extremely wuickly, such as against peace Walker's Paralysis Inducement, in which BB can break free in about half a second, he's also highly resistant to his own paralysis items, things that can incap normal dudes for days only effect him for a few seconds.
Also I could be wrong on this one, but iirc, he can break free from telekinetic paralysis in moments.

BB has Class M LS, BB won't be stuck to anything unless he wants to.

Unless he decides to. And actually, given the morality mention, it should be mentioned that BB could probably unironically talk Johnny into submission. Don't forget, BB has social influencing and has honed his skills in it over decades. He can convince enemies to stand down, but he's also done things like convincing Miller's squad made up of his friends and loyal allies to betray him and fight for BB with one quick talk each, dismantling their loyalty to him and making them his own allies. Hell, there's a good reason why BB has had his own military nation. Multiple times.
I wouldn't be surprised if BB could just convince Test to stand down and become his ally, and oddly enough, it's not totally out of character, BB actively goes out of his way to recruit his enemies, as mentioned in the Miller's squad example.

Big Boss' probably better ngl, toon force and elasticity would be helpful yeah so I'll hand ya that, but everything BB is gonna be doing isn't really gonna have those come into effect. And he has the AP advantage but it's useless, if they end up throwing hands, BB wins, every time, he humiliates Johnny through skill alone and BB is no stranger to doing CQC against foes with an AP advantage over him, and still skill ******* them into the dirt. Not withstanding BB's traps, AOE's and more work regardless of durability and bullets and more perforate, mitigating durability via piercing.



Easy. The less of the two, Analytical prediction, keeping tabs on the initial one, using one of like a dozen methods of sensing he has. But more importantly, BB can even tag foes, marking them, allowing him to keep track of their position at all times even among groups, he used this a lot in his later years, along with his Phantom who made ample use of this technique. BB will never lose track of Test, there's a literal mechanic that's justified in lore that disallows that. And this is a lead thing, he'd tag Test immediately, and from there, will be able to keep track of him among however many.

And that's just surface level stuff, I haven't even gone balls deep into what Big Boss can truly do, and I'm assuming he can't tag for missile strikes or markers from MB given I don't think calling in his personal chopper while it plays prog rock to carpet bomb Johnny is that fair.

I'm not reading this shit.

Bro made a whole entire book

 

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Ya'll ready for a wall of text.
To list just some of what Big Boss has.

Grenades.
1. Chaff Grenades, a grenade that spreads shit that disables and interferes will all electronic devices within like a 100m radius. If Johnny has ANYTHING that relies on electricity or is electronic and they don't resist EMP, they're disabled for quite awhile, this alone could ruin most of his chances at winning. Big Boss has dozens of these things, potentially infinite.
2. Phosphorous grenades, they explode and emit a burst of steam that burns at 2,800c, boiling the bodies of those it comes into contact with, blinding them (permanently in most cases), as well as asphyxiating and burning the lungs due to inhaling and more. If Johnny lacks heat res, this can easily incap not only him, but clones, or even lead to death due to lack of oxygen.
4. Flash Bangs, as it says, they emit a blinding flash and extremely high noise that stuns those in the vicinity, one of these and Johnny is gonna be, well, stunned as he lacks the needed res.
5. Sleep gas cigs, emits a sleeping gas, they they need to up up close, wouldn't help unless CQC.
6. EM Nets, as it says, basically just a trap that uses an electromagnetic net for incap and capture, can be used to restrain Johnny if lured, this shit can stop a tank dead, you'd need like Class K-M LS to get out.
7. Sleep grenades, as it says, a grenade that explodes into a burst of gas that puts those caught within it to sleep, one of these and Johnny and dupes will be taking a nap.
8. Fulton Mines, mines that when one gets to close, emit a burst of sleeping gas (so think sleep grenades, but in mine form) which then proceed to fulton the asleep dude and slap a fulton on them and launch them into the sky.
9. Actual sleep mines, emit sleep gas when one get's to close.
10. Just normal mines, no real hax, but still useful, multiple types, types that merely explode, types that launch shrapnel, etc.

Guns.
1. Hush Tranq Gun, as it says, one hit and Johnny is down for hours. It's also completely silent, BB can fire this bad boy as many times as he wants and never be found.
2. EZ Gun, a gun that doesn't harm, but heals. Aka, BB can heal himself with this.
3. Another EZ Gun, heals psyche.
4. Tanegashima, a gun that spawns a tornado, can mitigate flight advantage.
5. The Patriot, a high powered gun with infinite ammo.
6. Snipers, in general, numerous types, including both tranq snipers (so even a light graze will incap and put to sleep) or just high powered ones that can ohko. This is notable, because this is Big Boss, the dude who CAN and HAS spent weeks in sniping duels, if BB wanted to, he could just use his stealth, sneak away, and then snipe Johnny, and it would be oh so easy given he out stamina's him by a hilarious degree.
7. stealth Gun, those struck become invisible, see EZ gun for options.
8. Numerous rockets and missiles, including one's with large burst damage (good for taking out groups) and also ones that lock on and home in. This also kinda makes flight a nonissue, but can also take out groups and chase foes.
9. Also just about every type of gun you can imagine, assault, rifles, shotguns,
10. Sleep launchers, they shoot bursts of sleep gas.
11. Basically every gun he has comes in a silent version, so pinpointing BB off sound won't be viable.

