Tier 0 Key For Thor ?

[LordWhis]

During his fight with Glory in Chaos War: Thor #2, Thor temporarily wielded TOAA's power. He should get a Tier 0 Key For this.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

>Tier 0 key for Thor

>not in the Fun & Games forum

 

[LordWhis]

Did you even read the OP ?

 

[TheSandman31]

According to that scan, not just Thor but everyone contains the power of TOAA. All Marvel character is Tier 0 confirmed

 

[TheSandman31]

I don't think that counts though, looks more like hes just praying

 

[LordWhis]

Yes, but Thor was only able to draw on TOAA's power because TOAA let him, TOAA doesn't normally let people draw on his power, so not every marvel character is Tier 0.

 

[TheSandman31]

You cant have two tier 0 in the same verse

Also, that kind of stuff is common in fiction

Thanos isn't tier 0 because he wielded the HOTU

 

[LordWhis]

I don't think that counts though, looks more like hes just praying

He did pray to TOAA for help & TOAA gave him his power temporarily, allowing him to defeat Glory.

 

[Crzer07]

Thor solos now


Family Guy - Ostrich Laugh

 

[LordWhis]

You cant have two tier 0 in the same verse

Also, that kind of stuff is common in fiction

Thanos isn't tier 0 because he wielded the HOTU

It's still TOAA's power but acting through Thor.

 

[TheSandman31]

I don't think that counts though, looks more like hes just praying

He did pray to TOAA for help & TOAA gave him his power temporarily, allowing him to defeat Glory.

It's possible that TOAA did grant him some power, but can you prove that he gave Thor his entire power?

 

[LordWhis]

"A piece-- that contains the whole" "Carry His power within us" "That power answered"

 

[TheSandman31]

Then if its still TOAA's power then Thor shouldn't be given a tier 0 key as it is redundant

Also, looking at that scan it doesn't even look like he completely killed Glory, you would think a tier 0 would have at least manage to kill some dude weaker than abstracts

 

[TheSandman31]

"A piece-- that contains the whole"
"Carry His power within us" "That power answered"

then its back to every Marvel character is tier 0

If everyone contains the entire power of TOAA within themselves then TOAA shouldn't have needed to give Thanos the Heart of the Universe

 

[LordWhis]

He wasn't trying to kill Glory he was just banishing him from Earth.

TOAA just gave Thor his power to protect/save himself, not to kill people with it.

I don't think it'll be redundant.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

First of all, if he did gain all of the power of The-One-Above-All, that would just mean that The-One-Above-All is only High 1-A. Second of all, that could be referring to another god, like Yahweh.

 

[LordWhis]

@Hadou:

We use that scan in TOAA's page.

 

[LordWhis]

then its back to every Marvel character is tier 0

If everyone contains the entire power of TOAA within themselves then TOAA shouldn't have needed to give Thanos the Heart of the Universe

Yes but they can't use that power until TOAA lets them, therefore they are not Tier 0.

HOTU story isn't Canon.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

They can't be tier 0 at all. If anyone is capable of tapping into literally all of the power of The-One-Above-All, then he's just not tier 0 himself.

 

[Kaltias]

Being granted power from someone =/= being as strong.

Otherwise we'd have High 1-B Horus Lupercal and tier 0 Tenchi Masaki

 

[LordWhis]

@Hadou: Um, you do realize that TOAA as a Tier 0 is omnipotent right. He can literally do anything he wants to, including giving someone else Omnipotence by allowing them to tap into his power.

 

[LordWhis]

Being granted power from someone =/= being as strong.

Otherwise we'd have High 1-B Horus Lupercal and tier 0 Tenchi Masaki

Tenchi is Tier 0.

Also, TOAA gave Thor his entire power.

Also, don't equate 1-Bs with 0s.

 

[TheSandman31]

Then that character will also become omnipotent

now we have to omnipotent in the same verse

Two characters in the same verse who is above everything.But you cant have that, either both of them are just High 1-A or maybe even just 1-A or you know maybe Thor isn't a tier 0 just because of that vague statement not backed by any feats

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

^ This.

 

[TheSandman31]

Tenchi Masaki isnt tier 0, Kami Tenechi is

 

[LordWhis]

Tenchi Masaki isnt tier 0, Kami Tenechi is

They are kind of the same person.

Again TOAA was acting through Thor.

For those few seconds, Thor & TOAA were a single Tier 0 character.

 

[Kaltias]

Then it's moot because the one with tier 0 power is TOAA anyway

 

[Xantospoc]

... how funny, Thor was given a literal Deus ex Machina lol.

This said, I disagree. It was basically just enough to push Glory back, not enough to like, defeat the Chaos King. I oppose this upgrade

 

[TheSandman31]

Then why does Thor needs a tier 0 key? it would just create confusion

TOAA didn't make thor his equal or him is power, its still TOAA's power not Thor.

We don't give The Specter a tier 1 tier because The Presence sometimes acts through him

Again, it's redundant and shouldnt be added even if its legit

 

[LordWhis]

I really don't think it's redundant.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

.... Hmm. I agree with the general consensus. Albeit, the problem is... Everyone has this power in Marvel essentially. Secondly, he should be given the tier Glory has, not the TOAA's tier for very obvious reasons

So... How powerful was Glory ?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

If Thor lost his tier 0 power, he can't be considered tier 0 at all, because a tier 0 cannot lose their power.

 

[LordWhis]

.... Hmm. I agree with the general consensus. Albeit, the problem is... Everyone has this power in Marvel essentially. Secondly, he should be given the tier Glory has, not the TOAA's tier for very obvious reasons

So... How powerful was Glory ?

Hard to say, perhaps as High as High 1-B.

He was definitely WAY stronger than Odin.

 

[LordWhis]

If Thor lost his tier 0 power, he can't be considered tier 0 at all, because a tier 0 cannot lose their power.

Thor & TOAA merged to become Tier 0.

@everyone:

Also, aren't we arguing the semantics a bit too much, It was stated that he had all of TOAA's power therefore he was Tier 0. If the person who was writing the comic doesn't understand some of the repercussions of that, that doesn't detract from it. Marvel is illogical sometimes.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

At best that would make Thor High 1-A, and at worst that would make The-One-Above-All High 1-A.

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Which is negated by the fact that this is completely redundant. Why would we even need Tier 0 Thor? they can't even be used for debates.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

... Thor and TOAA merged...

Where exactly did... This take place ? This sounds more ridiculous than that WoG statement that implies PR Franklin Richards is above Overmonitor .

 

[LordWhis]

On Vs battles wikia our goal is to catalogue every single version of a character & their power so that people can understand it by visiting the wikia. If Thor was Tier 0 in 1 version that should be catalogued.

 

[LordWhis]

At best that would make Thor High 1-A, and at worst that would make The-One-Above-All High 1-A.

You're looking too much into semantics here, the writer's intention was clearly for Thor to temporarily become a Tier 0, the writer isn't a Vs battles or superpowers wikia user, he probably didn't understand the exact metaphysics of all of this.

 

[LordWhis]

... Thor and TOAA merged...

Where exactly did... This take place ? This sounds more ridiculous than that WoG statement that implies PR Franklin Richards is above Overmonitor .

When was Franklin ever retconned ?