HtH.
1. Stun Rod, emits 1.5 million volts for incap, though given Johnny's complete lack of res, this would probably be lethal.
2. Literally just extreme skill.

Various camo's and uniforms with special effects.
1. Spider, costs stamina, but makes BB effectively unperceivable in any environment, may as well be invisibility.
2. Spirit, makes BB completely silent, also allows him to drain the stamina of those he makes contact with.
3. SV, heat, water and shock res, silences footsteps, can't be detected by NVG.
4. Invisible camo, it makes him, well, invisible.
5. Battle armor, as it says, battle armor, boasts high durability.
6. idk he has a lot, I kinda said **** it.
iirc 5 needs to be equipped ahead of time tho.

Misc.
1. Analyzer, something most of you might have forgotten he has. This enables Big Boss to analyze a foe, reading their stats, some of the skills and more, what's this mean? It means he's probably gonna be able to figure out which Johnny is real, as well as figure out what he's good at, what he's bad at, and exploit all of it. This also works on vehicles and stuff too. Doesn't work on ghosts though.
2. Bandana. Grants Big Boss infinite ammunition. Completely unlimited, bullets, ammo, etc, this means BB will never need to worry about running out, if it comes to it, he will outlast Johnny, every time.
3. Nightvision.
4. Recovery box, heals while within.
5. Sonic Eye, allows BB to "see sound", think like a sonar, but he can physically see the location of sounds. Works through obstacles as well.
6. Stealth Mat, when immobile, renders them invisible.
7. Stealth Camo (Proto), makes BB optically invisible by refraction of light, though the proto is kinda ass, contact halts it.
8. Radar,
9. Soliton Radar, this tells big boss the exact position and even their range of perception in real time, this allows Big Boss to completely avoid detection as he'd know what his enemy can see, as well as the locations of his enemies and even the movement they're doing (Meaning he can also see Johnny's movements).
10. Meds, enables BB to heal from injuries to grievous to heal naturally or normally, like a broken leg. (BB actually has quite a bit of healing items and the like).
11. Int Scope, basically allows BB to hear things from hundreds of meters away, could be used to listen to what Johnny is saying, might lead to exploitation.
12. Actual stealth camo this time, makes BB invisible.

Shit Venom has but BB has by proxy pretty sure, think we had a CRT that any normal item or equipment developed by R&D BB would have too.
1. Giga sleep grenades, will for days.
2. Fom Decoy, gives false readings to enemy sensors.
3. LLG mine, sleep mine.
4. Electro net mine.
5. Literal ******* wormhole mine, dude has wormholes that cover thousands of kilometers.
6. A dark matter generator. Effectively spawns a pseudo black hole that sucks in light and of course, deals damage.
7. Another DMG but stun.
8. Bionic arm shit, which obviously BB lacks but still, can spawn 1.2 megavolt strikes to smite targets. Also sonic boom shit for incap or blowing out eardrums, you can probably ignore the bionic arm shit.
9. HAND OF JEHUTY, basically can fire wisp that go around the foe and teleport them into CQC.
10. Infinity Bandana 2.

Now that's all fine and dandy, but the worst part of all of this? BB doesn't even have to fight Johnny and that's where you misunderstand all of this. If BB wanted, and he very well could as it's in character, NOTHING is stopping him slipping away using his unreal stealth and his dozen or so items, weapons and more that makes him completely invisible, completely silent, and undetectable by a **** ton of various sensing, and then just take Johnny out from afar using snipers or something (And given BB can snipe duel for up to two weeks, and he trained the likes of Sniping Wolf who has week long sniping times too), he can and will outlast, though nothing is stopping him from just taking Johnny, out, what's Johnny gonna do? He can't sense him, he can't see him, he can't anything, he isn't gonna be able to react or dodge an attack coming from a mile away outside his view that's completely silent because BB has like a dozen silent weapons.
And that's just one option, what's stopping BB from just using his stealth and camo's to get up to Johnny into CQC and do a dozen things like BFR him to another continent with wormholes, fry him with 1.5 million volts on contact, drain his life force with the spirit camo, or just put him to sleep on contact.
And then there's the issue of BB not doing any of that, instead, laying traps like sleep mines, EM nets, flame grenades and more, and just waiting for Johnny to trip them, or luring him into the AOE of one to proc them, after all, BB DOES have decoys he can use to lure foes, what's stopping him from just laying sleep mines, EM nets, and bursts of steam and luring Johnny into them, having them put him to sleep and incap him, for him to finish the job.
This says nothing about CQC, Big Boss humiliates, no, this isn't up for debate. Even if Test has the stat advantage, BB would still stomp him in HTH, couple that with the fact BB actively uses weapons and the like in HTH as his fighting style is developed for that very action, he can easily couple it with his megavolt stuns or sleep hax.
And then when you factor in BB is capable of analyzing Johnny, his attributes, skills, weakness, and he can know the precise location of him, his movements, his perception, and more at all times, this not only makes BB slipping away even more laughably easy, but makes it so he can ensure Johnny will never find him again. And as mentioned, BB has multiple emp-esque devices, that alone could cripple, disable or even render a lot of Johnny's equipment dysfunctional, and these things have a huge AOE, probably close to 100m.

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Yes, it's Big Boss, he can, and he will, stay hidden, and has the means to do so. Game doesn't have the tagline "Tactile ESPIONAGE action" without good reason, in fact, the BB rank in most games is only given if you never get seen or detected even once to give you an indication.
Unless he is forced into a direct confrontation, he won't take it, and even then, he's well and fully capable of slipping away in the midst of combat, it's unironically one of his gimmicks.
And plain sight? BB can go invisible, of course, so can Johnny, but BB has the advantage of JT's invisibility literally not doing a thing to prevent BB from knowing his exact location, perception, and a dozen of other factors, while JT is gonna lose track of BB instantly.


Which he won't, BB has fought in gunfights with those who utterly eclipse Johnny in firearm's skill, if Johnny has a gun-like weapon, he will never land it, BB is capable of reading the muscles of his foe's, figuring out the movement's they're gonna take, and as such knowing their aim before they even take aim, and he's also adept at fighting those who can ricochet shots, such as Ocelot, Solid, and more. He's even fought genetically enhanced super soldiers like Gene who is literally psychic and has even fought ACTUAL psychics. And BB skillfucked all of them, to the point Gene is the first dude in the verse chronologically to make mention of BB having wack super genetics. And that's without getting into BB's perception manip thing, that heightens his reaction time, to where even bullets move in slow motion. His team developed drugs that force him into that state too, so take that as you will.

Easily, extremely easily, Johnny could be a mile away and moving, and BB himself could be moving, and BB would still be able to strike him between the eyes, hell even the old decrepit Snake could shoot a wire from a moving helicopter. BB is a superhuman in regards to firearm skill, and he's probably the best sniper to have ever existed, with his disciples like Sniper Wolf being revered as sniping gods, who can hit you dead from kilometers away and can even play the waiting game for weeks. he also defeated The End, the dude who invented basically all modern sniping techniques, and BB could potentially duel him for two weeks, so long that The End ends up dying of old age.
BB has also plenty of experience with flying opponents, whether that be fighting espers, to fighting and defeating ******* gundams that can fly. Plural, he's done it multiple times.



It'll happen in every scenario Big Boss wants it to happen to. Literal Stealth God, and has the means to make himself completely silent, completely invisible, undetectable by NVG, HT, sonar, and more, atop his own stealth skill that is beyond the realm of what any human is capable of and all of which he can and will use as his MAIN tactic is stealth, and couple that with him knowing the field of vision Johnny has at all times due to soliton, even if you removed all of that equipment, he'd STILL be undetectable because he'd always know where Johnny is looking.
If it's a stomp, I don't quite care, but unless Johnny can somehow convince Big Boss to throw hands or incite him to fight directly, he absolutely won't be getting touched by anything, and BB isn't one to fight directly unless he has personal beef with you like Python, Volgin, The Boss, etc.



Assuming Big Boss doesn't have an EMP up, fried that device with one of his dozen EMP-esque items, or literally just killed Johnny dead instantly before he could do so, possibly even shooting him such places that would render him paralyzed like in the back. Or with the dozen means of sleep gas he has, a lot of which has AOE.



Johnny's invisibility is useless, BB has several radars that will tell him exactly where he is at all times, hell these things even work on invisible ghosts. Flight, not a issue, Big Boss is a crack shot, and that's assuming an EMP doesn't disable the flight entirely. Flight is at best a minor nuisance, and invisibility is a nonissue.



You'd be right, BB is a skill HTH god, And indeed, BB could resist the control of Gene, someone who could mindhax a whole peninsula, even telling dudes who were friends and allies to straight up kill each other, in which they do. BB is bordering on immune to Gene's shit, even with Gene hyperfocusing on BB, it does nothing but stagger BB for a half second before doing nothing.



BB can actually resist ghosts trying to posses him, but ignoring that, if Johnny and BB ever get in CQC/HTH, Johnny loses, BB will dismantle him so quickly in direct combat that Johnny would never even get the chance to use anything, and that's ignoring BB's CQC is literally designed to aid in incap and disarming foe's preventing them from retaliating back with weapons and items. Direct CQC isn't a benefit to Johnny, it's the worst possible situation, he'd be skill ****** into the ground so fast the match would be over in a second.

As mentioned, invisibility is useless against BB, plus, BB funnily enough ALSO has invisibility blankets, atop of normal invisibility devices.


It would be far less useful on BB, he can break free of paralysis extremely wuickly, such as against peace Walker's Paralysis Inducement, in which BB can break free in about half a second, he's also highly resistant to his own paralysis items, things that can incap normal dudes for days only effect him for a few seconds.
Also I could be wrong on this one, but iirc, he can break free from telekinetic paralysis in moments.

BB has Class M LS, BB won't be stuck to anything unless he wants to.

Unless he decides to. And actually, given the morality mention, it should be mentioned that BB could probably unironically talk Johnny into submission. Don't forget, BB has social influencing and has honed his skills in it over decades. He can convince enemies to stand down, but he's also done things like convincing Miller's squad made up of his friends and loyal allies to betray him and fight for BB with one quick talk each, dismantling their loyalty to him and making them his own allies. Hell, there's a good reason why BB has had his own military nation. Multiple times.
I wouldn't be surprised if BB could just convince Test to stand down and become his ally, and oddly enough, it's not totally out of character, BB actively goes out of his way to recruit his enemies, as mentioned in the Miller's squad example.

Big Boss' probably better ngl, toon force and elasticity would be helpful yeah so I'll hand ya that, but everything BB is gonna be doing isn't really gonna have those come into effect. And he has the AP advantage but it's useless, if they end up throwing hands, BB wins, every time, he humiliates Johnny through skill alone and BB is no stranger to doing CQC against foes with an AP advantage over him, and still skill ******* them into the dirt. Not withstanding BB's traps, AOE's and more work regardless of durability and bullets and more perforate, mitigating durability via piercing.



Easy. The less of the two, Analytical prediction, keeping tabs on the initial one, using one of like a dozen methods of sensing he has. But more importantly, BB can even tag foes, marking them, allowing him to keep track of their position at all times even among groups, he used this a lot in his later years, along with his Phantom who made ample use of this technique. BB will never lose track of Test, there's a literal mechanic that's justified in lore that disallows that. And this is a lead thing, he'd tag Test immediately, and from there, will be able to keep track of him among however many.

And that's just surface level stuff, I haven't even gone balls deep into what Big Boss can truly do, and I'm assuming he can't tag for missile strikes or markers from MB given I don't think calling in his personal chopper while it plays prog rock to carpet bomb Johnny is that fair.

You saved BB's ass and my ass

 

[DemonicDude]

Updated Battle Rules:

Wait Snake or Johnny both won't Awake them ?

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

I've only read upto the HTH

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Ya'll ready for a wall of text.
To list just some of what Big Boss has.

Grenades.
1. Chaff Grenades, a grenade that spreads shit that disables and interferes will all electronic devices within like a 100m radius. If Johnny has ANYTHING that relies on electricity or is electronic and they don't resist EMP, they're disabled for quite awhile, this alone could ruin most of his chances at winning. Big Boss has dozens of these things, potentially infinite.
2. Phosphorous grenades, they explode and emit a burst of steam that burns at 2,800c, boiling the bodies of those it comes into contact with, blinding them (permanently in most cases), as well as asphyxiating and burning the lungs due to inhaling and more. If Johnny lacks heat res, this can easily incap not only him, but clones, or even lead to death due to lack of oxygen.
4. Flash Bangs, as it says, they emit a blinding flash and extremely high noise that stuns those in the vicinity, one of these and Johnny is gonna be, well, stunned as he lacks the needed res.
5. Sleep gas cigs, emits a sleeping gas, they they need to up up close, wouldn't help unless CQC.
6. EM Nets, as it says, basically just a trap that uses an electromagnetic net for incap and capture, can be used to restrain Johnny if lured, this shit can stop a tank dead, you'd need like Class K-M LS to get out.
7. Sleep grenades, as it says, a grenade that explodes into a burst of gas that puts those caught within it to sleep, one of these and Johnny and dupes will be taking a nap.
8. Fulton Mines, mines that when one gets to close, emit a burst of sleeping gas (so think sleep grenades, but in mine form) which then proceed to fulton the asleep dude and slap a fulton on them and launch them into the sky.
9. Actual sleep mines, emit sleep gas when one get's to close.
10. Just normal mines, no real hax, but still useful, multiple types, types that merely explode, types that launch shrapnel, etc.

Guns.
1. Hush Tranq Gun, as it says, one hit and Johnny is down for hours. It's also completely silent, BB can fire this bad boy as many times as he wants and never be found.
2. EZ Gun, a gun that doesn't harm, but heals. Aka, BB can heal himself with this.
3. Another EZ Gun, heals psyche.
4. Tanegashima, a gun that spawns a tornado, can mitigate flight advantage.
5. The Patriot, a high powered gun with infinite ammo.
6. Snipers, in general, numerous types, including both tranq snipers (so even a light graze will incap and put to sleep) or just high powered ones that can ohko. This is notable, because this is Big Boss, the dude who CAN and HAS spent weeks in sniping duels, if BB wanted to, he could just use his stealth, sneak away, and then snipe Johnny, and it would be oh so easy given he out stamina's him by a hilarious degree.
7. stealth Gun, those struck become invisible, see EZ gun for options.
8. Numerous rockets and missiles, including one's with large burst damage (good for taking out groups) and also ones that lock on and home in. This also kinda makes flight a nonissue, but can also take out groups and chase foes.
9. Also just about every type of gun you can imagine, assault, rifles, shotguns,
10. Sleep launchers, they shoot bursts of sleep gas.
11. Basically every gun he has comes in a silent version, so pinpointing BB off sound won't be viable.

HtH.
1. Stun Rod, emits 1.5 million volts for incap, though given Johnny's complete lack of res, this would probably be lethal.
2. Literally just extreme skill.

Various camo's and uniforms with special effects.
1. Spider, costs stamina, but makes BB effectively unperceivable in any environment, may as well be invisibility.
2. Spirit, makes BB completely silent, also allows him to drain the stamina of those he makes contact with.
3. SV, heat, water and shock res, silences footsteps, can't be detected by NVG.
4. Invisible camo, it makes him, well, invisible.
5. Battle armor, as it says, battle armor, boasts high durability.
6. idk he has a lot, I kinda said **** it.
iirc 5 needs to be equipped ahead of time tho.

Misc.
1. Analyzer, something most of you might have forgotten he has. This enables Big Boss to analyze a foe, reading their stats, some of the skills and more, what's this mean? It means he's probably gonna be able to figure out which Johnny is real, as well as figure out what he's good at, what he's bad at, and exploit all of it. This also works on vehicles and stuff too. Doesn't work on ghosts though.
2. Bandana. Grants Big Boss infinite ammunition. Completely unlimited, bullets, ammo, etc, this means BB will never need to worry about running out, if it comes to it, he will outlast Johnny, every time.
3. Nightvision.
4. Recovery box, heals while within.
5. Sonic Eye, allows BB to "see sound", think like a sonar, but he can physically see the location of sounds. Works through obstacles as well.
6. Stealth Mat, when immobile, renders them invisible.
7. Stealth Camo (Proto), makes BB optically invisible by refraction of light, though the proto is kinda ass, contact halts it.
8. Radar,
9. Soliton Radar, this tells big boss the exact position and even their range of perception in real time, this allows Big Boss to completely avoid detection as he'd know what his enemy can see, as well as the locations of his enemies and even the movement they're doing (Meaning he can also see Johnny's movements).
10. Meds, enables BB to heal from injuries to grievous to heal naturally or normally, like a broken leg. (BB actually has quite a bit of healing items and the like).
11. Int Scope, basically allows BB to hear things from hundreds of meters away, could be used to listen to what Johnny is saying, might lead to exploitation.
12. Actual stealth camo this time, makes BB invisible.

Shit Venom has but BB has by proxy pretty sure, think we had a CRT that any normal item or equipment developed by R&D BB would have too.
1. Giga sleep grenades, will for days.
2. Fom Decoy, gives false readings to enemy sensors.
3. LLG mine, sleep mine.
4. Electro net mine.
5. Literal ******* wormhole mine, dude has wormholes that cover thousands of kilometers.
6. A dark matter generator. Effectively spawns a pseudo black hole that sucks in light and of course, deals damage.
7. Another DMG but stun.
8. Bionic arm shit, which obviously BB lacks but still, can spawn 1.2 megavolt strikes to smite targets. Also sonic boom shit for incap or blowing out eardrums, you can probably ignore the bionic arm shit.
9. HAND OF JEHUTY, basically can fire wisp that go around the foe and teleport them into CQC.
10. Infinity Bandana 2.

Now that's all fine and dandy, but the worst part of all of this? BB doesn't even have to fight Johnny and that's where you misunderstand all of this. If BB wanted, and he very well could as it's in character, NOTHING is stopping him slipping away using his unreal stealth and his dozen or so items, weapons and more that makes him completely invisible, completely silent, and undetectable by a **** ton of various sensing, and then just take Johnny out from afar using snipers or something (And given BB can snipe duel for up to two weeks, and he trained the likes of Sniping Wolf who has week long sniping times too), he can and will outlast, though nothing is stopping him from just taking Johnny, out, what's Johnny gonna do? He can't sense him, he can't see him, he can't anything, he isn't gonna be able to react or dodge an attack coming from a mile away outside his view that's completely silent because BB has like a dozen silent weapons.
And that's just one option, what's stopping BB from just using his stealth and camo's to get up to Johnny into CQC and do a dozen things like BFR him to another continent with wormholes, fry him with 1.5 million volts on contact, drain his life force with the spirit camo, or just put him to sleep on contact.
And then there's the issue of BB not doing any of that, instead, laying traps like sleep mines, EM nets, flame grenades and more, and just waiting for Johnny to trip them, or luring him into the AOE of one to proc them, after all, BB DOES have decoys he can use to lure foes, what's stopping him from just laying sleep mines, EM nets, and bursts of steam and luring Johnny into them, having them put him to sleep and incap him, for him to finish the job.
This says nothing about CQC, Big Boss humiliates, no, this isn't up for debate. Even if Test has the stat advantage, BB would still stomp him in HTH, couple that with the fact BB actively uses weapons and the like in HTH as his fighting style is developed for that very action, he can easily couple it with his megavolt stuns or sleep hax.
And then when you factor in BB is capable of analyzing Johnny, his attributes, skills, weakness, and he can know the precise location of him, his movements, his perception, and more at all times, this not only makes BB slipping away even more laughably easy, but makes it so he can ensure Johnny will never find him again. And as mentioned, BB has multiple emp-esque devices, that alone could cripple, disable or even render a lot of Johnny's equipment dysfunctional, and these things have a huge AOE, probably close to 100m.

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Yes, it's Big Boss, he can, and he will, stay hidden, and has the means to do so. Game doesn't have the tagline "Tactile ESPIONAGE action" without good reason, in fact, the BB rank in most games is only given if you never get seen or detected even once to give you an indication.
Unless he is forced into a direct confrontation, he won't take it, and even then, he's well and fully capable of slipping away in the midst of combat, it's unironically one of his gimmicks.
And plain sight? BB can go invisible, of course, so can Johnny, but BB has the advantage of JT's invisibility literally not doing a thing to prevent BB from knowing his exact location, perception, and a dozen of other factors, while JT is gonna lose track of BB instantly.


Which he won't, BB has fought in gunfights with those who utterly eclipse Johnny in firearm's skill, if Johnny has a gun-like weapon, he will never land it, BB is capable of reading the muscles of his foe's, figuring out the movement's they're gonna take, and as such knowing their aim before they even take aim, and he's also adept at fighting those who can ricochet shots, such as Ocelot, Solid, and more. He's even fought genetically enhanced super soldiers like Gene who is literally psychic and has even fought ACTUAL psychics. And BB skillfucked all of them, to the point Gene is the first dude in the verse chronologically to make mention of BB having wack super genetics. And that's without getting into BB's perception manip thing, that heightens his reaction time, to where even bullets move in slow motion. His team developed drugs that force him into that state too, so take that as you will.

Easily, extremely easily, Johnny could be a mile away and moving, and BB himself could be moving, and BB would still be able to strike him between the eyes, hell even the old decrepit Snake could shoot a wire from a moving helicopter. BB is a superhuman in regards to firearm skill, and he's probably the best sniper to have ever existed, with his disciples like Sniper Wolf being revered as sniping gods, who can hit you dead from kilometers away and can even play the waiting game for weeks. he also defeated The End, the dude who invented basically all modern sniping techniques, and BB could potentially duel him for two weeks, so long that The End ends up dying of old age.
BB has also plenty of experience with flying opponents, whether that be fighting espers, to fighting and defeating ******* gundams that can fly. Plural, he's done it multiple times.



It'll happen in every scenario Big Boss wants it to happen to. Literal Stealth God, and has the means to make himself completely silent, completely invisible, undetectable by NVG, HT, sonar, and more, atop his own stealth skill that is beyond the realm of what any human is capable of and all of which he can and will use as his MAIN tactic is stealth, and couple that with him knowing the field of vision Johnny has at all times due to soliton, even if you removed all of that equipment, he'd STILL be undetectable because he'd always know where Johnny is looking.
If it's a stomp, I don't quite care, but unless Johnny can somehow convince Big Boss to throw hands or incite him to fight directly, he absolutely won't be getting touched by anything, and BB isn't one to fight directly unless he has personal beef with you like Python, Volgin, The Boss, etc.



Assuming Big Boss doesn't have an EMP up, fried that device with one of his dozen EMP-esque items, or literally just killed Johnny dead instantly before he could do so, possibly even shooting him such places that would render him paralyzed like in the back. Or with the dozen means of sleep gas he has, a lot of which has AOE.



Johnny's invisibility is useless, BB has several radars that will tell him exactly where he is at all times, hell these things even work on invisible ghosts. Flight, not a issue, Big Boss is a crack shot, and that's assuming an EMP doesn't disable the flight entirely. Flight is at best a minor nuisance, and invisibility is a nonissue.



You'd be right, BB is a skill HTH god, And indeed, BB could resist the control of Gene, someone who could mindhax a whole peninsula, even telling dudes who were friends and allies to straight up kill each other, in which they do. BB is bordering on immune to Gene's shit, even with Gene hyperfocusing on BB, it does nothing but stagger BB for a half second before doing nothing.



BB can actually resist ghosts trying to posses him, but ignoring that, if Johnny and BB ever get in CQC/HTH, Johnny loses, BB will dismantle him so quickly in direct combat that Johnny would never even get the chance to use anything, and that's ignoring BB's CQC is literally designed to aid in incap and disarming foe's preventing them from retaliating back with weapons and items. Direct CQC isn't a benefit to Johnny, it's the worst possible situation, he'd be skill ****** into the ground so fast the match would be over in a second.

As mentioned, invisibility is useless against BB, plus, BB funnily enough ALSO has invisibility blankets, atop of normal invisibility devices.


It would be far less useful on BB, he can break free of paralysis extremely wuickly, such as against peace Walker's Paralysis Inducement, in which BB can break free in about half a second, he's also highly resistant to his own paralysis items, things that can incap normal dudes for days only effect him for a few seconds.
Also I could be wrong on this one, but iirc, he can break free from telekinetic paralysis in moments.

BB has Class M LS, BB won't be stuck to anything unless he wants to.

Unless he decides to. And actually, given the morality mention, it should be mentioned that BB could probably unironically talk Johnny into submission. Don't forget, BB has social influencing and has honed his skills in it over decades. He can convince enemies to stand down, but he's also done things like convincing Miller's squad made up of his friends and loyal allies to betray him and fight for BB with one quick talk each, dismantling their loyalty to him and making them his own allies. Hell, there's a good reason why BB has had his own military nation. Multiple times.
I wouldn't be surprised if BB could just convince Test to stand down and become his ally, and oddly enough, it's not totally out of character, BB actively goes out of his way to recruit his enemies, as mentioned in the Miller's squad example.

Big Boss' probably better ngl, toon force and elasticity would be helpful yeah so I'll hand ya that, but everything BB is gonna be doing isn't really gonna have those come into effect. And he has the AP advantage but it's useless, if they end up throwing hands, BB wins, every time, he humiliates Johnny through skill alone and BB is no stranger to doing CQC against foes with an AP advantage over him, and still skill ******* them into the dirt. Not withstanding BB's traps, AOE's and more work regardless of durability and bullets and more perforate, mitigating durability via piercing.



Easy. The less of the two, Analytical prediction, keeping tabs on the initial one, using one of like a dozen methods of sensing he has. But more importantly, BB can even tag foes, marking them, allowing him to keep track of their position at all times even among groups, he used this a lot in his later years, along with his Phantom who made ample use of this technique. BB will never lose track of Test, there's a literal mechanic that's justified in lore that disallows that. And this is a lead thing, he'd tag Test immediately, and from there, will be able to keep track of him among however many.

And that's just surface level stuff, I haven't even gone balls deep into what Big Boss can truly do, and I'm assuming he can't tag for missile strikes or markers from MB given I don't think calling in his personal chopper while it plays prog rock to carpet bomb Johnny is that fair.

If BB has this much, then can Johnny get the rest of his equipment?

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Wait Snake or Johnny both won't Awake them ?

Random kinda addressed it above see the comment where he replies to baken about johnny's equipment

 

[Chariot190]

If BB has this much, then can Johnny get the rest of his equipment?

Only if BB gets all his equipment. Only fair right?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Only if BB gets all his equipment. Only fair right?

What kinda bullshit does BB have?

I can't read that essay you made.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Only if BB gets all his equipment. Only fair right?

Wait the things you have mentioned isn't that all of his equipment? or are there more that i don't know about?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Wait the things you have mentioned isn't that all of his equipment? or are there more that i don't know about?

If that's all he has, then Johnny legit needs all of his equipment (besides his Bionic Arm and Portable Black Hole).

 

[RandomGuy2345]

All I wanted was a tournament win (because I was screwed out of the last one), and then this happens.

I just can't win, huh?

 

[speedster352]

If that's all he has, then Johnny legit needs all of his equipment (besides his Bionic Arm and Portable Black Hole).

I agree at least give him his time stop watch

 

[speedster352]

All I wanted was a tournament win (because I was screwed out of the last one), and then this happens.

I just can't win, huh?

Don’t give up we can win this

 

[DemonicDude]

All I wanted was a tournament win (because I was screwed out of the last one), and then this happens.

I just can't win, huh?

Only one shotting hax is not allowed why is time manip an issue ?
Didn't in my High 6-C tournament Durendal used Time skip/Erase ? I'm not against it.

 

[Chariot190]

Wait the things you have mentioned isn't that all of his equipment? or are there more that i don't know about?

The dude has literally had 3 different Metal Gears at different points in time for starters.
But hell yeah, he has 8-A weaponry too, personal choppers, summoning of allies, and a lot of of what he has is BFR, which unfortunately is hard banned.
Imagine if you would, a trap that when tripped, BFR's Johnny to Africa because teleporters exist in MGS I guess. He also has some suits that I'd assume be banned like the Parasite suits.

besides his Bionic Arm and Portable Black Hole.

Big Boss funnily enough has access to those.

If that's all he has, then Johnny legit needs all of his equipment (besides his Bionic Arm and Portable Black Hole).

Why? Most of what I listed off is pretty basic stuff, some emps, sleep aoe, infinite ammo, etc. The real issue Johnny needs to get by is the fact he's fighting a dude who if he wants, at a drop of the hat, can completely **** off and never be found again while he can choose a dozen ways to pick his foe off while having a bunch of sensing equipment to know what Johnny is doing at all times.

 

[speedster352]

Alright so Johnny stops time the moment he sees snake and that’s a gg. Can Johnny shrink the island?

All I wanted was a tournament win (because I was screwed out of the last one), and then this happens.

I just can't win, huh?

 

[Chariot190]

Only one shotting hax is not allowed why is time manip an issue ?

w̵h̵y̵'̵s̵ ̵B̵F̵R̵ ̵b̵a̵n̵n̵e̵d̵ ̵t̵h̵e̵n̵ ̵

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Can Johnny shrink the island?

**** no he can't.

 

[Chariot190]

Alright so Johnny stops time the moment he sees snake and that’s a gg. Can Johnny shrink the island?

Prove it's in character as an immediate lead.
Because if it's not, it's going to be useless, what's the use of time stop if the dude you wanna use it against is never going to be found again? Even in stopped time, it's not like BB's cloaking devices won't still be up.

 

[DemonicDude]

So far Snake FRA.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Only one shotting hax is not allowed why is time manip an issue ?
Didn't in my High 6-C tournament Durendal used Time skip/Erase ? I'm not against it.

Then why did I remove Time Stop in the first place?

Can I have it back then?

But hell yeah, he has 8-A weaponry too, personal choppers, summoning of allies, and a lot of of what he has is BFR, which unfortunately is hard banned.
Imagine if you would, a trap that when tripped, BFR's Johnny to Africa because teleporters exist in MGS I guess. He also has some suits that I'd assume be banned like the Parasite suits.

All of this shit is removed, right?

Why? Most of what I listed off is pretty basic stuff, some emps, sleep aoe, infinite ammo, etc. The real issue Johnny needs to get by is the fact he's fighting a dude who if he wants, at a drop of the hat, can completely **** off and never be found again while he can choose a dozen ways to pick his foe off while having a bunch of sensing equipment to know what Johnny is doing at all times.

Exactly. Johnny can hit targets as small as water balloons while blind (which I haven't seen a debunk for yet), but other than that, the legit only way Johnny can have a advantage here is if he stopped time and found a way to find BB.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Prove it's in character as an immediate lead.
Because if it's not, it's going to be useless, what's the use of time stop if the dude you wanna use it against is never going to be found again? Even in stopped time, it's not like BB's cloaking devices won't still be up.

If Johnny can't find him at all, then why wouldn't he stop time and search for him then?

 

[Chariot190]

I do want to point out, if everything possible is free game besides one shot hax.
There's a lot more stuff to list for BB, some of his suits can be broken as all hell, also has some exotic hax.

All of this shit is removed, right?

I'm assuming 8-A stuff is by default, but if everything is free game, I dont see why the rest would be.

Exactly. Johnny can hit targets as small as water balloons while blind (which I haven't seen a debunk for yet), but other than that, the legit only way Johnny can have a advantage here is if he stopped time and found a way to find BB.

Lad, Big Boss outskills a dude who outskills Skulls who can hit a balloon from a mile while moving.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

I'm gonna go Snake for Chariot's essay reasons

Edit: Man this why i love MG their ******* skills and *****

 

[Chariot190]

If Johnny can't find him at all, then why wouldn't he stop time and search for him then?

Because he still wouldn't find him?
Test stopping time isn't going to make him not invisible, while blending into the environment, to where even if you touch him, you'd just think it's like a tree or something.
The only time BB's been canonically found in a normal situation is when Volgin could deduce BB wasn't Raikovich when he grabbed his **** as BB's dick was to big.

 

[DemonicDude]

You are 5000 meters high fighting each other on a floating island chances are with those sloppy bridges you can fell into the Atlantic Ocean which in itself is a BFR.
Unless you can fly out of it.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Lad, Big Boss outskills a dude who outskills Skulls who can hit a balloon from a mile while moving.

I'm not specifically talking about who can outskill who, I'm just saying that it's possible that Johnny can track BB due to that feat I linked.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Because he still wouldn't find him?
Test stopping time isn't going to make him not invisible, while blending into the environment, to where even if you touch him, you'd just think it's like a tree or something.

??? If Johnny touches something that's literally invisible, why would he think it's a tree? He would obviously it'd be BB, as trees aren't invisible.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Plus, what can BB do about Johnny's Flight via his Turbo Action Backpack?

 

[DemonicDude]

Plus, what can BB do about Johnny's Flight via his Turbo Action Backpack?

Extreme precision sniping

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Extreme precision sniping

Fair, but can't Johnny just... dodge it?

 

[Chariot190]

You are 5000 meters high fighting each other on a floating island chances are with those sloppy bridges you can fell into the Atlantic Ocean which in itself is a BFR.
Unless you can fly out of it.

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??? If Johnny touches something that's literally invisible, why would he think it's a tree? He would obviously it'd be BB, as trees aren't invisible.

Why wouldn't BB be hiding? Literal god of stealth, he's not gonna be hiding in plain view, he'd probably be buried, or if he's in the wilderness and not out in the open, swap the invisible camo for the Spider camo which makes him imperceptible from things like trees and the like. He has numerous stealth options for varying situations. Invisible is good in plain view, he has others that would avoid the circumstances you describing. Only way that would happen is if BB was invisible and in like a open area, something he actively avoids (that being in the open).
Also, why would Johnny time stop and start looking? For all Johnny knows BB teleported away or something else.
Plus, again, how quick is time stop even gonna come out? Unless it's a lead it's probably not gonna be all that helpful before he's taken out.

 

[speedster352]

Extreme precision sniping

But Johnny can clone himself and make himself invisible.

Fair, but can't Johnny just... dodge it?

Exactly quick we need counters

 

[Chariot190]

Fair, but can't Johnny just... dodge it?

He'd have to know it's coming, also EMP's, homing rockets and missiles, etc and having ample experience with fliers, BB has even taken out flying mecha that eclipse him in stats and range.

 

[Chariot190]

But Johnny can clone himself and make himself invisible.

So? BB has the mark ability, this allows him to tag a foe and keep track of them at all times, through obstacles and through crowds. If Test clones himself, he's still gonna know which one is the original as they'd be tagged, and this is something BB does immediately on visual contact. He also has the analyzer.
Invisibility is useless, BB has like a dozen ways to counter that completely.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Damn.

Well... what about Johnny's Body Control?

He can use it to avoid headshots, and he can use it to hide in extremely small spots, such as a vacuum cleaner.

What if he used that along with invisibility?

 

[speedster352]

So? BB has the mark ability, this allows him to tag a foe and keep track of them at all times, through obstacles and through crowds. If Test clones himself, he's still gonna know which one is the original as they'd be tagged, and this is something BB does immediately on visual contact. He also has the analyzer.
Invisibility is useless, BB has like a dozen ways to counter that completely.

Test will just stop time when the projectile is about to hit and find snakes location that way and Johnny has hammerspace and toon force and broadway manipulation to force snake out and dnace